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Mymla posted:Remove all healing, give supports other abilities to compensate, remove mercy, rework reinhardt and remove his shield, or just heavily nerf his shield, and overwatch will be a much better game to both watch and play. I don't think I want to play your overwatch
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Cowcaster posted:is there no healing in dota is that why everyone's out for removing it from the game to make it more engaging all of a sudden There's no healing in csgo, which is a much better game to compare overwatch to.
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Cowcaster posted:is there no healing in dota is that why everyone's out for removing it from the game to make it more engaging all of a sudden No, there's plenty of healing in Dota. Some heroes have healing as an ancillary effect, some are just straight up designed to bomb heals into people. There's one hero who is a tiny skeleton who literally vomits health into people, from his jawless skeleton mouth. He's great.
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Efexeye posted:i bully the poo poo out of people (mainly Reinhardts and DVas) with Lucio with the doot on the cart and on points with chasms, you don't have to pay him passively. you should also be using the speed boost to keep everybody close to the front lines whenever no one needs heals I mean I might not be up on the nuances of speed boost versus heal boost but I know for a fact that the most effective lucio is one who makes sure his auras are hitting everyone on his team and spending his time not getting picked off if you're diving in with fartbombs and wall skating so no one can hit you and doing awesome that's not because lucio is good at doing other things besides being a support that's because you're playing against really crummy people or with extremely good people
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playing lucio involves a lot of managing your aura and trying not to die. you can do some fun stuff with him (you'd be surprised at what you can do with the wall riding if you can get good at it), but lucio's not your guy if you want a mechanically challenging hero
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on the wallriding specifically I do think it's one of those things that's heavily influenced by whether you're playing on a console or pc because while there's some specific places you can get really erratic patterns going (like the pole dancing point on lijang tower, or on any payload) some people act like if you're wallriding you somehow become an impossible to hit target and I can only imagine that being the case if you're aiming with a thumbstick
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Mymla posted:There's no healing in csgo, which is a much better game to compare overwatch to. Nnnnnot really?
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Cowcaster posted:on the wallriding specifically I do think it's one of those things that's heavily influenced by whether you're playing on a console or pc because while there's some specific places you can get really erratic patterns going (like the pole dancing point on lijang tower, or on any payload) some people act like if you're wallriding you somehow become an impossible to hit target and I can only imagine that being the case if you're aiming with a thumbstick I don't have the links but there was some lucio main on console that posted some videos of crazy wall ride shenanigans and a bunch of people commented on his video like you did, so he bought the game on pc and went straight to grandmaster doing the exact same thing
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Manatee Cannon posted:I don't have the links but there was some lucio main on console that posted some videos of crazy wall ride shenanigans and a bunch of people commented on his video like you did, so he bought the game on pc and went straight to grandmaster doing the exact same thing well I'd love a link to that if you find one then
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Manatee Cannon posted:I don't have the links but there was some lucio main on console that posted some videos of crazy wall ride shenanigans and a bunch of people commented on his video like you did, so he bought the game on pc and went straight to grandmaster doing the exact same thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcA3cCQfe3s
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they're in the tryhard thread somewhere, I'm sure if you ask for them someone will know what you're talking about e: o or someone can post it right now, that works too
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Help Im Alive posted:I don't think I want to play your overwatch Pomp posted:4e is literally the only good version of d&d just play Mouse Guard anyways though
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I'm not sure why people have the decided the solution is No Healing Ever not in the least because if you removed any form of heal-other it would disproportionately benefit the characters who have the ability to self-heal. (Not to mention Soldier 76, though I assume you'd remove his healnade too.) And if you remove all healing self-and-otherwise ever then you're disproportionately benefiting characters who have mobility enough to control health packs and really screwing over characters who don't. IronicDongz posted:You don't want to play a faster, more aggressive overwatch? Not particularly, no. I enjoy the combination of skills and abilities and the ability to play roles beyond SHOOT MANS BEST. There are countless other games (including better ones) which are focused entirely on pure twitch skill. Overwatch's appeal to me is in having roles I can play beyond straight shootmans. There are places Overwatch could improve but they're not in removing all healing and making characters into combat wombats because you, personally, don't like playing supports. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Dec 25, 2016 |
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He (DSPStanky) also streams on twitch and his Lucio play is completely insane.
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IronicDongz posted:You don't want to play a faster, more aggressive overwatch? That's different from trying to compare Overwatch to CSGO and saying the former should be more like the latter. Despite both being FPSes the two aren't really alike. Kai Tave fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Dec 25, 2016 |
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ImpAtom posted:There are places Overwatch could improve but they're not in removing all healing and making characters into combat wombats because you, personally, don't like playing supports.
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i want to try an overwatch where all the damage dealing is taken out and you exclusively bump or temp disable other heroes
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IronicDongz posted:I like playing supports, but I would at least wanna try a crazy experimental no healing overwatch! That's called solo queue quickplay.
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I would be more inclined to play Mercy even if all they did was remove her staff and res. Just keep the actually fun parts.
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chumbler posted:I would be more inclined to play Mercy even if all they did was remove her staff and res. Just keep the actually fun parts. so she would just fly around and shoot people with her pistol? ...yeah okay i see your point
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Kerrrrrrr posted:so she would just fly around and shoot people with her pistol? And people wouldn't whine when you aren't holding down the heal beam button.
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Cowcaster posted:on the wallriding specifically I do think it's one of those things that's heavily influenced by whether you're playing on a console or pc because while there's some specific places you can get really erratic patterns going (like the pole dancing point on lijang tower, or on any payload) some people act like if you're wallriding you somehow become an impossible to hit target and I can only imagine that being the case if you're aiming with a thumbstick Someone already posted the DSPstanky video, but have this video of an aggresive Lucio dealing with an enemy Widow on the first CP in Hanamura: https://giant.gfycat.com/OptimalConfusedBunting.webm I don't have any recorded footage, but my stack has seen me pull off some cool poo poo with Lucio 
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I first thought Lucio was really boring but you can definitely chase low health players or catch them unaware. If I'm having a good day I can contest points till my team comes back. on my own without the enemy hitting me. It's really exciting.
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teagone posted:Someone already posted the DSPstanky video, but have this video of an aggresive Lucio dealing with an enemy Widow on the first CP in Hanamura: that sure is a lot of time playing horribly by giving your team zero auras. its flashy and cool but still bad
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Knocking people off the map will never not be cool
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Blinky2099 posted:that sure is a lot of time playing horribly by giving your team zero auras. its flashy and cool but still bad Context I suppose. Maybe the dude's team was getting destroyed by the Widow and no one could do anything about it but him! I posted it as more a display of what Lucio can do in terms of wall riding anyways.
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Blinky2099 posted:that sure is a lot of time playing horribly by giving your team zero auras. its flashy and cool but still bad Getting a key pick is never bad.
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Blinky2099 posted:that sure is a lot of time playing horribly by giving your team zero auras. its flashy and cool but still bad Ultimately, the problem with Lucio is that his most optimal pattern of play is also the dullest, least interactive one (remaining in LoS of as many allies as possible and spamming a choke to progressively build ult).
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This is such a good video.
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Also, the free loot boxes hooked it up, https://streamable.com/9k4a5 https://streamable.com/2jh8g
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Mymla posted:Getting a key pick is never bad. 1) he's not healing teammates, bad 2) he has no idea that the widow is that low. even if he did know she's that low, she could have easily been healed through the rear window by an ally and then you're just walking straight into a widow at full health with 0 opportunity to kill her. you knock her off and now what exactly, you're stuck in a poo poo situation with your teammates all dead cause you weren't healing them (and half of them are currently dead anyway) Vermain posted:Ultimately, the problem with Lucio is that his most optimal pattern of play is also the dullest, least interactive one (remaining in LoS of as many allies as possible and spamming a choke to progressively build ult). agreed
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The only time I've ever truly had fun while healing was playing as a disciple of khaine in warhammer age of reckoning
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A. Lucio is generally the best character to be at any given time. B. Lucio's melee attack is just as good as 93% of the rest of the character casts' melee attacks. Ergo meleeing people as Lucio is never wrong.
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Blinky2099 posted:it's bad when the decision making process you took to get there was bad. yes it happened to work out, no his play was not good. It's not something I'd try in a competitive match if put in the same situation on the first point of Hanamura on attack, but it'd be fun to try and do in QP to help break the monotony of Lucio's inherent passive play. [edit] Tracking down the source of that gfycat on Reddit, the OP said the same thing basically. Heh. https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/5iqwgp/okay_guys_ill_kill_widowmaker_while_the_rest_of/ teagone fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Dec 25, 2016 |
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easily my favorite OW video. That dude is just on another level.
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Call me crazy, but if he really wasn't contributing to his team at all by doing all that in the video wouldn't he never have climbed the ladder as far as he did?
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I'm at work will those boxes still be there when I got off at midnight?
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flatluigi posted:Call me crazy, but if he really wasn't contributing to his team at all by doing all that in the video wouldn't he never have climbed the ladder as far as he did? You can see he frequently had 4+ people in his aura while dancing around. A lot of the times he was solo he was holding a point, presumably after a team wipe.
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sucks to your rear end-mar posted:I'm at work will those boxes still be there when I got off at midnight? Yes, you have until January 2nd.
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I think removing healers makes the game a lot less interesting from a team roles perspective. It becomes much more "focus this guy, focus that guy" without them. Ana is too good and Lucio's speed boost is too good in a game where almost all characters move at the same speed otherwiseflatluigi posted:Call me crazy, but if he really wasn't contributing to his team at all by doing all that in the video wouldn't he never have climbed the ladder as far as he did? I do agree though that for people who aren't absolute gods optimal Lucio play is very passive and boring. Irony Be My Shield fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Dec 25, 2016 |
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