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Adding two new DPS roles with no new tanks or healers will make DPS queues in Stormblood really, really awful. Aside from that I don't think it'd be too much of a problem.
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gently caress dancer, bring on the int-based mDPS Samurai. Also willing to accept Samurai as a melee buffing/support class. Digital_Jesus posted:Viera and catgirls suck.
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He's right, though, they're the one thing marring the otherwise perfect races.
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Dec 25, 2016 19:27
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So when is the second job reveal?
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Dec 25, 2016 19:36
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Probably the Frankfurt Fanfest. The Final Fantasy Fourteen Fan Fest in Frankfurt, Fermany.
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Thundarr posted:Adding two new DPS roles with no new tanks or healers will make DPS queues in Stormblood really, really awful. That's why Blue Mages will be tanks.
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Dec 25, 2016 19:39
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If it's Samurai it'll be a DPS. Can't wait for my literally instant queues as all three tanks all the way to 70. 
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Dec 25, 2016 19:41
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kojei posted:We know we're getting more than one and we also know we're getting less than three. I think you'll find this setup does not allow many options. We'll get 2.5 jobs, with the .5 being Mime. The class trainer will be Gogo.
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Dec 25, 2016 19:42
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Fister Roboto posted:If it's only two jobs, the second will probably have to dps as well unless they want three tanks and four healers or vice versa. I'm still counting on three jobs, since didn't astrologian kind of come out of left field for HW? I recall Yoshi pretty explicitly said after Heavensward released that they weren't doing 3 Jobs to an expansion again because they killed themselves doing it. If they're only doing two Jobs, there's the points you raise, but another reason why it's most likely gonna be two DPS is that they have an active incentive NOT to add a tank or a healer when one of their pressing concerns in Stormblood is fixing the tank and healer imbalances they already have. Two DPS is safe, easy, and doesn't rock the boat while they get the Warrior and Scholar dilemma under control.
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Dec 25, 2016 19:52
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Yeah, definitely. With three tanks right now, warrior is clearly the best, so you want to bring one no matter what. But since you need two tanks for most fights, and the other two are roughly equal, taking either a paladin or a dark knight is still fine. Introducing a fourth tank would mean that there would be a chance that one of the four would be left out entirely.
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Dec 25, 2016 19:59
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See I hear what you guys are saying but I can't help but think back to the Ninja rush of 2.4 and how that made DPS queuing for leveling roulette take literal hours and I don't want a repeat of that.
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Head Hit Keyboard posted:See I hear what you guys are saying but I can't help but think back to the Ninja rush of 2.4 and how that made DPS queuing for leveling roulette take literal hours and I don't want a repeat of that. Avoid queues by partying with goons. There will be hundreds online pretty much 24/7 for the first week or two of the expansion.
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Dec 25, 2016 20:13
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During the first week DPS queues are likely to be shorter for the stormblood content, as a lot of the usual dps slots will be leveling their new classes from 50 to 60  I'll take BLM to cap first again, clear out all the side quests as the dps class, then proceed to grinding dungeons as sch. It was a very enjoyable way of experiencing HW last time around (also because overworld poo poo was hp sponges even as a blm, I don't even want to imagine what it looked like as pre-broil sch).
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Truga posted:During the first week DPS queues are likely to be shorter for the stormblood content, as a lot of the usual dps slots will be leveling their new classes from 50 to 60 Uh do the over world content as SMN then?
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Dec 25, 2016 20:22
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And waste all that sweet OW xp on a class I can just instant queue with? Besides, SMN blows
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Been wanting to get on this and now it's on sale for a good price, is there any 'downside' to getting it on steam other than just having to buy expansions on steam too? Like no weird jank with other things? I can slap time cards on there same as otherwise and everything? Also is Balmung still 100% impossible to get onto without doling out  ?
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Dec 25, 2016 20:26
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Having to buy expansions on steam is the only downside. Which might not even be a downside, where I live steam has been the cheapest way of getting this game and expansion.
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Dec 25, 2016 20:29
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Key stores like GMG usually have the non-steam version on sale for decent prices. The other part of the steam version is that part of your subscription goes to fund GabeN's knife collection instead of supporting Yoship's t-shirt collection.
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Dec 25, 2016 20:39
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Pretty sure the subscription part only happens if you pay through the steam wallet. And yeah, I live on the balkans and I'm pretty sure it's some SE price fuckery that allows me to get ff14 cheaper on steam than other places despite being in the eurozone. I got it for less than GMG, and definitely less than other people had to pay on steam. 
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Truga posted:And waste all that sweet OW xp on a class I can just instant queue with? Well you said you wouldn't want to do it as SCH.
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Personally I want to see how other classes will change and if the level 70 rotations really mix up some of the classes. Maybe BLM won't get screwed by boss jumps.
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merry christmas/non-denominational winter holiday, all of you, even the ones with bad opinions about final fantasy games. may the duty finder always give you parties you deserve.
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Reiterpallasch posted:merry christmas/non-denominational winter holiday, all of you, even the ones with bad opinions about final fantasy games. may the duty finder always give you parties you deserve. Except the ones who like FF3 DS. They need to know they're wrong.
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Dec 25, 2016 21:21
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Jesus was an honest healer, so Christmas is for scrubs.
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Fister Roboto posted:Jesus was an honest healer, so Christmas is for scrubs. Jesus Christ gains the effect of "Sell Cloak to Buy Sword" from Jesus Christ Jesus Christ readies "Cast Out" on Moneychanger
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Fister Roboto posted:Jesus was an honest healer, so Christmas is for scrubs. Took him 3 days to click accept res.
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Took him 3 days to click accept res.
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Judas would vote abandon a perfectly good 24 man raid imo
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He's a hacker anyway. He got food buffs on an entire crystal tower raid using a couple of NQ loaves of bread and fish.
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I hope YoshiP gives me the Christmas present of gutting 50% of the spells/abilities on every class.
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Mordiceius posted:I hope YoshiP gives me the Christmas present of gutting 50% of the spells/abilities on every class. I don't want to get rid of anything on dragoon except feint. I don't want to get rid of anything on paladin, either.
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BLM could stand to lose Freeze, Surecast, B2 and have all the Thunders merged into one skill. Apocatastasis is useful in cases where you have a bit of downtime before a big magic hit (Sophia's ult comes to mind; I'll drop it on anyone that has vuln stacks) but I wouldn't miss it too much. Maybe combine Manawall and Manaward.
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All of my buttons should be Assize with unique cooldowns that are the same as the spell they replaced and my monk punches should give me unlimited stacks of greased lightning so ultimately I run out of TP in one second but I hit for 70million per hit with 0gcd
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If they're going to simplify classes I could see a few things happening: BLM & DRG: Ease the penalties of losing their continuous buffs of botd / enochian. BLM has a few abilities that could be easily cut, or make Freeze PVP only. BRD: ease or remove WM, because it clearly feels like an afterthought. MCH: maybe reduce the amount of cooldowns and buff a couple so that wildfire opener isn't so tight. MNK: Reduce positionals and increase the time on Twin snakes. NIN: probably make jutsus easier. Most players aren't good at effectively using them on cooldowns. SMN: not sure. I think SMN is the easiest DPS as is. DRK: probably reduce MP penalties. WAR: turn abilities into traits that switch with defiance and deliverance. Rest of the classes seem easy as is. WHM will probably have something that automatically replaces Stone 1 with whatever is strongest. I think PLD is the ideal style of play for 4.0. I realize there's a lot of elitism that comes with dumbing down the jobs but I think 3.0 rotations were a bit too complex for raids. That and Gordias was a bit too rough. I think making the play styles so that the idea of raiding is a bit more enticing.
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I guess I can get behind making things like blood of the dragon or enochian more forgiving, but actually removing abilities (except in some very niche cases like maybe one ilm punch) would be pretty dumb.seiferguy posted:NIN: probably make jutsus easier. Most players aren't good at effectively using them on cooldowns. Just make it so that if you try to use doton on a single target, you get rabbit medium instead. Mymla fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Dec 25, 2016 |
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I don't think Monk needs any simplification because it's already easy to get the jist. It just needs the fat trimming and number tweaks so that Purification isn't a bad invigorate and Forbidden Chakra is a once/twice a fight real burst damage rather than something which is kind of meh. A crit with Forbidden should be around F4 numbers, considering you don't always get a chance to get 5 stacks again in a fight and its certainly not very rotation. I'd be perfectly happy with Chakra being removed though as well. It's not a fun mechanic and things that use it aren't especially fun either.
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Josuke Higashikata posted:I don't think Monk needs any simplification because it's already easy to get the jist. It just needs the fat trimming and number tweaks so that Purification isn't a bad invigorate and Forbidden Chakra is a once/twice a fight real burst damage rather than something which is kind of meh. A crit with Forbidden should be around F4 numbers, considering you don't always get a chance to get 5 stacks again in a fight and its certainly not very rotation. My prediction for monk was more exploration of the chakras. Ways to build it up during fights besides charging it up in down times (maybe like a single chakra opened every time you reapply GL3 to yourself) or getting a full stack back instantly and of course a couple other skills that use it up.
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Josuke Higashikata posted:I don't think Monk needs any simplification because it's already easy to get the jist. It just needs the fat trimming and number tweaks so that Purification isn't a bad invigorate and Forbidden Chakra is a once/twice a fight real burst damage rather than something which is kind of meh. A crit with Forbidden should be around F4 numbers, considering you don't always get a chance to get 5 stacks again in a fight and its certainly not very rotation. Yeah the chakra is a bit wonky. There aren't many fights where you have a chance to regain it after pushing out Forbidden Chakra. Alex Prime comes to mind as one where i get to use it a lot, but that's it.
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Hunter Noventa posted:Yeah the chakra is a bit wonky. There aren't many fights where you have a chance to regain it after pushing out Forbidden Chakra. Alex Prime comes to mind as one where i get to use it a lot, but that's it. Huh? This is the opposite of true because I'm having a hard time thinking of post-54 fights that don't have small breaks where you aren't attacking the boss. Maybe regular alexander 9? First priority is to form shift to coeurl stance to either keep greased lightning going if possible or reapply a stack right away if not, but even after doing that you can and should be charging at least a couple chakras.
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Yardbomb posted:Been wanting to get on this and now it's on sale for a good price, is there any 'downside' to getting it on steam other than just having to buy expansions on steam too? Like no weird jank with other things? I can slap time cards on there same as otherwise and everything? If you've already tried the demo directly from S-E then you need to buy a non-Steam license. Otherwise there's no caveats to worry about. Balmung is probably impossible to get onto but you probably don't want to go there anyway unless you specifically know people there
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