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rex rabidorum vires posted:100k damage loss in the New Mex because gently caress PUBBIES   
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The Prong Song posted:EDIT: Man, you just really don't want to admit that American BBs are trash. And they are. American BB's are totally fine. The SC, Wyoming, New York and New Mexico require you to use your brain, look at the matchup and figure out where to go in order to keep pressure on caps and your excellent firepower singing, since you are quite slow and have trouble repositioning. The Colorado is a solid brawler that has a cruiser-like rudder shift/turning circle and punchy guns. The North Carolina is a slim, demure ship which runs a fantastic stealth build, letting you avoid fire by becoming undetected whilst you pump your excellent firepower into enemy ships, and the Iowa excels at speeding into a position and pointing her bow forward, allowing her to survive for extended engagements. The Iowa has become a bit more lackluster lately with the buffed Izumo essentially being an Iowa with better frontal armor and less superstructure, but it still does what the Izumo can't in terms of anti-air. People also really underestimate the extra turret on the Montana, which gives her an edge in firepower that can really put the pressure in lower tiered ships, whereas the Yamato excels in punching holes into any sort of armor, but suffers on the RoF and number of guns. American battleships never stopped being good, they've just lost some shine to German BB's, which are way more forgiving and arguably funner to play with some builds (the North Carolina is a very good ship but I couldn't see myself choosing it over a Bismarck with the secondary build for just having fun in random battles, for example). OSad fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Dec 27, 2016 |
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Dec 27, 2016 21:04
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Gwaihir posted:Yea, US BBs are anything but trash. Trash is stuff like the Pensacola, with no armor, no concealment, and unexceptional guns. Or the Myogi, or the many Japanese DDs that have been nerfed a million times. I found the best use for Bismarck secondaries was to just set fires. Especially if there are multiple targets. Just set a fire, move on to the next target and spread fire around. Sometimes they seem to saturate sections as well and you don't even do any HE damage vs some Battleships. In duels vs Norcals, I have found them to be pretty dangerous. Even though you never get citadeled, a full broadside of penetrating shots from a Norcal is almost as bad. Meanwhile I have missed broad side/semi broadside citadels due to dispersion even within 5km. I mean if it hits the Norcal is done like dinner but if it misses it seems like you are always behind in DPS per salvo
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Dec 27, 2016 21:07
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The German BB line really has more stinkers than the US line does. The Germans get great ships at T6, 8, and 10, but the others are pretty blah. T5 and under has crappy popguns, T7 only has 6 guns, and T9 is just in an odd spot.
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Dec 27, 2016 21:08
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Jack_tripper posted:you are buying admiral boxes. admiral boxes are not the correct choice. Nope, captain's. I just have terrible luck.
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Dec 27, 2016 21:08
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Gwaihir posted:Yea, US BBs are anything but trash Lord Koth posted:Montana is arguably better at killing anything that's not a battleship than either of its two counterparts. OSad posted:American BB's are totally fine. 
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Dec 27, 2016 21:11
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Gwaihir posted:The German BB line really has more stinkers than the US line does. The Germans get great ships at T6, 8, and 10, but the others are pretty blah. T5 and under has crappy popguns, T7 only has 6 guns, and T9 is just in an odd spot. The Gneisenau owns. I average 90k damages in it. Just don't snipe with it.
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Dec 27, 2016 21:13
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NC in particular just has such great accuracy that you get those "Magic bullet" salvos where dispersion lines up and you get 6+ full penetration hits in a single volley way more often than in most other BBs.
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Dec 27, 2016 21:14
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Cippalippus posted:The Gneisenau owns. I average 90k damages in it. Just don't snipe with it. Same, it's my best T7 BB tied with the Scharnhorst. It's fast and nimble, with decent armor and good AA/Secondaries. All this and torpedoes makes up for the 2 missing guns. I hated both the Colorado (pre-buff) and Nagato (before the T7 friendly matchmaking) though.
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Dec 27, 2016 21:38
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Welp I finally broke down and bought some of those boxes. Got a shitload of camo, 180 days premium, an Ishizuchi, and a Texas. Are those premiums any good? v  v
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Dec 27, 2016 21:39
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Soup Inspector posted:Welp I finally broke down and bought some of those boxes. The Ishizuchi has good secondaries but mediocre guns. The Texas is a New York with really good AA relative to its tier.
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Dec 27, 2016 21:49
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And much better firing arcs on the middle turret making it safer and easier to have a full broadside at your disposal.
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Dec 27, 2016 21:56
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OSad posted:The Ishizuchi has good secondaries but mediocre guns. The Texas is a New York with really good AA relative to its tier. The Ishizuchi is ok but it's seriously hampered by the fact that it's detection range is larger than it's firing range.
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Dec 27, 2016 21:57
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Gwaihir posted:Yea, US BBs are anything but trash. Trash is stuff like the Pensacola, with no armor, no concealment, and unexceptional guns. The Pensacola has a lot of bad things going for it, but its guns are not one of them. It has approximately the same guns as on the New Orleans, except at broadside it brings 1 extra barrel to bear. At T7. The bad concealment + mediocre range combo is the real issue, not getting shot at is vital to CAs being able to bring real firepower to a fight, and that sort of necessitates them being able to get into range, turn themselves to a safe angle, then open fire. The Pensacola would be lucky if it could even get the "into range" part down. It also suffers from being a meme ship, as everyone is told constantly that the Pensacola is a floating citadel, so it attracts BB fire like a magnet, unlike other ships with similarly weak armor schemes, like the Russian CAs.
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Dec 27, 2016 22:15
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I loved the Pensacola. I did pretty well in it. People think it's squishy and poo poo, so they show broadside. Then I citadel them loads or do 10k salvos against BBs. That AP is a monster, and the HE is no slouch. But yeah, the only way to do well is to stick to islands and attack when the targets are occupied with something else, because as soon as they move out of their tunnel vision they'll start shooting at you. The only ship that gets more attention is the Omaha. Poor Omaha drivers. If they would unfuck its ridiculous 15.3 km detection range, it'd be almost fixed and competitive. There is a premium about that is a Pensacola, but better. The Indianapolis has better armour, concealment, turret layout, firing range and it has radar too. It is simply a better Pensacola. If you can do well in a Peniscola, the New Orleans will be smooth sailing.
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Dec 27, 2016 22:33
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As much as I cursed and derided it, I cannot deny that I had more than a few good games in the Pepsicola. The trick, at least back when I played it, was to use MLG Rudder Mod 1 and never sail in a straight line.
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Dec 27, 2016 22:35
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The Moskva is insanely fun. Laser accuracy, fantastic pen, stalintanium bow, and my secondaries rock (with the 5 point skill). Downside, 18km spot range without firing.
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Dec 27, 2016 23:01
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I have to stop. I did the Flamu video again. Note, last time I got Atago for 12 bucks, Kutuzov for 9: This time, 9 dollars:   Someone stop me....
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Dec 27, 2016 23:25
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Wargaming's income for this has got to be insane. With people throwing hundreds away trying to get a nikolai and/or gremy. Especially when there are people all showing proof of getting it not just here, but elsewhere like flamu's video.
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Dec 27, 2016 23:40
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Sperglord Actual posted:As much as I cursed and derided it, I cannot deny that I had more than a few good games in the Pepsicola. The trick, at least back when I played it, was to use MLG Rudder Mod 1 and never sail in a straight line. I saw one do this and it was beautiful. Ended the game without a scratch and was fun to watch.
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Dec 27, 2016 23:55
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I bought a USS Arizona and while it seems cool and powerful, I really don't have any idea how to play battleships. Keep my nose pointed at the enemy and turn slightly when I'm preparing to fire?
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Dec 27, 2016 23:55
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Der Shovel posted:I bought a USS Arizona and while it seems cool and powerful, I really don't have any idea how to play battleships. Keep my nose pointed at the enemy and turn slightly when I'm preparing to fire? Slow, but with lots of armor and good maneuverability. The Arizona is 12 middle fingers on a hull. Just sail at things, keep them at around 10km and maul the poo poo out of them.
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Dec 27, 2016 23:58
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Dumped the Gnevny. Just couldn't stand that BB turret traverse any longer. 
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Dec 28, 2016 00:26
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I find playing a BB during these holidays an absolute loving chore. In a DD, I can pick my own fights and assist the team in a way I see fit. In a cruiser I can tag along my big armoured tub bros and set fire to enemy BBs, delete other cruisers and provide radar/hydro against DDs. If poo poo hits the fan, I'll just MLG rudder until concealment kicks in. In a BB with potatoes around me, I'm hosed. If I commit, but the pubbies decide to bail, I'm hosed. If there's a single DD holding a cap/chokepoint/whatever and my team refuses to smoke him out, I'm hosed and can't go in there. Etc. When I'm on a decent team, I murder and wreck face. We might not even win, but at least I'll have had a good game and got lots of damage and maybe even a kill or two. In cruisers, I pretty much always get a good game, because I can dictate my own terms. When I'm on a potato team, well, gg. The amount of abysmal players during these holidays is staggering.
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Dec 28, 2016 00:49
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I bought 4 captains chests yesterday and 2 today. All of them were 25 of anniversary camo.
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Dec 28, 2016 00:58
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Enter sadman
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Gwaihir posted:Yea, US BBs are anything but trash. Trash is stuff like the Pensacola, with no armor, no concealment, and unexceptional guns. Or the Myogi, or the many Japanese DDs that have been nerfed a million times. You don't play your Bismarck right then, my secondaries average ~30k a match. The NC is awesome for being able to face tank tons of damage, but the Bismarck still handily beats it out for being drat near immune to DD's. It's also a pain for CVs and is near immune to getting citadel'd. Honestly, I'd put the NC down below the Amagi just because of those loving floaty rear end US shells. OSad posted:American BB's are totally fine. The SC, Wyoming, New York and New Mexico require you to use your brain, look at the matchup and figure out where to go in order to keep pressure on caps and your excellent firepower singing, since you are quite slow and have trouble repositioning. The Colorado is a solid brawler that has a cruiser-like rudder shift/turning circle and punchy guns. The North Carolina is a slim, demure ship which runs a fantastic stealth build, letting you avoid fire by becoming undetected whilst you pump your excellent firepower into enemy ships, and the Iowa excels at speeding into a position and pointing her bow forward, allowing her to survive for extended engagements. All of this is basically saying "US ships are good if the person playing them is good" which can be said about drat near any boat. The definition of "good" here, based on the original question is really more "which ships are easy for me to be bad in and still win", which precludes pretty much every US BB T7> JacksLibido fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Dec 28, 2016 |
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JacksLibido posted:All of this is basically saying "US ships are good if the person playing them is good" which can be said about drat near any boat. The definition of "good" here, based on the original question is really more "which ships are easy for me to be bad in and still win", which precludes pretty much every US BB T7> The original question was this Cippalippus posted:Speaking of high tier gameplay: what are the obvious turds? The US BBs are not that. Also, what ships fit the criteria you describe? What ships allow you to be bad and still win? Even technically 'easier to play' BBs like the Bismark can still get easily deleted if you play badly contributing nothing to your team. In fact, Bismark drivers often times mistake turtle back armor for invulnerability and they eat massive salvos. It happens all the time. You still need to play pretty good to win.
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Dec 28, 2016 01:21
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So after some googling Reddit has a spreadsheet that says there's a 23% chance of a ship per $3 box and 23.2% for every $5 box. 0% from $1 boxes.
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Dec 28, 2016 01:22
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Ice Fist posted:The original question was this They are turds though unless they're played by good players who know the specifics of how you have to play them. A dumbass in a Yamato can still do very well showing broadside left and right, a dude in a Montana doing that will get citadeled by a Gneis. "technically 'easier to play'" is the entire point dude. -edit- Holy poo poo, I've dropped almost $175 on santa's boxes because I have a gambling problem and I've gotten some pretty good ships (Simms, Blys, Ishi, Arizona, Indianapolis, Gremy, Anshan, Emden, and Tirpitz, and 1year of premium and ~18k doublouns... after reading this I think it's a good deal?). Which is pretty good, but I just did the Flamu trick and $36 got me a Warspite, Atlanta, Lo Yang, Atago and 2k gold... it's real! The Warspite looks so cool but my very first game had 2x carriers on each side... I died fast. JacksLibido fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Dec 28, 2016 |
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Dec 28, 2016 01:25
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For 200€ (240$) I got 0 days of premium, 5000 gold, Indianapolis, Prinz Eugen and Ishizuchi, plus thousands of camos. 
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Dec 28, 2016 01:52
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Cippalippus posted:For 200€ (240$) I got 0 days of premium, 5000 gold, Indianapolis, Prinz Eugen and Ishizuchi, plus thousands of camos. goondolences. But there has to be somebody on the wrong end of that bellcurve
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Dec 28, 2016 01:54
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Bought 1x $3 box today with flamu vid and got the Nikolai. I'm stopping here.
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Dec 28, 2016 02:05
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Ice Fist posted:The original question was this You guys are just arguing semantics. Every ship in the game has strengths and weaknesses that you need to maximize and minimize in order to do well. That much is obvious. It is also obvious that there are tons of ships where mistakes are punished more severely and good play is rewarded less generously vis a vis other ships. I mean the Bismarck and its secondaries are the most obvious. Can you assign manual targets and grind up a 15 point captain? Congratulations!!!! If you are you halfway competent and don't show your broadsides to every battleship that shows up at every single opportunity, its a free 20-40k damage per match between hits and fires alone.
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Dec 28, 2016 02:13
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JacksLibido posted:You don't play your Bismarck right then, my secondaries average ~30k a match. The NC is awesome for being able to face tank tons of damage, but the Bismarck still handily beats it out for being drat near immune to DD's. It's also a pain for CVs and is near immune to getting citadel'd. Sure, but 30k damage is a single good main gun salvo. (I think the secondaries are definitely a huge advantage, because people spaz the fuuuuck out when they get pelted endlessly, they just don't do all that much damage in the scheme of a BB). The floating shells are definitely a good advantage since plunging fire is great against other BBs, too. The reality is that all the t8s are pretty well equivalent, and none of them are turds. The bismark is better if you're a moron, but if someone's posting here at all they're probably not completely brain dead.
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Dec 28, 2016 02:21
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JacksLibido posted:They are turds though unless they're played by good players who know the specifics of how you have to play them. This doesn't make any sense at all to me since I feel like every ship is pretty bad if not played to its strengths, but okay. Anyways, you don't like 'thing' and I can't make you like 'thing' more so that's that. I'll still gleefully tell anyone who asks that the US BBs are great ships (even if the Iowa and Montana are in need of a buff).
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Dec 28, 2016 02:28
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The Iowa has a buffed version, it's just called the Missouri
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I have run out of a certain type of flag needed to keep playing my Bismarck. Is the premium shop the only option other than grinding containers?
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Ice Fist posted:This doesn't make any sense at all to me since I feel like every ship is pretty bad if not played to its strengths, but okay. Really? You can't tell the difference between 'go full speed ahead and shoot everything' vs 'stay nose on, keep high levels of SA to ensure you don't show anything other than nose on, and lead for days because your shells float forever'? That's cool man, I should have known better than to try and argue with goons.
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Dec 28, 2016 02:35
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Gwaihir posted:Sure, but 30k damage is a single good main gun salvo. (I think the secondaries are definitely a huge advantage, because people spaz the fuuuuck out when they get pelted endlessly, they just don't do all that much damage in the scheme of a BB). The floating shells are definitely a good advantage since plunging fire is great against other BBs, too. Dude, I wish I could shoot like you, I barely tap 30k on a citadel. I'm averaging 95k/match on my Bismark, with a solid third of that being secondaries. They're definitely a major selling point of this ship. Them and the sonar, since together they make you a DD's nightmare.
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Ok. Holy poo poo do I approve of the Nikolai.
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