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WampaLord posted:Oh my god you couldn't miss the point harder. Your ability to wrongly interpret things is fascinating to me. No, I get the point they were trying to make, I just reject it. Unilaterally gently caress that fire-and-passion bullshit Sisko peddles about the sport in that episode.
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It's not about fire and passion. It's about annoying Vulcans. And you.
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Dec 28, 2016 22:20
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Baseball episode is great, it's about watching the characters outside of their usual routine and sisko going a bit nuts over his quest to annoy vulcans. Also umpire Odo is amazing. It's also why the heist episode and spy episode and Benny episode are good. It's fun seeing characters you've spent like 7 years getting to know get to do something different than the usual trek routine. Most of the mirror universe episodes are not good though.
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MisterBibs posted:No, I get the point they were trying to make, I just reject it. Unilaterally gently caress that fire-and-passion bullshit Sisko peddles about the sport in that episode. You thought I was making a joke. I'm not. Sure, I can accept that the writers intended it to be your typical heartwarming Go Team episode but everything about it comes across as "gently caress those stupid Vulcans in their stupid Vulcan faces." And it's great.
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Interrupting baseball chat: who has has that Ferengi dick memo jpg? I've searched every combination of terms and can't find it.
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MorgaineDax posted:Interrupting baseball chat: who has has that Ferengi dick memo jpg? I've searched every combination of terms and can't find it. Your search history will long outlive you in Google's datamining servers. Think about it 
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Dec 28, 2016 23:04
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From the last time someone asked for the ferengi dick memo.
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What people overlook is that in the dick memo Gene apparently stated officially that the Federation isn't communist or socialist. But then, if the dicks aren't canon, can we consider anything from the memo canon?
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Tunicate posted:From the last time someone asked for the ferengi dick memo. God bless you. I'm currently living vicariously through a coworker who was looking for a new show on Netflix to watch. I suggested Deep Space 9, and it's literally her first Trek media ever. She doesn't even know the difference between Kirk and Picard. She sends me hilarious texts whenever something big happens.  She hates Torture O'Brien episodes, she was devastated when Vedek Bareil died, she was super creeped out by Odo for the first 3 seasons, and her favourites are Garak, Dukat, and Ziyal. She loving loves every Ferengi episode. I'm happy that DS9 holds up even for non turbo-nerds like us.
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Dec 28, 2016 23:38
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DS9 being compared evenly to Star Wars Ep II, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Dec 28, 2016 23:49
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By the way, she read that scene in episode 2 way wrong. Sure, Padme ends up with him but in that scene she is clearly disturbed, not turned on. Also Data Graham posted:DS9 being compared evenly to Star Wars Ep II, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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WampaLord posted:By the way, she read that scene in episode 2 way wrong. Sure, Padme ends up with him but in that scene she is clearly disturbed, not turned on. Uh, you can be disturbed and turned on. Trust me 
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Uh, you can be disturbed and turned on. Trust me The order of those two doesn't even matter!
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WampaLord posted:Holy poo poo DS9 is like the tamest war story ever told, it's the furthest thing from grimdark. Eh, some of the Dominion war stuff actually is really dark in a kind of explicit way. Every single person who dies in "The Ship" dies for literally nothing, because the Vorta would have let Sisko take the ship and Sisko would have let the Vorta take the Founder. It's not even an ambiguous "was it really worth it?" kind of pointlessness, it's just a bunch of people who die for nothing. I think some of the edge comes off of DS9 because of the 90s production value, but the show really did go to some pretty dark places. Not that that's a bad thing.
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Paradoxish posted:Eh, some of the Dominion war stuff actually is really dark in a kind of explicit way. Every single person who dies in "The Ship" dies for literally nothing, because the Vorta would have let Sisko take the ship and Sisko would have let the Vorta take the Founder. It's not even an ambiguous "was it really worth it?" kind of pointlessness, it's just a bunch of people who die for nothing.
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Grimdark means something different than just "dark." Or it did, at least.
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Paradoxish posted:Eh, some of the Dominion war stuff actually is really dark in a kind of explicit way. Every single person who dies in "The Ship" dies for literally nothing, because the Vorta would have let Sisko take the ship and Sisko would have let the Vorta take the Founder. It's not even an ambiguous "was it really worth it?" kind of pointlessness, it's just a bunch of people who die for nothing. Kibayasu posted:Grimdark means something different than just "dark." Or it did, at least. Exactly. Warhammer 40k is grimdark. Star Trek Universe is the total opposite. Oh no, how grimdark, energy weapons that kill instantly and draw no blood.
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I always assumed Grimdark meant everything was violent and cruel and murderous and angry and everything, which makes sense for a game where you just fight. Of course there's not going to be any joy in the 40k universe, all you do is fight. Pretty much all the mini war games I've played or seen are like that; War Machine, Dystopian Wars, Infinity, etc. Then when there is fiction or RPGs or whatever that gets more into the game world you find out that no, it's not all just war and death. Even in the more heavy episodes of Trek there are still jokes and levity.
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Sisko: So... I lied. I cheated. I bribed men to cover the crimes of other men. I am an accessory to murder. But the most damning thing of all... I think I can live with it. And if I had to do it all over again, I would. Garak was right about one thing, a guilty conscience is a small price to pay for the safety of the Alpha Quadrant. So I will learn to live with it. Because I can live with it. I can live with it... -in the background, Jar Jar Binks is engaged in light slapstick with some tribbles-
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Baronjutter posted:Baseball episode is great, it's about watching the characters outside of their usual routine and sisko going a bit nuts over his quest to annoy vulcans. Also umpire Odo is amazing. Sisko is just a throwback to Archer's time, those dudes would to see Vulcans get annoyed.
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WickedHate posted:Sisko: So... I lied. I cheated. I bribed men to cover the crimes of other men. I am an accessory to murder. But the most damning thing of all... I think I can live with it. And if I had to do it all over again, I would. Garak was right about one thing, a guilty conscience is a small price to pay for the safety of the Alpha Quadrant. So I will learn to live with it. Because I can live with it. I can live with it... In WH40k, Sisko is then executed for even having a guilty conscience.
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Kibayasu posted:In WH40k, Sisko is then executed for even having a guilty conscience. No, he's executed for trying to ally with xenos in the first place.
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twistedmentat posted:I always assumed Grimdark meant everything was violent and cruel and murderous and angry and everything, which makes sense for a game where you just fight. Of course there's not going to be any joy in the 40k universe, all you do is fight. Pretty much all the mini war games I've played or seen are like that; War Machine, Dystopian Wars, Infinity, etc. Then when there is fiction or RPGs or whatever that gets more into the game world you find out that no, it's not all just war and death. Yeah, grimdark's really a setting where everything is atrociously terrible to a stupid degree. I don't know any people who enjoy warhams without a sense of irony about it though, but it's fun to just be an uncompromising, fanatical servant of the Golden Throne sometimes, and purge every xeno in the universe. DS9 is... not that setting.
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Mister Adequate posted:Yeah, grimdark's really a setting where everything is atrociously terrible to a stupid degree. I don't know any people who enjoy warhams without a sense of irony about it though, but it's fun to just be an uncompromising, fanatical servant of the Golden Throne sometimes, and purge every xeno in the universe. DS9 is... not that setting.
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So I was watching a Voyager episode and I was thinking "drat this is a really cool episode." The ship had entered a region of space with no stars or planets around for 2500 light years, everything was pitch black. The whole crew was starting to crack up. Janeway locked herself in her room and wouldn't come out because she finally had time to reflect on what a psycho she is. Chakotay keeps trying to do the daily briefings but nobody gives a poo poo because nothing changes from day to day. Neelix starts having panic attacks and can't breathe because of the existential terror of existing in this giant void of nothingness. Suddenly something happens, the engines fail and all the lights in the ship go off one by one. Some horrible ghoulish aliens start appearing in the ship and Janeway kicks the door down with a phaser rifle because she can finally sate her bloodlust again. Tuvok manages to launch a photon torpedo to create a light burst and they see they are surrounded by ships. Then another alien shows up to save them and after one thing leads to another we learn a valuable lesson about how pollution is bad.
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Pwnstar posted:So I was watching a Voyager episode and I was thinking "drat this is a really cool episode." The ship had entered a region of space with no stars or planets around for 2500 light years, everything was pitch black. The whole crew was starting to crack up. Janeway locked herself in her room and wouldn't come out because she finally had time to reflect on what a psycho she is. Chakotay keeps trying to do the daily briefings but nobody gives a poo poo because nothing changes from day to day. Neelix starts having panic attacks and can't breathe because of the existential terror of existing in this giant void of nothingness. Suddenly something happens, the engines fail and all the lights in the ship go off one by one. Some horrible ghoulish aliens start appearing in the ship and Janeway kicks the door down with a phaser rifle because she can finally sate her bloodlust again. Tuvok manages to launch a photon torpedo to create a light burst and they see they are surrounded by ships. Someday scientists will study Voyager's ability to completely squander every good idea it ever had in less than two commercial breaks time. It's frankly amazing how they can start with a potentially interesting idea like "cabin fever slowly driving everyone on the ship to existential dread" and within 10 minutes it's "this fucker who looks like an infected toenail is polluting space. And that's just terrible." "Awww man. This episode is going to be introspective and existential and... oh. Pollution is bad. Aaaaand they're out of the void at the end."
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WickedHate posted:40k didn't even used to be grimdark until people started taking it seriously. Case in point, this old visual: I hate everything about this 
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WampaLord posted:By the way, she read that scene in episode 2 way wrong. Sure, Padme ends up with him but in that scene she is clearly disturbed, not turned on No no, Attack of the Clones is supposed to have weird psychosexual stuff going on. Padme's reaction is supposed to come off as bizarre. The most generous reading of the scene is that she just doesn't give a poo poo that her new boyfriend killed a bunch of people. Padme's racist attitudes were a plot point in the first movie so it's not surprising that she is unfazed by her studmuffin's murderous escapades, whereas Anakin is a genuinely good person and is horrified by his crimes. Everyone around Anakin is just an awful influence. Like the whole movie is about dysfunctional relationships. I think your friend is on to something. In that scene Padme's first instinct is to rush to Anakin and comfort him, like maybe his dead mother that he just killed a bunch of people over might have. Their relationship is odd. Unfortunately the tonal control of the movie is zonked out and the audience never knows how it's supposed to feel about anything, so we're left wondering why the stilted romance between a 20-something racist politician and a 17 year-old-mass murderer was so distasteful.
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Kibayasu posted:Grimdark means something different than just "dark." Or it did, at least. The Ebert review: http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/screamers-1996 WickedHate posted:40k didn't even used to be grimdark until people started taking it seriously. Case in point, this old visual:
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3 DONG HORSE posted:Decided to watch the first Star Trek after catching "Space Seed" on TV. Original Khan is really intimidating. There's a lot of bad TOS but so much of it is fantastically entertaining. I love the episode -- I forget the name -- where the crew is trapped by the manchild general with superpowers, dressed like Liberace meets Napoleon, and just toys with them. It's the one with the giant green space hand. One of my favorite episodes of all is ... gently caress I forget the name of this one too. But there's two rival planets that have automated their warfighting. Basically, the war is simulated, and when a missile "hits" a target, the computer calculates the "damage" and assigns casualties ... who then report to vaporization chambers. (It spares the planets' culture and infrastructure from the war, you see.) The episode ends up with Kirk and Spock waging a commando-style guerrilla campaign on the vaporizers with phaser rifles. Moral lesson: Beware "sanitized" war. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 10:44 on Dec 29, 2016 |
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Wikkheiser posted:He is and that episode is great. Montalban was an excellent physical actor, and Space Seed shows Khan off as charismatic and seductive, which is lost in Wrath of Khan where he appears as more of a mad space pirate. Well, he is that obviously given the circumstances. That's the thing that annoys me most about Khanberbatch: where's the passion? The charisma? The most basic part of Khan's character is that he explodes through the screen with verve, that he's the kind of man who could build an empire on the power of his personality. Even after he goes nuts he's still got that strength of character. So sad Del Toro dropped out and was replaced with Cumberbatch, his take would've been really interesting. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 10:51 on Dec 29, 2016 |
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They should have tapped Javier Bardem, if nothing else his villain in Skyfall was 120% verve.
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Wikkheiser posted:There's a lot of bad TOS but so much of it is fantastically entertaining. I love the episode -- I forget the name -- where the crew is trapped by the manchild general with superpowers, dressed like Liberace meets Napoleon, and just toys with them. It's the one with the giant green space hand. Squire of Gothos. This one doesn't make a whole lot of sense but comes off fantastically just because the titular squire is so full-throatedly goofy. One of my favorite Spock lines as well: "I object to you. I object to intellect without discipline. I object to power without constructive purpose." Wikkheiser posted:One of my favorite episodes of all is ... gently caress I forget the name of this one too. But there's two rival planets that have automated their warfighting. Basically, the war is simulated, and when a missile "hits" a target, the computer calculates the "damage" and assigns casualties ... who then report to vaporization chambers. (It spares the planets' culture and infrastructure from the war, you see.) The episode ends up with Kirk and Spock waging a commando-style guerrilla campaign on the vaporizers with phaser rifles. Moral lesson: Beware "sanitized" war. I think this one is A Taste of Armageddon.
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