Wheat Loaf posted:It's like she's the Roman Reigns of Marvel characters. Pretty much. The cool poo poo has to come before the push.
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Wheat Loaf posted:It's like she's the Roman Reigns of Marvel characters. Synthbuttrange posted:She's Poochie. These can both be right.
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Wheat Loaf posted:It's like she's the Roman Reigns of Marvel characters. I didn't want to say it, but yeah.  Endless Mike posted:Carol couldn't get a 4-star comic if they tried, so no. 
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Dec 31, 2016 14:13
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Wheat Loaf posted:It's like she's the Roman Reigns of Marvel characters. Lurdiak posted:Pretty much. The cool poo poo has to come before the push.
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Dec 31, 2016 14:16
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Wheat Loaf posted:It's like she's the Roman Reigns of Marvel characters. Synthbuttrange posted:She's Poochie. She's neither, unlike those she isn't unredeemably flawed in her basic premise. She's however mishandled for years and made the fist rate female character by edict, which simply doesn't work, if you aren't giving on someone like Gillen or Aaron or Ewing who can handle difficult characters with a uneven past. The result is that Marvel now has several women, who would fit the premier spot in the limelight far better than Carol, but she's the one everyone should celebrate, because we are told so after CW 2.
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Dec 31, 2016 16:26
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Oh, so she's John Cena.
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Dec 31, 2016 16:30
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Waffleman_ posted:Oh, so she's John Cena. No John Cena's actually popular and sells merch.
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Dec 31, 2016 16:36
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They have been trying to make Carol a thing since 2006. A decade of just enough fans to keep a book going. Carol is the marvel Red Hood.
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Dec 31, 2016 17:01
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Mr Hootington posted:Carol is the marvel Red Hood. Who's Carol's D_T in these boards?
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Dec 31, 2016 17:02
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Who's Carol's D_T in these boards? Twistedmentat, if we had to choose.
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Dec 31, 2016 17:17
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Mr Hootington posted:Twistedmentat, if we had to choose. Well, drat. I also really like Scarlet Witch, Magik and Rogue, so I'm sure they are also bad characters.
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Dec 31, 2016 17:46
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twistedmentat posted:Well, drat. I also really like Scarlet Witch, Magik and Rogue, so I'm sure they are also bad characters. Scarlet witch from disassembled until she was uncrazy was. Everyone else is good. Rogue was the best thing to happen to carol too.
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Dec 31, 2016 18:15
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Decius posted:She's neither, unlike those she isn't unredeemably flawed in her basic premise. She's however mishandled for years and made the fist rate female character by edict, which simply doesn't work, if you aren't giving on someone like Gillen or Aaron or Ewing who can handle difficult characters with a uneven past. The result is that Marvel now has several women, who would fit the premier spot in the limelight far better than Carol, but she's the one everyone should celebrate, because we are told so after CW 2. She's Hillary Clinton.
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Dec 31, 2016 18:26
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Mr Hootington posted:Scarlet witch from disassembled until she was uncrazy was. Everyone else is good. I just realized Wonderman has been inside all of them except Magik. And seriously, The Rogue/Carol relationship is why I love both characters so much.
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Dec 31, 2016 18:41
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Heathen posted:She's Hillary Clinton. Whoa whoa whoa whoa WHOA that's mean.
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Dec 31, 2016 18:43
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I read the 2014 series and that was a tough one to jump into having never followed the character or read old Avengers. Also, from what I always heard about her I thought energy manipulation and absorption was going to be a major factor in her fights but in that series she came off as really generic. Like if you saw a How To Draw Comics book and on the cover is some off-brand hero who's flying and shooting a beam out of their fist because that's short hand for "superhero".
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Lobok posted:I read the 2014 series and that was a tough one to jump into having never followed the character or read old Avengers. Also, from what I always heard about her I thought energy manipulation and absorption was going to be a major factor in her fights but in that series she came off as really generic. Like if you saw a How To Draw Comics book and on the cover is some off-brand hero who's flying and shooting a beam out of their fist because that's short hand for "superhero". In the Wood series, she talks about how she fought Klaw, and she discovered the energy he shoots is a kind she can adsorb, so as he kept shooting her, she just kept absorbing more and more of him until Klaw was nothing but his little dish hand thingy.
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Dec 31, 2016 19:43
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Didn't she end up being charged with murder for that, or was it a different hero that absorbed Klaw?
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Dec 31, 2016 19:48
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twistedmentat posted:In the Wood series, she talks about how she fought Klaw, and she discovered the energy he shoots is a kind she can adsorb, so as he kept shooting her, she just kept absorbing more and more of him until Klaw was nothing but his little dish hand thingy. That was in a post House of M issue of New Avengers with Bendis and Cho.
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Dec 31, 2016 20:00
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Open Marriage Night posted:That was in a post House of M issue of New Avengers with Bendis and Cho. I could have sworn it was when she was telling this to Strange. My recollection of that era is very muddy.
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Dec 31, 2016 20:23
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twistedmentat posted:I could have sworn it was when she was telling this to Strange. My recollection of that era is very muddy. You are very bad at this T_M
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Heathen posted:She's Hillary Clinton. It's crazy how accurate this is lmao.
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Dec 31, 2016 20:57
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Lurdiak posted:That certainly didn't help, but the bigger problem is that during KSD's entire run it felt like Carol kept the reader at a distance. You didn't really get a sense of who she is, or what drives her. It felt like coming in at season 5 of a long running series where everyone assumes you understand the premise already. Except it was supposed to be a new-reader friendly relaunch of the character. She knows all these people and you have no idea who the gently caress they are or what their relationship really is, she has all this history as a hero and as a pilot that's treated like you should know it all already. And considering that the last time the character had a solo book the only thing the writer could think to do is to make her go through an unending identity crisis, that's really not great for returning readers either. I agree with the points made in the first paragraph and would add that it definitely didn't help that her first arc was being sent into space and not interacting with the rest of the main marvel u cast at all which is really weird for new reader relaunch about "earth's mightiest hero" imo Tbf i would disagree with the comparison to kamala because she was literally a brand new character so of course we're gonna to be following her from day one, not a jumping off point for someone who already had 30? years of garbage backstory weighing them down site fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Dec 31, 2016 |
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Dec 31, 2016 21:53
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fadam posted:It's crazy how accurate this is lmao. This is utter nonsense; Captain Marvel won CWII.
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Jan 1, 2017 02:28
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Then we'd have Doctor Doom taking Trump's place?
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Synthbuttrange posted:Then we'd have Doctor Doom taking Trump's place? Spoilers for cw4
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I'd honestly prefer Doom.
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Doom has been a proper hero for years and he saved the multiverse. He'd make a great president.
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I'd 100 times out of 100 rather have Doom be president over Trump.
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Teenage Fansub posted:Yo. Someone get me ready for USAvengers by broadly spoiling all of ANAD New Avengers, please If you want a slightly more detailed version than has been given: Because the Avengers as a concept were kinda hosed after Secret Wars, Sunspot set up his own version using AIM resources, but because AIM are still sorta terrorists, he's not allowed to operate on US soil. Also SHIELD send a spy to keep an eye on him, except Dum Dum Dugan and Clint Barton both immediately tell Roberto that it's Clint. Except it's actually not, it's Songbird, but she's also really a double-secret-quarduple agent infiltrating SHIELD for Sunspot. They mostly fight the Maker, including some one-upmanship where Reed bugs the NA's base, but Pod had a counter for it the first time he tried, so then they let it work the second time and fed him disinformation. In the meantime they fought a space demon because Hulkling is space King Arthur and has a magic sword now. Only the demon snuck into Wiccan and slowly corrupted him until a team of future Avengers led by Luke Cage and Jessica Jones' daughter show up to kill him, but then Billy fights back inside his mind and banishes the demon because of Twue Wuv. Then Pleasant Hill and CW2 happen and the government decide to attack AIM, first with a kaiju that gets beaten by the Avengers' giant robot, (I think this is where Songbird reveals she's with SHIELD by passing info to Daisy when they break Rick Jones out of SHIELD custody), and eventually they break up the team with most of them going to the Savage Land to meet up with secret member Cannonball, while Wiccan, Hulkling and Squirrel Girl stay behind and are disavowed so they don't get charged with treason, and Hawkeye and Songbird stay because they're SHIELD. Only Songbird gets poo poo on because of CW2 as Ulysses predicts she'd be at Sunspot's funeral, and crazy John Garret (cyborg SHIELD man) forces her to break cover and then reprograms LMD Dum Dum to be a baddie. So that leads to a 3 way battle royale at the AIM base where Pod gets killed, but the lady inside the suit survives, Toni Ho becomes a new Rescue because I think she's still Yinsen's daughter in the post-SW world, and the Maker's evil Avengers get their butt's kicked by their counterparts: The magic guy gets out magicked by Wiccan, the rat guy gets beat by Squirrel Girl, etc, and then the evil computer gets it's rear end handed to it by Sunspot and Warlock teaming up. Once that's done, to make peace with the US government, Roberto agrees to root out all the baddies in AIM, first by faking his death (hence the funeral) to draw out the head honchos like Monica Rapuccini who then get taken out by the NA. Then the team splits up to take out the random beekeeper cells, except for Wiccan and Hulkling who get an apartment from 'Berto because And now AIM works for the guy who made the American Kaiju and Thunderbolt Ross has his powers back somehow tl;dr: Manatee Cannon posted:
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Jan 1, 2017 04:01
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Also we need to bring up the fact that American Kaiju is literally Marine Todd from the chain e-mails.
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pubic works project posted:I'd 100 times out of 100 rather have Doom be president over Trump. Doom's fighting prowess and armor would make him a lot harder to, uh, "impeach".
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so are we just gonna ignore the lady Victor made into clothes or what
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Jan 1, 2017 09:12
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No but see he's a good guy now because he wore white that one time.
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TFRazorsaw posted:so are we just gonna ignore the lady Victor made into clothes or what She's fine now. Thanks Reed!
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Jan 1, 2017 10:18
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when did that happen?
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Lurdiak posted:No but see he's a good guy now because he wore white that one time. The FF had some very strict clothing requirements.
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Jan 1, 2017 15:14
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TFRazorsaw posted:so are we just gonna ignore the lady Victor made into clothes or what He's saved more lives than he's taken, it evens out in his favour. Besides, are you saying criminals can never be redeemed, that they must be shunned and ostracised forever more no matter how much they realise their past actions were wrong, or genuine their desire to make amends for their misdeeds? That'd be pretty mental.
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I'd trust a dictator named Doom over a casino tycoon named Trump. I mean, that's just cartoony.
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Sentinel Red posted:He's saved more lives than he's taken, it evens out in his favour. Besides, are you saying criminals can never be redeemed, that they must be shunned and ostracised forever more no matter how much they realise their past actions were wrong, or genuine their desire to make amends for their misdeeds? That'd be pretty mental. Nah I feel like if you literally send a baby to hell to gently caress over some people you are obsessed with you can be written off for all eternity and you will never ever redeem yourself ever.
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