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I used to think that the "there's always a Death Star" theory was stupid but in the Rouge One novel theres a scene where Krennic's department hold a meeting and the design lead literally says "we based the operation of the Equatorial Ring on the Trade Federation's Lucrehulk-class battleship" and I immediately thought of SMG
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Okay, so this is probably just me being nitpicky, but I did google the Episode 2 Death Star appearance, and I just plum forgot that the skeleton of it does show up at the end of Episode 3, but how does that fit in to planting the exhaust port as a deliberate weakness if there were already plans during the Clone Wars and construction already started by the fall of the Old Republic? Was Jyn orphaned sometime during the prequels?
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Jan 2, 2017 08:48
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The CIS Death Star plans were Proof of Concept.
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Jan 2, 2017 08:49
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Wait, are you kidding me the Trade Federation's flagship design is called the Moneyprisonboat-class? That's friggin incredible and I love it.
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Jan 2, 2017 08:50
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Holy poo poo I didn't notice that.
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Jan 2, 2017 08:51
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Barudak posted:Wait, are you kidding me the Trade Federation's flagship design is called the Moneyprisonboat-class? Well yeah it makes perfect sense that the Trade Federation's capital ship would be a play on filthy lucre.
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Jan 2, 2017 08:53
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AndyElusive posted:Ya, the Decraniated are basically 70s style Mechanicum Servitors. All Servitors in 40k are this because using robots is heresy. There's a version in DH that are viewed with terror and horror because the Hereteks that make them tell everyone that their process destroys the soul. There is no actual difference according to pskyers and tech priests who examine them, they just tell people that and suddenly they command terrifying Heretek  40k is so much better when it's fantasy Dune/Heavy Metal inspired sci-fi than it is when it's about Warrior Ubermensch. Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Jan 2, 2017 |
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Jan 2, 2017 10:19
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Optimus_Rhyme posted:I really like the old kung fu 70s movie feel they brought. I don't really know if it was the right place to have them, but having them made sure the movie did well in china so My problem with Chirrut and Baze was that I think I would have rather seen the movie that they stepped out of. They felt somewhat wasted in Rogue One.
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Jan 2, 2017 10:22
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Also the Death Stars are cool but the power to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the Force. That's basically the core theme of Star Wars which is why superweapons always show up just like the Force does.
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Jan 2, 2017 10:25
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Varam posted:My problem with Chirrut and Baze was that I think I would have rather seen the movie that they stepped out of. They felt somewhat wasted in Rogue One. The best characters are the ones where you think, "I'd love to see a whole movie about them." Ironically, I think the worst movies tend to be the ones where the studio goes, "Okay, we're gonna make a whole movie about them." (Yeah, I know that's sort of what this is). But Chirrut and Baze as the last remnants of The Guardians of the Whills are the kind of thing that hints at a mysterious, bigger universe beyond the scope of the films. It's been a long time since SW has had anything like that. The pilot and Cassian were weak characters. The pilot was just bad conceptually because he only filled a logistical narrative purpose, but Cassian had the potential for a strong arc which just kind of flounders in execution.
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Jan 2, 2017 13:35
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gradenko_2000 posted:Okay, so this is probably just me being nitpicky, but I did google the Episode 2 Death Star appearance, and I just plum forgot that the skeleton of it does show up at the end of Episode 3, but how does that fit in to planting the exhaust port as a deliberate weakness if there were already plans during the Clone Wars and construction already started by the fall of the Old Republic? What's his face designed and built the laser part of the death star, so it's conceivable that the exhaust port is part of the weapon
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Jan 2, 2017 13:59
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MeinPanzer posted:After watching it three times and thinking it over, I think this movie could have been hugely improved with theee fairly simple changes: Such bad opinions in this thread. This is worse than the guy that complained about too much war in his Star Wars.
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Jan 2, 2017 14:57
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What is the time line of Rogue One at the start of the movie? When Jyn is just a child, how long has the empire been in control?
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Jan 2, 2017 14:58
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I said come in! posted:What is the time line of Rogue One at the start of the movie? When Jyn is just a child, how long has the empire been in control? Honestly, based on the prequels and their messed up timeline, probably a weekend
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Jan 2, 2017 15:02
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I said come in! posted:What is the time line of Rogue One at the start of the movie? When Jyn is just a child, how long has the empire been in control? 22 years before R1/ANH - Clone Wars start (Episode 2). Jyn Orso born. 19 years before R1/ANH - Clone Wars end (Episode 3). Palpatine becomes Emperor. 13 years before R1/ANH - Jyn's mother is killed, father is kidnapped.
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Jan 2, 2017 16:03
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Calaveron posted:Honestly, based on the prequels and their messed up timeline, probably a weekend I'm looking at a timeline on wookiepedia now (because this is what my life has become), and the period around TFA seems pretty hosed up also. Like, General Hux is supposed to have created the training-from-birth Stormtrooper program, but apparently he did that when >11 years old? 
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Jan 2, 2017 17:39
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Radio! posted:I'm looking at a timeline on wookiepedia now (because this is what my life has become), and the period around TFA seems pretty hosed up also. Like, General Hux is supposed to have created the training-from-birth Stormtrooper program, but apparently he did that when >11 years old? He does seem really young. TFA is suppose to be like 30 years after Return of the Jedi.
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Jan 2, 2017 17:41
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Doesn't Galen repeatedly say that the flaw he introduced was ensuring the destruction of the reactor core would destroy the whole Death Star? I'm quite confident that the words "exhaust port" were never uttered in the film. It could theoretically have been done just as well by a suicide squad infiltrating the Death Star with a bag of thermal detonators.
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Jan 2, 2017 18:00
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I'm of the mind that I think Disney will either remove the prequels or retcon them so heavily they won't matter anymore. And with this many decent start wars movies I won't have to bother showing my kids the prequels. Also, I'm pretty sure on the bug planet they show the plans for the deathstar. I guess krenics people already had designed it and now they needed to build it? It's just easier if you forget the prequels ever happened.
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Jan 2, 2017 18:38
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Optimus_Rhyme posted:I'm of the mind that I think Disney will either remove the prequels or retcon them so heavily they won't matter anymore. And with this many decent start wars movies I won't have to bother showing my kids the prequels. Theyre profitable, provide fodder for other types of star wars, and keep getting referenced in the Disney films so they may get a reboot but even that seems unlikely and a waste of effort given the overall health of the brand.
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Jan 2, 2017 18:47
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MeinPanzer posted:After watching it three times and thinking it over, I think this movie could have been hugely improved with theee fairly simple changes: More importantly, they hosed up Vader in this film. Bear with me on this... here's what they SHOULD have done: 1- Not show Vader at all in the Trailers. Keep some clips where he's referred to and let people wonder if he'll be in the movie or not. Keep it a heavily guarded secret that he's in the film at all. 2- Cut the pointless trip to Mustafar with Vader's fortress. While it had some cool touches like Vader chilling in a bacta bath (though that ruins a lot of the mystery and suspense of Vader as Vader and reminds you he's a burnt up old man), the dad joke was stupid and Krennic literally flew all the way to Mustafar just to have Vader glare at him and say, "we're keeping the Death Star a secret," even though they'd been building it for 20+ years at that point and someone probably should have noticed the diverted funds in the budget or something, just saying. Yes it drove home that Vader had the authority and respect and i]could[/i] just summon whoever halfway across the galaxy and they'd come just to have him tell them to shut the gently caress up and stop whining for 5 minutes, but for the purposes of the film it was a pointlessly redundant scene that ruined the ending. 3- Leave the final scene as is. What this would have done was add a layer of mystery to Vader's existence in the film or not... he'd be spoken of from the sides, referred to as this great big bogeyman. The audience would have been sitting there wondering if we even get to see him, which culminates at the final 10 minutes of the film when Tarkin says, "Lord Vader will deal with them," and then it cuts to the gantry to the Tantive IV. The hall goes black with smoke and we hear the breathing and that lightsaber igniting is FINALLY our first look at Vader in this film, and then he proceeds to rock the poo poo out of a bunch of Rebels and kick rear end. Give him one or two lines as he's standing there and the Tantive IV is flying away, leave it at that. If they had done it that way, people would have lost their loving minds and a large number of criticisms of the movie would have been completely overshadowed by the pure unbridled and awesome surprise of that final set of scenes leading directly into ANH. It would have been up there with Vader revealing he's Luke's father at the end of ESB, it would have been ALL that people were talking about with this film, for months to come. People would line up even more than they already are, to see the film again simply for those last ten minutes. Hollywood's gotten really terrible at leaving the audience in suspense and not showing all of their cards in the last decade... there was a solid opportunity with this film to completely blow people away with how Vader was handled, and what we got was a half measure with a hefty dose of mediocre fan service. I can see Disney execs arguing, "We have to show Vader, then they'll come see the film!" in some board room, completely ignorant of the fact that it's a loving Star Wars movie, people will come see it regardless, and when they hear in hushed-yet-awestruck tones from other people about how goddamn amazing the last 10 minutes are, the film would blow up and the whole social media axis of spoilery would lose its goddamn minds showering the film with praise simply for that 10 minute money shot of excellence that erased most people's memories of a really muddled and slapdash first half with a film devoted to a half dozen literal throwaway characters with very little depth and even less development.
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Jan 2, 2017 19:24
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Optimus_Rhyme posted:I'm of the mind that I think Disney will either remove the prequels or retcon them so heavily they won't matter anymore. And with this many decent start wars movies I won't have to bother showing my kids the prequels. I love people repeatedly saying this like some sort of invocation, as if Disney isn't going to transition to a prequel-slanted plan in 10 years when you age out of the key demographic and the kids who grew up with them age in.
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Jan 2, 2017 20:28
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Optimus_Rhyme posted:I'm of the mind that I think Disney will either remove the prequels or retcon them so heavily they won't matter anymore. And with this many decent start wars movies I won't have to bother showing my kids the prequels. Clone Wars and Rebels are more popular than the movies with the current generation of toy wanters. The prequels are good and here to stay
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Jan 2, 2017 20:33
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Fuzz posted:Hollywood's gotten really terrible at leaving the audience in suspense and not showing all of their cards in the last decade... I recommend watching some old trailers if you think giving everything away is even remotely new.
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Jan 2, 2017 20:57
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A True Jar Jar Fan posted:I recommend watching some old trailers if you think giving everything away is even remotely new. It's been a continual process, but it's gotten totally egregious lately. Back in the 70s and 80s the trailers were often extremely vague on the style of the film, and the aforementioned secret of Luke's paternity was actually something they kept a secret until the film came out. There was a literal row about Star Trek 2 because Spock's death was leaked out and was meant to be a secret, such that they went back and reshot the entire opening to have the Kobayashi Maru sequence where Spock "dies" to throw people off. Studios gave a poo poo about the complete experience for the audience back then.
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Jan 2, 2017 22:00
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Radio! posted:I'm looking at a timeline on wookiepedia now (because this is what my life has become), and the period around TFA seems pretty hosed up also. Like, General Hux is supposed to have created the training-from-birth Stormtrooper program, but apparently he did that when >11 years old? Hux is supposed to be in his mid 30s right? Where was it stated that he created the program? If so yeah that's a really hosed timeline.
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Jan 2, 2017 22:24
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Fuzz posted:It's been a continual process, but it's gotten totally egregious lately. Back in the 70s and 80s the trailers were often extremely vague on the style of the film, and the aforementioned secret of Luke's paternity was actually something they kept a secret until the film came out. There was a literal row about Star Trek 2 because Spock's death was leaked out and was meant to be a secret, such that they went back and reshot the entire opening to have the Kobayashi Maru sequence where Spock "dies" to throw people off. lol trailers in the 80s were a voice-over that laid the entire plot of the film out, including a lot of spoilers. "Studies gave a poo poo" only about money and ticket sales. Also I know everyone is nutting over the final scene with Vader (which wasn't that bad after seeing it a second time -- was still something out of a fan film though), but my favorite nerd porn in the entire thing was when the entire Rebel fleet comes out of hyperspace at the same time. That scene with the swell of the music / trumpets -- major "Oh face."
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Jan 2, 2017 22:26
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jisforjosh posted:Hux is supposed to be in his mid 30s right? Where was it stated that he created the program? If so yeah that's a really hosed timeline. Hux could be a baby-faced 40-year old. And is there something in one of the books that says exactly when he started the program? Probably didn't start immediately after the Battle of Endor...
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Jan 2, 2017 22:27
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jisforjosh posted:Hux is supposed to be in his mid 30s right? Where was it stated that he created the program? If so yeah that's a really hosed timeline. I thought it was his dad's?
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Jan 2, 2017 22:46
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Radio! posted:I'm looking at a timeline on wookiepedia now (because this is what my life has become), and the period around TFA seems pretty hosed up also. Like, General Hux is supposed to have created the training-from-birth Stormtrooper program, but apparently he did that when >11 years old? Hodgepodge posted:I thought it was his dad's? Yep. Wookiepedia posted:Prior to The Force Awakens's release, a character named Brendol Hux was introduced in Servants of the Empire: The Secret Academy, a young readers' book by Jason Fry that serves as a tie-in to the television program Star Wars Rebels. In the book, Brendol Hux reveals his ambition to create an army of soldiers loyal to the Galactic Empire from birth.[19] A StarWars.com Databank entry later revealed that Brendol Hux is General Hux's father,[4] and Star Wars: The Force Awakens: The Visual Dictionary went on to confirm that Hux's army of stormtroopers in the film—trained from infancy to be loyal to the First Order—are an extension of his father's group, the Commandant's Cadets.[7] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Armitage_Hux
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The one thing that didn't quite sit well with me with this movie was the constant injection of "just one more crisis". I read a review of The Day After Tomorrow that described this plot progression in disaster movies where the current problem constantly "zooms in" from a macro to a micro scale: first there's a huge, world-ending typhoon the size of Canada, so you gotta survive the flooding, and then you gotta survive the blizzard conditions, and then you gotta survive the wolves that escape from a zoo, and then you gotta survive the nasty cut you picked up from a car door without antibiotics, and so on and so forth right down to having to save the last lit fireplace in Arctic New York. In this case, I had bought everything right up to the data being transmitted back up to the fleet, but by the time it got to the door to the airlock being stuck so that they couldn't physically pass-on the data disc, it started to feel contrived.
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Whoops, you're right. I got all the Huxes mixed up. Also there's a character named "Mercurial Swift" mentioned in that article and lol if that isn't the most Star Wars name ever.
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I really did enjoy the visuals from this movie. Compare this version of mustafar:  to this:  One looks like it came from an x-treme video game. The other just looks like its a castle on some planet with volcanoes. Looks way more grounded.
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I'm pretty sure those visuals served a purpose in RotS. Anakin's fall wasn't handled that well, but making the set where he fights Obi-wan more "grounded" would have been another mistake.
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gradenko_2000 posted:In this case, I had bought everything right up to the data being transmitted back up to the fleet, but by the time it got to the door to the airlock being stuck so that they couldn't physically pass-on the data disc, it started to feel contrived. I don't think it matters how it was passed on in that scene, because the result is the same regardless. Either a soldier passes it through the gap as in the movie, or a guy runs through before the airlock closes. The difference between the two is that the movie version retains the hope for the plans to get passed on without deflating the tension.
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THORIUM posted:lol trailers in the 80s were a voice-over that laid the entire plot of the film out, including a lot of spoilers. "Studies gave a poo poo" only about money and ticket sales. New York Times, 9 months before ANH came out posted:And although the sets have been closed to visitors to protect the special effects against possible piracy, Lucas is willing to reveal a bit of the plot.
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Hodgepodge posted:I'm pretty sure those visuals served a purpose in RotS. Anakin's fall wasn't handled that well, but making the set where he fights Obi-wan more "grounded" would have been another mistake. yeah, the purpose was to not have to go on site anywhere real and do everything in a nice temperature controlled sound stage. And to show of all the cool cg work ILM could do. and to have this, i guess: 
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Optimus_Rhyme posted:One looks like it came from an x-treme video game. The other just looks like its a castle on some planet with volcanoes. Looks way more grounded. This is an incredibly stupid loving thing to say and I want you to sit in the corner and think about what you did.
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Honestly I wish Star Wars stopped with a New Hope and no more Star Wars was ever made after that.
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Yo how do C3PO and R2D2 get from their clumsy cameo about getting left behind at the Yavin base to being on the blockade runner at the beginning of ANH?
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