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Earth Final Conflict and Andromeda both always felt, to me, like half-baked Star Trek spinoff ideas with the numbers filed off. Replace the Taelons with the Vulcans and do a find/replace on Andromeda scripts with the Commonwealth being the Federation stand-in, the Nietzscheans as the Klingons, the Magog are the Borg, and I imagine the Vedrans as the Vulcans. Hell, I always thought the concept of Andromeda would have made a loving fantastic Trek series.
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Yea, the basic concept of a high tech ship reappearing during a technological dark age would be pretty nifty.
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I think 40k's done that a lot.
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It was widely believed at one point that Majel Barret came up with Andromeda and Final Cornflake and sold them as Roddenbarry creations.
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Rhyno posted:It was widely believed at one point that Majel Barret came up with Andromeda and Final Cornflake and sold them as Roddenbarry creations. I kinda assumed that at one point too. Is there any evidence to prove/disprove this theory?
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EvilTaytoMan posted:I kinda assumed that at one point too. Is there any evidence to prove/disprove this theory? There was but I'll be damned if I can find it at this point.
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EvilTaytoMan posted:I kinda assumed that at one point too. Is there any evidence to prove/disprove this theory? I remember SFX Magazine hinting heavily that this was the case waaaaayyyyy back when it was still airing.
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I randomly bought it on Kindle the other day, and I'd like to recommend the book Q&A. It's quite good, feathers in a ton of other TNG stuff (including some of my favorite episodes) and doesn't overstay its welcome.
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Andromeda, at least in the first season, was really really good. When Sorbo took over and Sorbo'd it all up, it got pretty lame. Basically after the first season or so, they decided "hey, that whole series long overarching plot about putting the  There were still a few good episodes down the line though, like the one where they show an alternate history where his First Officer survives and goes to the future instead. Also in the beginning the worldbuilding was some of the most amazing I'd ever seen. They launched with a website that spelled out hundreds of years of future history. They had very distinctive ships, uniforms, and weapons that were different from the norm at the time. A big missed opportunity.
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The series itself may or may not have been cooked up by someone else but the general concept had been kicked around by Roddenberry since the 70's, including the main characters name.
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Yeah, Dylan Hunt being a man out of time was one of Genes brainworms over his life. John Saxon played him in some movie in the 70s, but I'm unsure if that movie ever released. Majel probably developed the shows we saw, sure, but based off Genes notes and passion projects.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:John Saxon played him in some movie in the 70s, but I'm unsure if that movie ever released. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRlQF_FZvqI The other parts are there as well.
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twistedmentat posted:Wasn't Andromeda supposed to be based on the post Federation galaxy? I'd love to see a what would basically be a post apocalyptic Trek show, though Dylan Hunt sounds like a porn star. While I like the idea of Andromeda as a Star Trek show, watching seven years of DS9 culminate in the Federation being conquered would have been a pretty unsatisfying ending, and the premise of a lone Federation ship on there on its own would have probably been too similar to Voyager to air at the same time. Especially considering how confused casual viewers would have been by the time difference between the shows. I think the idea would have worked best if you left when and what exactly caused the Federation to fall as a mystery, at least at the start of the show.
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dont even fink about it posted:2) Gene meddled with scripts incessantly on every Star Trek project he ever worked on, which drove pretty much everybody with any real-world knowledge of how these things should work absolutely nuts. This reminds me of another fun tidbit from the first book; Harve Bennett corroborated Bob Justman's account of Harlan Ellison writing impossibly costly material for television.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Plot summary: This really sounds like an anime plot. Maybe Gene was just born in the wrong country?
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Cat Hatter posted:This really sounds like an anime plot. Maybe Gene was just born in the wrong country? 
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He went from back to front moments after that picture was taken.
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MorgaineDax posted:He went from back to front moments after that picture was taken. oh. Oh God.
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Scotty is in that movie in the bittest of bit parts. Not a cameo, just a really lovely part.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:John Saxon played him in some movie in the 70s, John Saxon makes everything better. Can you imagine him in his prime as the Captain in a Star Trek Series? That would've been aces!
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Phimosissy posted:Scotty is in that movie in the bittest of bit parts. I looked it up and William Campbell is in it too. Now I want to watch it, though the sensible part of my brain says not to.
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Tikifire posted:John Saxon makes everything better. Oh man, you just broke my heart.
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It's a hell of a thing, like he's talking up the existential brilliance of "Robot Monster"
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Q_res posted:Earth Final Conflict and Andromeda both always felt, to me, like half-baked Star Trek spinoff ideas with the numbers filed off. Replace the Taelons with the Vulcans and do a find/replace on Andromeda scripts with the Commonwealth being the Federation stand-in, the Nietzscheans as the Klingons, the Magog are the Borg, and I imagine the Vedrans as the Vulcans. The basic plot of Andromeda would have been a much better set up for Voyager than a single ship lost far from home. A cutting edge Federation vessel is flung in to a far future where the alpha quadrant races have decayed in to a dark age; the crew of the
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I liked how the first couple seasons of Andromeda had space randians as the bad guys. They had a huge multi-cultural statist federation with guaranteed services and a high quality of life. Some rand worshipping and nietzsche misinterpreting space libertarians think the galaxy would be better if the "natural ruling elites" took charge and destroyed the statist government that was stealing from them to support welfare moms. Surely if this system was overturned it would usher in a new golden age. The space libertarians get their way and the galaxy descends into a dark age of slavery and slaver warlords fighting each other. Hunt has to re-establish the basic concept of a federal state and "men with guns" that enforce people's basic human rights. The whole thing I interpreted as having a very anti-libertarian slant to it, showing the horrible barbaric universe that would emerge where everyone is worse off. I mean they show Tier reading Ayn Rand a couple times or it being on his shelf. Then Sorbo, a right wing christian conservative takes over and suddenly his beloved commonwealth is corrupt and useless and mired in bureaucracy, corrupted by literal devil worshippers and is trying to stop him from doing the right thing so he has to go off and become a lone wolf fighting for what's right and "forces of light".
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I loved that they had Tyr grappling with his feelings of loyalty and friendship for his shipmates and his randian self interest and still managed to make him the most likable character on the whole show
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Tighclops posted:I loved that they had Tyr grappling with his feelings of loyalty and friendship for his shipmates and his randian self interest and still managed to make him the most likable character on the whole show Until they just made him an outright bad guy because he had been corrupted by satan and only a small group of pure godly warriors can see through the devil's lies.
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Tears In A Vial posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci41xc6-148 Tikifire posted:I looked it up and William Campbell is in it too. Now I want to watch it, though the sensible part of my brain says not to. Yeah, probably don't. It's really bad. The only possible mitigation is boobs, but they're always in very nearly the creepiest contexts possible. It's a very leery, rapey movie. More upskirts than any non-anime, in all likelihood.
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Pakled posted:At first I thought "eh, there's nothing special about this." This happened to me with a mobile game ad. It took me some time to realize that the gimmick of the ad wasn't that the camera was pointing away from all the excitement going on.
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Baronjutter posted:What is that adorable box ship at the start? I think it's one of these: http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Antares_type
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Baronjutter posted:What is that adorable box ship at the start? 
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Phimosissy posted:Neato. I didn't know youtube could do that. If you view it on a compatible mobile phone you can pop it in google cardboard or whatever and look around.
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Payndz posted:It's a ship that, since this is an official Star Trek promo, makes TAS canon again! Hell yeah. Giant Spock still lives!
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Payndz posted:It's a ship that, since this is an official Star Trek promo, makes TAS canon again! It was in the background of some TOS episodes. Sorry.
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I watched Voyager in syndication every night in high school, but never any other Trek except the newer movies. I got interested and I'm watching all of it in release order, in the middle of the animated series now. This poo poo is a slog to get through, and Majel Barrett was really bad at doing cartoon voices. I did appreciate though in one episode Nurse Chapel is talking to the computer, and Nichelle Nichols is voicing the computer so Majel doesn't have to very obviously be talking to herself.
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