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hampig posted:Well this is exactly what they've done. Most skills look like they have multiple uses or alternate fire modes now. Also everyone can combo reliably with separate cooldowns. I mean it leaves a fuckton of powers in the realm of 'why would you ever take this' now though. Cryo Blast, Throw, Shockwave, Nova, Sentry Turret, Concussive Shot, the grenade skills are all now 'why ever bother' because they're all super situational and not as widely useful as things like Charge/Warp/Singularity/Overload etc. And if ammo powers count it just feels even shittier.
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Planning on waiting a bit before buying this. I mean goon reviews have only put me on to one game that I didn't enjoy overall so will wait to see what others think. Does anyone know why humanity is fleeing our own galaxy for parts unknown?
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Josef bugman posted:Planning on waiting a bit before buying this. I mean goon reviews have only put me on to one game that I didn't enjoy overall so will wait to see what others think. Ostensibly on an exploration mission, probably as a secret insurance to get some people out before the Reaper invasion.
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Zore posted:Ostensibly on an exploration mission, probably as a secret insurance to get some people out before the Reaper invasion. Well I just hope this a bit lower stake than "End of all life in the galaxy". Maybe just all life from our own will be okay.
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hampig posted:Well this is exactly what they've done. Most skills look like they have multiple uses or alternate fire modes now. Also everyone can combo reliably with separate cooldowns. And being able to switch out skills may allow you to even mix and match party members and still keep party synergy
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hampig posted:Well this is exactly what they've done. Most skills look like they have multiple uses or alternate fire modes now. Also everyone can combo reliably with separate cooldowns. I'd like to be able to roll solo sometimes, but I understand that squad stuff is ME's thing. I would have lots more fun as a shotgun/melee infiltrator if my squadmates didn't draw aggro while I'm cloaked which makes enemies attack and hit me in the crossfire anyway.
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Zore posted:I mean it leaves a fuckton of powers in the realm of 'why would you ever take this' now though. Yeah I mean I understand the concern especially with ammo powers, but broadly the restrictions are going to lead to a greater variety of builds, and I reckon you'll be able to find room for situational skills on squadmates. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the alt-fire modes were pretty situational as well. I'd even argue that gameplay might be more interesting when, say, you have to take down a mini-boss with your restricted skill set rather than throwing a grenade at it like any other mook and then moving on, or maybe you'll have to choose between breadth or having 3 copies of overload to trivialise every shield in the game. It boils down to how well they implement it really. Mind you, I wouldn't complain if there was a grenade/ammo power utility slot, but I probably also wouldn't miss it.
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They've already shown that ammunition is its own thing now and not a power. For the amount of bitching and worrying people are doing, they're not even looking at what's been presented.
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Codependent Poster posted:They've already shown that ammunition is its own thing now and not a power. Mass Effect Andromeda is definitely going to be bad because I have imagined it to be bad
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Oh man, we're entering the realm of 'The Division' now. 80% of the abilities are useless in that game because you're only able to carry two and some are always objectively better than others if you can't combo them. Course, the same thing happened to Dragon Age, you had an entire bar of commands to use depending on the situation, then they shat all over you in DA:I and only gave you what, four? I distinctly remember pressing the same four buttons in a row for every single godamn fight as a rogue because there's no need to react to enemy composition, just dps until everything dies. Soon we'll have no abilities, and you'll just tap one finger the screen to do all commands because it would be too hard for players on cell-phones and we don't want to exclude gamers right?
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I thought the eight ability limit in DAI was actually good for focusing you towards unique builds and limiting bloat. I remember in DA2 and DAO I ended up with bunches of skills that were on my bar but were functionally useless. You have to make some tough choices sometimes, but it ends up feeling as though your character has a sort of combat theme and is good at specific things, which I liked. It helps that almost all of the available abilities are powerful, viable choices that have various points of synergy with other abilities, so you can make cool builds built around several weird powers that work well together. Eight is a lot different from three, though.
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Well this took a turn. If you can switch loadouts on the fly, that seems like it will make up for "only" having three abilities in a cover shooter.
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Number Ten Cocks posted:If you can only have three active abilities then mixing between tech/combat/biotic trees loses a lot of luster since your "profile" specialization won't provide bonuses to 1/3 or 2/3 of your abilities. Maybe the "Explorer" profile will provide bonuses for mixing abilities?
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Android Blues posted:I thought the eight ability limit in DAI was actually good for focusing you towards unique builds and limiting bloat. I remember in DA2 and DAO I ended up with bunches of skills that were on my bar but were functionally useless. You have to make some tough choices sometimes, but it ends up feeling as though your character has a sort of combat theme and is good at specific things, which I liked. My main gripe with DAI's eight slot limit was that you had to spend one of them to get access to your focus bar. The new special ability/button combo they introduced in Trespasser is how stuff like Mark of the Rift should've worked all along.
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Android Blues posted:I thought the eight ability limit in DAI was actually good for focusing you towards unique builds and limiting bloat. I remember in DA2 and DAO I ended up with bunches of skills that were on my bar but were functionally useless. You have to make some tough choices sometimes, but it ends up feeling as though your character has a sort of combat theme and is good at specific things, which I liked. Ultimately it depends on the complexity of the situations you're put in. DAO wouldn't have bloat spells if there was a purpose for every spell depending on the enemy composition. They just happened to make some synergy spells that broke the game over it's back, and make having 10+ spells pointless. When you start getting under four abilities in a game, then it loses its complexity and becomes a shooter where you occasionally get to press a button for a flashy effect before hiding behind cover and popping out to shoot things again (The Division.)
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Deakul posted:no you don't get it i have to steal their knickers and throw bees everywhere lol!!!!!!! Throwing bees everywhere proved a very strong tactic if you put some research into the bee grenades.
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I'll never get tired of this habit goons have of judging a game by the standards of a completely different game.
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Rinkles posted:Did DAI have controller support on the PC? World prefer to play this with a pad. You pretty much had to play with controller because the KB+M controls were awful.
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Mass Effect started as a straight RPG, and some people will never get over the fact that it is now an action RPG or RPG lite shooter.
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You should be able to just give up your grenade or your weapon or whatever and use those buttons for more active powers.
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sweet geek swag posted:Mass Effect started as a straight RPG, and some people will never get over the fact that it is now an action RPG or RPG lite shooter. true. I tried going back to ME1 and its loving slog. everything feels blocky and unintuitive. the story is still good same with the characters, but holy moly the gameplay.
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Ferrinus posted:My main gripe with DAI's eight slot limit was that you had to spend one of them to get access to your focus bar. The new special ability/button combo they introduced in Trespasser is how stuff like Mark of the Rift should've worked all along. I totally agree 100% and this is my big problem with the system as well. That, plus the fact that Mark of the Rift is so good that it outstrips most of the specialisation focus powers, so unless you're playing one of the specialisations with a really strong focus ability, you just end up with the same limit break taking up a slot on your bar for the majority of the game. This of course limits how much you can experiment with your skill loadout, which could have really used that extra slot for breathing room.
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Did they add controller support for ME3 on PC? I seem to remember it not being there when I first played and I want to run through it again before Andromeda.
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Serf posted:Did they add controller support for ME3 on PC? I seem to remember it not being there when I first played and I want to run through it again before Andromeda. None of the Mass Effect games on PC have controller support. All three finally have working mods for it though, note that they literally remove the PC parts of the interface and replace them with the console interface, so set your graphics settings first because that menu doesn't exist after you've installed the mod. Andromeda is going to be the first ME game on PC with controller support out of the non-existent box.
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BrianWilly posted:Ryders' voice-actors. Being quippy. my reaction The marketing for this game is bizarre.
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Android Blues posted:There was like two hours of gameplay footage leading up to DAI's release, featuring stuff from Redcliffe, the Hinterlands, Crestwood, and the Fallow Mire in a fair amount of detail (some of which was changed later, admittedly). So far for Andromeda we've seen about a cumulative three minutes of actual play. In DAI, the content was clearly there and they weren't afraid to show it off. With how underwhelming what we have seen is, it just feels like they maybe don't have anything cool or interesting to show us. What gets me, AB, is that a lot of their footage is piggybacking on other things. For example, the Sony video and the GeForce seminar yesterday. So much of it is this idea of 'watch this thing and catch exclusive Andromeda gameplay' which turns out to be (in the case of the GeForce thing) three minutes of someone going through a menu and shooting dudes. Don't most BIoware games generally let you know who the cast of maybe-fuckable dudes and dudettes are by this point? I'm pretty sure with ME2 we knew who the whole party was, same with ME3, DA:I...
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The old leak with the jet pack is probably the most compelling marketing material Andromeda has.
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Zore posted:I mean it leaves a fuckton of powers in the realm of 'why would you ever take this' now though.
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Rinkles posted:The old leak with the jet pack is probably the most compelling marketing material Andromeda has. The fact that the jet pack doesn't appear to be a free movement flight/hover mode but instead is just a scripted jump forward is so sad after how juicy that leak sounded.
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Android Blues posted:The fact that the jet pack doesn't appear to be a free movement flight/hover mode but instead is just a scripted jump forward is so sad after how juicy that leak sounded. WHAT.
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Rinkles posted:WHAT. The gameplay trailer before the most recent one has a segment where Ryder jump packs over some acid in order to harvest a mineral on the other side. It looks like a short, fixed distance hop.
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Android Blues posted:The gameplay trailer before the most recent one has a segment where Ryder jump packs over some acid in order to harvest a mineral on the other side. It looks like a short, fixed distance hop. Maybe there's an upgrade, maybe they just wanted to make a small hop. I'm not giving up hope yet.
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Milky Moor posted:What gets me, AB, is that a lot of their footage is piggybacking on other things. For example, the Sony video and the GeForce seminar yesterday. So much of it is this idea of 'watch this thing and catch exclusive Andromeda gameplay' which turns out to be (in the case of the GeForce thing) three minutes of someone going through a menu and shooting dudes. Not even three minutes, it's literally one minute twenty seconds of menu browsing and shooting drones. The rest is "ship flying through space/landing" cutscenes. Seems scary. I still hope the game will be good, though. Maybe their marketing plan is just weird.
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Android Blues posted:The gameplay trailer before the most recent one has a segment where Ryder jump packs over some acid in order to harvest a mineral on the other side. It looks like a short, fixed distance hop. did you really expect any more? It took until DAI to even get the amazing advancement known as z-axis player movement
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Rinkles posted:Maybe there's an upgrade, maybe they just wanted to make a small hop. I'm not giving up hope yet. On phone, can't dig up the quote, but a Bioware dev said the intent is short range traversal with an arc. Might change but I wouldn't count on it.
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Join the Pathfinder, Defaultprofile Ryder, as he explores the unknown in Mass Effect: Andromeda
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Android Blues posted:The gameplay trailer before the most recent one has a segment where Ryder jump packs over some acid in order to harvest a mineral on the other side. It looks like a short, fixed distance hop. It's not just a simple jump forward, but it's not a hover mode either. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsdYjQgcFHA&t=98s First he jumps diagonally forward, dashes, then turns and jumps up and back. I mean he's suspended in the air for a bit, but he's not exactly Pharah.
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