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MisterBibs posted:You can't have Batman without Joker, though. Even if you set aside the thematic dichotomy of the two characters, he's part and parcel of the product. On the other hand, the Joker is the worst Batman villain, and the series would be better without him.
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FactsAreUseless posted:The time has come for Clock King. Kite man! Hell yeah! The recent batman comics have a bunch of the sillier characters showing up. Hell, condiment king was in this month's issue.
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The Lego Batman movie seems to be going all in with the weird and obscure characters. I'd like an Arkham-style game where you go fight Eraserhead and Catman and the like. Have a ton of Batman variants too. And a game that takes place over a year and is Batman vs Calendar man and he has a plot for every single day you have to foil. Some more elaborate than others. Then give it a leap-year add-on where he pops up on the 29th of February and does something particularly ridiculous.
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John Murdoch posted:In the same way you'll never see Poison Ivy as Batman, he shows back up as the final boss for Catwoman. And not a very good one at that, since it's basically a clumsy prototype for stuff Knight would do better way later - a predator encounter where Two Face has a large health bar so you have to thin out the guards, then beat on him a bunch, then run away before everyone in the room tries to shoot you. Except to make the encounter work, the guards infinitely respawn. And it takes place in one of the crappier predator rooms. FactsAreUseless posted:The time has come for Clock King. Can't wait for the DVD extras being a three hour reel of everyone accidentally calling him Cock King.
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Been playing some Wind Waker HD, and while there are some improvements (the tablet as the item/map screen REALLY helps) I feel like they may have screwed with the enemy movement somehow? In the first dungeon I ran into one problem with a fire centipede that whenever I hit it, got knocked back into the lava (had to douse it with a water jug to actually get rid of it and I'm pretty sure I didn't have to do that in the GC version), and I noticed a few times enemies would circle back way out of reach after getting hit, one of the moblins managed to drop his sword off a bridge before I did anything, a few other weird glitches. Maybe I'm just misremembering? Hasn't been that long.
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McDragon posted:The Lego Batman movie seems to be going all in with the weird and obscure characters. I'd like an Arkham-style game where you go fight Eraserhead and Catman and the like. Have a ton of Batman variants too. i dont know if you noticed but in arkham city if you enter the courthouse and talk to calendar man he will say different things depending on what day it is
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Yes, he has these wonderful rhymes and anecdotes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKeoACNx7_I
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MisterBibs posted:You can't have Batman without Joker, though. Even if you set aside the thematic dichotomy of the two characters, he's part and parcel of the product. I dunno if anyone else has seen the ctrl alt del meme where you remove the two middle panels and it makes the comic funny, but the joker is the two middle panels in this analogy.
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MisterBibs posted:You can't have Batman without Joker, though. Even if you set aside the thematic dichotomy of the two characters, he's part and parcel of the product. You're the guy who thinks that super mutants being ugly green orcs with zero actual motivation is core to the Fallout series. Your judgement of what is thematically important to a piece of fiction is noticeably shaky.
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The Telltale Batman series was a great Batman story that worked without the Joker. They forced him into a cameo, but still.
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Mierenneuker posted:Yes, he has these wonderful rhymes and anecdotes. I didn't check this vid, but didn't Calendar Man have something to say on a leap day also? I remember reading that somewhat recently, and it hadn't been discovered in years.
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Olaf The Stout posted:I didn't check this vid, but didn't Calendar Man have something to say on a leap day also? I remember reading that somewhat recently, and it hadn't been discovered in years. is the game checking the system clock for the date and time? you could probably adjust your console to a leap day and find out.
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Somfin posted:You're the guy who thinks that super mutants being ugly green orcs with zero actual motivation is core to the Fallout series. Yes, that's another example of me being right in properly understanding the core traits of a property, very much akin to how if you ignore the Joker for too long, your audience will start asking "where the hell is Joker".
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MisterBibs posted:Yes, that's another example of me being right in properly understanding the core traits of a property, very much akin to how if you ignore the Joker for too long, your audience will start asking "where the hell is Joker". Didn't you also think the super mutants from 3 were better than they were in 1 and 2, AKA basically radioactice orcs vs having actual motivations that aren't RIP AND TEAR..
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Slime posted:Didn't you also think the super mutants from 3 were better than they were in 1 and 2, AKA basically radioactice orcs vs having actual motivations that aren't RIP AND TEAR.. He did, but It's Misterbibs, man. You just gotta let him go. Content: I like trails in the sky, but I really wish I could set what tile my characters finish on when I tell them to go attack something. Positioning matters!
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Slime posted:Didn't you also think the super mutants from 3 were better than they were in 1 and 2, AKA basically radioactice orcs vs having actual motivations that aren't RIP AND TEAR.. No, I was the one reminding people they should prolly replay 1 if they thought those Super Mutants were anything but Rip and Tear orcs in metal armor, even back then. Dumb brutes who thought their leader's name was Lou Tennant, thought they were performing magic with FEV and got sad when they ran out of things to moo-tate, and were dumb as bricks orcs when they showed up in random events for you to knock over with no remorse. All of which, again, was entirely accurate. I think I might've said something to the fact that the only real difference between the two groups was who's developer name was on the box (and which developer you'll excuse and which one you'll condone), but I can't remember. Dumbass Super Mutants in Fallout, Joker in Batman, porn on the Internet. Cant have the lack of them without people eventually wondering where they are. MisterBibs has a new favorite as of 00:31 on Jan 6, 2017 |
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STALKER the Brain Scorcher was really underwhelming. the X Lab "boss" fight was well paced but the area leading up to the Scorcher gets increasingly annoying when you have to deal with the Monolith soldiers and the psychic projections that can sneak up on you (thank gently caress they don't persist in the Scorcher), and all it takes is like one lever to disable the thing that locks you out of the final area.
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MisterBibs posted:No, I was the one reminding people they should prolly replay 1 if they thought those Super Mutants were anything but Rip and Tear orcs in metal armor, even back then. Dumb brutes who thought their leader's name was Lou Tennant, thought they were performing magic with FEV and got sad when they ran out of things to moo-tate, and were dumb as bricks orcs when they showed up in random events for you to knock over with no remorse. All of which, again, was entirely accurate.
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MisterBibs posted:Yes, that's another example of me being right in properly understanding the core traits of a property, very much akin to how if you ignore the Joker for too long, your audience will start asking "where the hell is Joker". "no one agrees with me and everyone thinks im a moron, it must be because of how correct i am" - a moron
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:what did you think of Rogue One and its lack of Jedi RO was fine. It had a Jedi doing what Jedi do to non-Jedi.
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Getting back to roguelikes, a lot of people find that Nuclear Throne is the best action roguelike, and for a while I thought the same too, but of the 'big 3' (Throne, Gungeon and Isaac) I now think that that game is the one to make throw up my hands and go 'that's bullshit' the most. It feels like so many of my games end because the level generation decided to spawn me in the middle of a crowd of robot wolves, Spider tanks and robot apes who all kill me in less than a second. Its really quite aggravating because it feels like I would need superhuman reflexes to deal with these commonly occurring situations effectively, everything jumps down your throat and well aimed shots from certain enemies can kill just about every character from full health in an instant, not to mention situations where you have to try and account for bosses, especially Lil' Hunter, who will show up and turn the whole situation into an utter shitstorm where luck counts more than skill. Its just really annoying because it can feel like you're getting gunned down immediately due to factors you have next to no control over, at least in either Gungeon or Isaac even the most difficult rooms and bosses can take a while to actually kill you because of things like brief invincibility frames after getting hit or because bullets are fairly slow and attacks clearly telegraphed. Not even that far into Throne every corner seems to have what's effectively an instant player death around it, which wears through my patience very quickly.
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khwarezm posted:Getting back to roguelikes, a lot of people find that Nuclear Throne is the best action roguelike, and for a while I thought the same too, but of the 'big 3' (Throne, Gungeon and Isaac) I now think that that game is the one to make throw up my hands and go 'that's bullshit' the most.  it's definitely the game of the three which has the quickest time-to-kill on player and enemies alike, which can be frustrating when it doesn't go your way - on the other hand, when things do go your way, you can kill even the Throne in 10-15 seconds. I murked Lil' Hunter with a single Heavy Crossbow shot the other day as soon as he landed. Then you loop and get hit by a truck immediately.
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:I hit a total roadblock on Lil' Hunter for months and I still think that level in particular can be utter bullshit, but I achieved a zen state a few days ago and can now reach the Throne consistently I've put a fair bit of time into this game and generally I can deal with Hunter, but sometimes the RNG puts me in almost impossible situations when trying to fight him and an armada of other robots and IDPD personnel where a single mistake means death. I just find Throne wears me out in a way the other two games don't, it might help if there was a bit more content, or at least the existing content wasn't heavily gated into the lategame. In comparison Both EtG and BOI have had fairly big content patches recently, though I've heard absolute horror stories about Afterbirth Plus from almost every source. khwarezm has a new favorite as of 02:27 on Jan 6, 2017 |
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Pretty much all of the Batman villains effectiveness depend on how you use them. Bane is cool but that hinges on the writers using the 'real' him, where he's supposed to be a genius level intellect as well as a near giant of a guy, where he can match and try to counteract Batman's usual gadgets and tricks with his own plans and overwhelming strength, but too many times it's easier for them to write VENOMMM Bane instead and so he's just a villainous Hulk with an accent in those instead and it gets old. Joker despite the coming and going wagon on whether he's good or bad, is good and cool provided he's used right, which unfortunately in his case I'd consider meaning 'Doesn't have to be included in every single story' because otherwise he's just naturally wearing out his welcome. He can be a semi-constant thing in Batman's stories, but it's also so easy for them to shoehorn him in for easy recognizable bad guy credit, so you get too much exposure even in stories not about him as the primary antagonist and his whole shtick goes on repeat forever. Also more and more I figure Bibs was the victim of some experimental lobotomy procedure related to seeing how people can perceive media. Also also, in Isaac talk, put Afterbirth+ in the trash, get Antibirth instead, proceed to have fun with Isaac again. Yardbomb has a new favorite as of 02:43 on Jan 6, 2017 |
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Nuclear Throne is a game where the omnipresent threat is just getting bursted to death in half a second. Usually one healing perk is all you need to manage attrition from health loss, but no matter what, you can get owned by an Elite Shielder or the Throne or a radiation bear from full health at maximum level with a Super Crossbow and Energy Sword. It's cathartic to yell bullshit, but really if I had dodged a bit better I'd still be alive. Bad spawn RNG happens, but the best thing to do is try to pick one of the perks that let you mitigate that instant death slightly. Hammerhead is the best, since you can just find a wall and dig into that, but Strong Spirit can give you one more hit of survivability, which is sometimes all you need; and Euphoria can buy you another second before the wall of bullets reaches you. Failing all of those, well, the best defense in NT is a good offense, so hold the trigger down until they're all dead or you are.  It is an exhausting game though, because of how unforgiving it is. And I remember the Lil' Hunter roadblock very well. But nowadays he usually doesn't even hit me. Granted it took me nearly 200 hours to get there. And everything in loop is insanely hard. It's a loving hard game no matter what, but a lot of practice and knowing what situations call for which sort of guns and which perks you want to focus on makes a huge difference. This morning I finally unlocked the B-skin for Melting, which basically requires clearing the game without getting hit even once. It's not a reasonable challenge at all, but the major thing you can do is have a good gun in your hand and something like Hammerhead to buy you that precious breathing room.
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Batman's a series where (in its modern version) it is built on striking out with one main character with literally every other character, good or bad, serving as some kind of foil to the personality and obsessions of crazy man in a bat suit. The Joker's just one facet of a heavily multi-faceted roster of people which serve to refine a single character, and it sucks poo poo that the only major character-analysis angle we have in the Batman games is "crazy vs not crazy, law vs order" instead of exploring Batman's role as a father despite growing up without his parents, or being a man of wealth and privilege vs the poor who were forced into crime, his family's history subverting organized crime families, or his need to match wits with other super geniuses and tackle their opposite ethics while fighting a battle of the mind. I could go a decade without reading the phrase "you're just like me, Bats!" and enjoy Batman just as much, probably more tbh but all the main plots just end up revolving around a dickhead with one of the shallowest oppositions to Batman's personality possible
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MisterBibs posted:You can't have Batman without Joker, though. Even if you set aside the thematic dichotomy of the two characters, he's part and parcel of the product. Batman has so many villains, many of them recognisable to the average non-comics-reading person, that you could have him fight three different villains every time and not even run out of good ones before your series of movies/games inevitably runs out of steam and gets cancelled/rebooted. And the Joker isn't even a particularly good Batman villain. For a start, no two writers agree about his personality, gimmick, appearance, or anything else, so he's basically a new character every time, except that he's always a really shallow character lacking any sort of decent motivation. He's not the worst Batman character (because some of them are just really bad), but there are a lot that are better.
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thecluckmeme posted:Batman's a series where (in its modern version) it is built on striking out with one main character with literally every other character, good or bad, serving as some kind of foil to the personality and obsessions of crazy man in a bat suit. The Joker's just one facet of a heavily multi-faceted roster of people which serve to refine a single character, and it sucks poo poo that the only major character-analysis angle we have in the Batman games is "crazy vs not crazy, law vs order" instead of exploring Batman's role as a father despite growing up without his parents, or being a man of wealth and privilege vs the poor who were forced into crime, his family's history subverting organized crime families, or his need to match wits with other super geniuses and tackle their opposite ethics while fighting a battle of the mind. That's probably because in video games, exploring those would suck. However, Batman is a fictional comic and litterary character, who could have those interesting aspects explored to a much greater degree in those mediums (and has in the case of rich man vs. poor people).
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RyokoTK posted:Nuclear Throne is a game where I loving suck, terribly, at Nuclear Throne, but I still enjoy it. The core gameplay is fast and a near-constant adreniline rush where I'm on the razor's edge half the time. Brigador is similiar, but I suck less and it's slower paced. In my opinion, Nuclear Throne succeeds at making failure fun where Isaac fails in that it's fast paced enough that I'm too busy spinning plates to even think for a bit about how the RNG effected my run. Instead, when I die, that's all forgotten and I'm thinking about that one thing I could have done to succeed, instead of what the game did to make me fail.
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Tiggum posted:Batman has so many villains, many of them recognisable to the average non-comics-reading person, that you could have him fight three different villains every time and not even run out of good ones before your series of movies/games inevitably runs out of steam and gets cancelled/rebooted. I think the idea that the joker isn't a good villain is going too far. If anything the fact that no two writers agree on all of that stuff is a really good thing, it makes him uniquely versatile and as such has been maintained mostly intact for 60 years with tremendous popularity, just think about the various performances given to the character and how they are often so well received and all have their unique spin (except for Jared Leto, sorry Jared). His major boons are the fact that he can be used in so many different contexts and situations and it still feels 'Joker' (note Mark Hamill's joker, same character can be a violent, mass murdering mastermind in the Arkham games or basically a loony tunes character trying to copyright smiling fish in the cartoon and both work well), his humor and appearance are good attributes for a villain because they work against the usual expectations but can be really unsettling when properly used, his contrast with Batman in personality and appearance work well at setting up conflict in stories, and his unpredictability and wild card nature can be a good way to spice up any old batman story that might be getting a bit dull. The only real problem I think exists with him is the fact that he's been increasingly overused and often crowds out other villains through pure star power, people have just seen too much of the drat character at this point. Still he's just such a charismatic character its difficult to avoid him.
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RyokoTK posted:Nuclear Throne is a game where the omnipresent threat is just getting bursted to death in half a second. Usually one healing perk is all you need to manage attrition from health loss, but no matter what, you can get owned by an Elite Shielder or the Throne or a radiation bear from full health at maximum level with a Super Crossbow and Energy Sword. It's cathartic to yell bullshit, but really if I had dodged a bit better I'd still be alive. I overstated the Lil' Hunter thing I think, I can kill him without many problems (last time I saw him I took him down with one click by using YV's special ability and an Assault Slugger, he didn't even fire once!), but the problem emerges from the fact that the level generation can spawn you in extremely open environments with enemies on all sides. That combined with additional factors like Hunter can just make things extremely frustrating. Like I usually apply that 'I could have done X or Y differently and survived, nice one idiot' logic to other difficult Roguelikes I enjoy like EtG, Spelunky or FTL, but I think Throne just crosses my bullshit threshold after a certain point and causes me to think 'oh fantastic, killed in a about half a second by six sliding ape guys coming from three different directions again, great  '. It's hard to muster the 'what could I have done better?' feeling when the answer often seems to be 'gain the reaction time of a Housefly'.I try to be mindful of weapons and perks, but the perks I need often don't present themselves and ammo can be surprisingly problematic at points, it really feels like the game can just kick you in the balls arbitrarily at times by throwing ten plates for you to spin at once. Also, nthing that B-skin for melting, lordy that was difficult, but it was just a little side thing tbf. khwarezm has a new favorite as of 05:40 on Jan 6, 2017 |
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Rise of the Tomb Raider's story recap on the initial loading screen just recapped a part of the story I hadn't gotten to yet.
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ilmucche posted:Content: I like trails in the sky, but I really wish I could set what tile my characters finish on when I tell them to go attack something. Positioning matters! It's such an incredibly minor thing, and so far the game is easy enough it doesn't matter at all, but it annoys me to an indescribable level. Not only do you have a system where I have to move discrete distances in combat, but each hit pushes enemies around. Of course I want to if I can position it so I can knock them back towards my other character to put them in range rather than further away.
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khwarezm posted:The only real problem I think exists with him is the fact that he's been increasingly overused and often crowds out other villains through pure star power, people have just seen too much of the drat character at this point. Still he's just such a charismatic character its difficult to avoid him. this. i don't mind a good joker performance, but i think he's saturated every batman ip right now. i think he needs to be put on the back burner for a bit and let some other batman rogue take the spotlight. finally just finished STALKER and got one of the true endings. that final stretch is such a slog, and the portal gimmick makes it feel very half life 2-ish. i'm not sure if it's in the base game or if zrp added it, but once i beat it i got one last portal to take me back to the cordon and on the way was the same barn you have to assault in the early game. it felt really good to take out the bandits there with endgame equipment by myself. 
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Arkham Origins Spoilers ahead! I was initially really pissed that they made the Joker the mastermind behind the whole plot of the villains getting together to kill Batman plot, but it worked really well as his debut in-universe, and he also ended up not being the biggest threat to batman, with Bane puzzling out his secret identity and wrecking his poo poo. That game had some bad glitches at release, but it's probably my favorite of the Arkham games.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Arkham Origins Spoilers ahead! i stopped playing that game after seeing a really egregious bug. if everything's patched up now, i'll give it another shot. the double grapple gadget is really fun.
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khwarezm posted:I overstated the Lil' Hunter thing I think No you didn't, Lil Hunter needs a good game plan and knowledge of his attack patterns in other to take him down reliably. He's a huge roadblock for a lot of players. But once you get the timing down and realize he doesn't have a ton of health, you can blast him down pretty well with a lot of different weapons. You just can't run away from him because he'll drown you in bullets and cops. The more I hack away at NT though, the more accustomed I get to bad runs where I don't get the weapons or perks I was looking for and have to improvise. And that was a big moment that improved my average game: just because you picked Bolt Marrow doesn't mean you should keep using that stupid heavy crossbow you got in 3-1 just because you haven't seen a better one. Ditch it and deal with the Gatling Slugger for a while, you can make decent headway into loop 1. But world 5 is tough in general and those goddamn yeti bots are terrible. Their hit box is garbage. The best strategy I have is booking it for a choke point as soon as I can if I get a bad spawn since then I at least have a decent chance of hitting my shots.
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Action Tortoise posted:i stopped playing that game after seeing a really egregious bug. if everything's patched up now, i'll give it another shot. the double grapple gadget is really fun. Arkham Origins is still a really buggy game.
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All my bugs were fixed in a day 1 or 2 patch (the radio tower bug in particular). Haven't really heard any complaints since. Nothing like Knight at the very least.
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