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Subyng posted:I feel like making her half Romulan isn't necessary. Unless humans are uniquely the only species that has differences in personality between members, I think it simply being a quirk of her personality makes it more interesting. Vulcans aren't genetically unemotional, they just have a culture centered around surpressing emotions. Chalk it up to another thing they hadn't really worked out in the early days.
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WickedHate posted:Vulcans aren't genetically unemotional, they just have a culture centered around surpressing emotions. Chalk it up to another thing they hadn't really worked out in the early days. Yep, which is what made Tuvok's conatant barely contained annoyance so entertaining.
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Everyone says the doctor is the best on voyager, but I always related to Tuvok since he seemed so loving annoyed to be on that ship and deal with those idiots every day.
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Namaer posted:Does the novelization explain why he refers to her as Mister? Some organizations don't use separate courtesy titles for genders. I guess Spock follows suit.
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It seems like Wrath of Kahn almost completely ignored The Motion Picture, WoK begins with having to finagle the crew back on the Enterprise after TMP ended with them all there, and there are a lot of the same conversations about Kirk wanting to be a captain instead of an admiral. Was there a lot of hate for TMP after it's release that made them reset everyone again?
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Daaaammmn. Bummer. Sounds like they're hosed and rightly so if all that's true but it looked like it'd be a fun old school trek flick. Ninja edit: Also thanks man for doing a bang up summary!
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Namaer posted:It seems like Wrath of Kahn almost completely ignored The Motion Picture, WoK begins with having to finagle the crew back on the Enterprise after TMP ended with them all there, and there are a lot of the same conversations about Kirk wanting to be a captain instead of an admiral. Was there a lot of hate for TMP after it's release that made them reset everyone again? I think that canonically, there was an entire new 5 year mission that took place between TMP and WOK with Kirk as commanding officer.
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If anything, Axanar needs to be wiped off the face of the galaxy just for producing this piece of poo poo:
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Namaer posted:It seems like Wrath of Kahn almost completely ignored The Motion Picture, WoK begins with having to finagle the crew back on the Enterprise after TMP ended with them all there, and there are a lot of the same conversations about Kirk wanting to be a captain instead of an admiral. Was there a lot of hate for TMP after it's release that made them reset everyone again? TMP's production got quite badly out of hand, between script issues and the original effects house totally screwing the pooch. Paramount, in a classic example of Hollywood accounting, claimed the movie cost $45 million (they tacked on anywhere from $15 to $20 million from the previous aborted movie attempts as well as all the costs sunk on Phase II to get to that number), and used it as an excuse to kick Roddenberry upstairs to the ceremonial role of "executive consultant." The movie still made a lot of money but it was critically very poorly received, so Paramount decided to strike while the iron was hot and get another Trek movie out the door -- but they didn't want another psychotic run of production and pre-production, so they handed the entire thing over to the television division, which is how Harve Bennett essentially came to be in charge of Trek for the next decade. Both Bennett and eventually Nick Meyer felt a big issue was that the first movie had ignored the passage of time, instead of embracing it and saying, "You know, it's been ten-plus years, these people will have changed, we need to roll with that" -- which is how elements like Kirk having a son, Kirk turning 50, Spock's death and its effect on the crew, the crew facing an enemy comprising a bunch of young supermen, etc., all came into play across the various scripts that were developed for the movie across the span of like a year and a half. Croatoan posted:Daaaammmn. Bummer. Sounds like they're hosed and rightly so if all that's true but it looked like it'd be a fun old school trek flick. The thing is, they had a number of conversations with CBS and Paramount, and they were told what every other fan film ever had been told: "Don't try to make money off this, and we'll look the other way." But instead they had to sell Axanar-branded coffee and other poo poo (with one of the coffee blends having a goddamn Klingon D-7 on the bag), go on screeds on Facebook and Twitter ranting that they were the true heirs to the mantle of Star Trek and they were going to take it away from JJ the Usurper, use the donor money to build an entire goddamn film studio, and -- in some of the most damning evidence -- Christian Gossett produced email chains in which Peters said the original goal for Axanar was to have CBS / Paramount buy it out from him. Those are all kind of rather significant no-nos. I mean, for God's sake, the judge in the case called out Axanar's attorney for citing Wikipedia in her written arguments. That's how moronic the entire operation is. Timby fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Jan 5, 2017 |
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Farscape had that rarest of villainous powers: actual competence.
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Thanks Timby, that makes a lot of sense. I gotta say the costuming in WoK owns very hard. The new red uniforms and the away team jackets look extremely spiffy, though the engineering suits carried over from TMP are still an eyesore.
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Namaer posted:It seems like Wrath of Kahn almost completely ignored The Motion Picture, WoK begins with having to finagle the crew back on the Enterprise after TMP ended with them all there, and there are a lot of the same conversations about Kirk wanting to be a captain instead of an admiral. Was there a lot of hate for TMP after it's release that made them reset everyone again? I don't know about hate, but they were definitely looking to pretend the first one didn't exist. IIRC, the movie was actually released just as "Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan" so as to downplay the idea it was a sequel to the first. They added the "II" later after its original release.
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You can't like OWN Star Trek, maaaan. Oh wait, actually you can and someone does.
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Wikkheiser posted:You can't like OWN Star Trek, maaaan. The Axafucks tried arguing to Judge Klausner that the Axanar project was actually a "mockumentary" (that's where their attorney cited Wikipedia). You can't make this poo poo up.  Drink-Mix Man posted:I don't know about hate, but they were definitely looking to pretend the first one didn't exist. IIRC, the movie was actually released just as "Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan" so as to downplay the idea it was a sequel to the first. They added the "II" later after its original release. The movie was reprinted several times, but, yes, the very first theatrical prints didn't have the "II" in the title. Timby fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Jan 5, 2017 |
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VanSandman posted:Farscape had that rarest of villainous powers: actual competence. Scorpious is among the best tv villains in history.
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Wikkheiser posted:You can't like OWN Star Trek, maaaan. I can, because I'm not a penniless hippy!
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Pakled posted:This Ain't Star Trek XXX I love that they chose Space Seed for that movie 
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You'd think there'd be a Star Fleet regulation against 69ing on the transporter pad but apparently not.
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Namaer posted:You'd think there'd be a Star Fleet regulation against 69ing on the transporter pad but apparently not. They'll just get O'Brien's 23rd century relative to mop up afterward.
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I just watched the mirror universe episode of Enterprise, it was pretty good. Better than the DS9 ones actually. It's actually sort of weird how in the DS9 mirror episodes you're meant to feel aligned with the terrans but they're basically a bunch of nazi's who got comeuppance for their centuries of atrocities and oppression. I guess it's been a few generations though, crimes of you ancestors and all.
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Outside of Galaxy Quest, are there any humorous takes on Trek/sci-fi that aren't painfully unfunny?
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Zurui posted:Outside of Galaxy Quest, are there any humorous takes on Trek/sci-fi that aren't painfully unfunny? There's Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow...
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I read the Star Wreck books as a kid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wreck_(novel_series) Apparently there is a series of Finnish parody movies with the same name, but I've never gotten around to watching them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wreck quote:Star Wreck relates the adventures of James B. Pirk (named after the Star Trek character James T. Kirk), Captain of the starship C.P.P. Potkustartti (English C.P.P. Kickstart). Other characters include Mr. Fukov, Mr. Spook (Finnish: Mr. Spökö), Mr. Dwarf (Wuf), Ensign lovely and Mr. Info (loosely based, respectively, on Star Trek's Pavel Chekov, Mr. Spock, Worf, Scotty, and Data). The characters speak Finnish, but subtitles in various languages, including Klingon, are available. Tears In A Vial fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Jan 6, 2017 |
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The Star Wreck shorts are funny in very, very small doses. In The Pirkinning is a master example of why you shouldn't stretch two jokes into a feature-length film.
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Zurui posted:Outside of Galaxy Quest, are there any humorous takes on Trek/sci-fi that aren't painfully unfunny? The Futurama Star Trek episode is amazing and full of great moments that only die hard Trek fans would get.
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Zurui posted:Outside of Galaxy Quest, are there any humorous takes on Trek/sci-fi that aren't painfully unfunny? There was some goofy fan wank back in '02 that was pretty great. The crew rode around in a dune buggy shooting aliens, Picard had a clone, and Data found ANOTHER brother.
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armoredgorilla posted:There was some goofy fan wank back in '02 that was pretty great. The crew rode around in a dune buggy shooting aliens, Picard had a clone, and Data found ANOTHER brother. Wait... Oh. Oh. I probably would enjoy that more if I received it as a comedy.
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armoredgorilla posted:There was some goofy fan wank back in '02 that was pretty great. The crew rode around in a dune buggy shooting aliens, Picard had a clone, and Data found ANOTHER brother. He said "not painfully unfunny"
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Timby posted:TMP's production got quite badly out of hand, between script issues and the original effects house totally screwing the pooch. Paramount, in a classic example of Hollywood accounting, claimed the movie cost $45 million (they tacked on anywhere from $15 to $20 million from the previous aborted movie attempts as well as all the costs sunk on Phase II to get to that number), and used it as an excuse to kick Roddenberry upstairs to the ceremonial role of "executive consultant." The movie still made a lot of money but it was critically very poorly received, so Paramount decided to strike while the iron was hot and get another Trek movie out the door -- but they didn't want another psychotic run of production and pre-production, so they handed the entire thing over to the television division, which is how Harve Bennett essentially came to be in charge of Trek for the next decade. Yeah, the timeframe was very wonky, and it was hotly speculated on and contested in fandom in the 80s and 90s, before it was officially canonized on places like startrek.com. Basically, it's only supposed to have been a couple years since the end of TOS (though in theory there were probably 2 more years of unseen original 5 year mission. So you have to imagine TMP was made in like 1974, and all the aging, Scotty's mustache, beige uniforms, new phasers and communicators as well as the new style ships all came about less than 5 years after Turnabout Intruder. Then there was speculation that there was a new 5 year mission after TMP with Admiral Kirk commanding, Spock signed back on as XO, and the whole rest of the crew. Then a couple more years of Kirk going back to Starfleet HQ, Spock becoming a Captain and Academy instructor, even more new uniforms, etc. But this was never ever mentioned onscreen, only punted about by fans and eventually canonized by the powers that be. This though, puts the actors ages in line with the characters, and by II-IV you have a roughly correct period between Turnabout Intruder and the present. The Saavik half Romulan stuff would have been very interesting, if it had been explored onscreen, but it never was. Notably, unlike the second 5 year mission, her half Romulan backstory has never been canonized on startrek.com or even Memory Alpha. Only Memory Beta. IIRC, there was a pre-modern editorial era Pocket Book novel exploring how Spock came to rescue a young Saavik from the Romulans, raise her and mentor her. I have no idea if it was good or not, but 80s/90s Star Trek novel, so YMMV.
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armoredgorilla posted:There was some goofy fan wank back in '02 that was pretty great. The crew rode around in a dune buggy shooting aliens, Picard had a clone, and Data found ANOTHER brother. That turret with no vertical range of motion was pretty hilarious.
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Astroman posted:Yeah, the timeframe was very wonky, and it was hotly speculated on and contested in fandom in the 80s and 90s, before it was officially canonized on places like startrek.com. Basically, it's only supposed to have been a couple years since the end of TOS (though in theory there were probably 2 more years of unseen original 5 year mission. So you have to imagine TMP was made in like 1974, and all the aging, Scotty's mustache, beige uniforms, new phasers and communicators as well as the new style ships all came about less than 5 years after Turnabout Intruder. Then there was speculation that there was a new 5 year mission after TMP with Admiral Kirk commanding, Spock signed back on as XO, and the whole rest of the crew. Then a couple more years of Kirk going back to Starfleet HQ, Spock becoming a Captain and Academy instructor, even more new uniforms, etc. But this was never ever mentioned onscreen, only punted about by fans and eventually canonized by the powers that be. This though, puts the actors ages in line with the characters, and by II-IV you have a roughly correct period between Turnabout Intruder and the present. The problem with that is that at the start of Search for Spock they mention that the Enterprise is 20 years old.
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quote:The problem with that is that at the start of Search for Spock they mention that the Enterprise is 20 years old. The other problem is that, entirely to explain in-reality production nonsense, the Enterprise crew is constantly being broken up and re-uniting.
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Two thoughts so far on the search for Spock: I laughed my rear end off at the "flight recorder" footage Kirk watches, it's literally just the clip from the previous movie. Also I liked that the Kirk/Sarek mind meld scene was treated like a sex scene, with a fireplace and extreme closeups.
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Zurui posted:Outside of Galaxy Quest, are there any humorous takes on Trek/sci-fi that aren't painfully unfunny? I have a soft spot for Free Enterprise. quote:The film deals with the mid-life crises of its two main protagonists, Mark (Eric McCormack) and Robert (Rafer Weigel), fictionalized versions of the film's director and producer/writer. The two friends struggle with adult career and relationship problems, all the while defiantly clinging to the geeky science fiction pop culture of their youth and seeking advice from their greatest hero, William Shatner.
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