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SLICK GOKU BABY posted:It's a really bad opinion. I found the first bit of the episode really boring and the jokes falling flat about halfway through it started getting REALLY good and ended probably the best of Season 11. now that I think about it its pretty clever. The boredom we face as an audience in the beginning is the same boredom that drive MacDennis insane.
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How can you not love Charlie's interrogation song? loving brilliant!
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get that OUT of my face posted:When I heard that the electronics store was called "The Wiz," I was fully expecting a gag involving this defunct chain. I'm glad I'm not the only one who remembers that store, I was expecting the same thing. moist turtleneck posted:The only thing that made me uneasy was charlie bleeding out while singing, it was funny but holy poo poo that hits close to home to anyone that's been given a train at the police station ...is being given a train at the police station actually a thing, or is this just a joke going over my head? raditts fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Jan 6, 2017 |
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Just watched it and ate that poo poo up I'm expecting racists to hate the episode for the right reasons and some progressive types to hate it for the wrong reasons. Like others have said though I thought it was solid social commentary
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raditts posted:I'm glad I'm not the only one who remembers that store, I was expecting the same thing. I assumed they were referencing this: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article90905442.html
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Missionary Positron posted:True sunnyheads know that the show peaked with the first episode of the first season, and it's been nothing but downhill ever since I watched the first two episodes of The Mick yesterday, and it was okay but I'm not really sure how I feel about it yet. It kind of feels like they took all the scenes from Kimmy Schmidt with the insufferable little rear end in a top hat kids and swapped Kimmy out for Sweet Dee.
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To read the thread before watching the episode, I was expecting the episode to follow black actors around, doing their best 'gang but as black people" shtick. I don't understand how this is at all cringeworthy or racist, because except for Frank, aren't they all constantly being racist but then immediately backpedaling and saying out loud "oh geeze we really shouldn't do that!". like, how much more progressive can you get than having your characters constantly call themselves out on inappropriate stereotyping? Am I missing something? Certainly the weakest musical selection of the show so far, and I can't believe 'Charlie' getting shot isn't getting more attention. That was easily the most uncomfortable I have ever been during an episode of this show.
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I am saddened at the lack of love for Scott Bakula's song about Ziggy.
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raditts posted:I am saddened at the lack of love for Scott Bakula's song about Ziggy. It was absolutely perfect. The only thing this episode was missing was a Dean Stockwell appearance.
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BSam posted:The gently caress is this poo poo NEWSFLASH rear end in a top hat, it's a really bad opinion!!
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This would have been phenomenal if they had black actors portraying the gang the whole time rather than just in their reflections. Instead it just came across as overly safe and cautious. I didn't hate it and I'm glad they're still willing to take risks, but I agree with whoever said the season opener shouldn't be an experimental episode.FogHelmut posted:gently caress y'all, this was the funniest episode in years. But it wouldn't have worked without it being a musical. I actually think it did hurt the episode. The Quantum Leap aspect was already enough of a concept to carry an episode, placing a 70's musical parody on top of that made it bloated. I also agree with those who thought the songs didn't really land. Bob's Burgers and South Park do amazing musical parody numbers, so maybe I'm just spoiled by them, but the songs in this felt like quick drafts or something, can't really put my finger on it but the "lyrics on top of old MIDI" comparison seems accurate. Plus the fact that the gang except Kaitlin can't really sing just made it a little grating, like yes that's probably the joke, but still.
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Oh man I just realized something kind of sad: the whole thing was was Old Black Man's dream, and part of that dream involved him being reunited with his long lost wife  in real life she's probably long dead.
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I thought it was a great episode. I'm more bothered about all the people saying they hate musicals. And then I wonder, what musicals have these haters actually seen?
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Burning_Monk posted:How can you not love Charlie's interrogation song? loving brilliant! I like that Old Black Man knows Charlie's mom is a whore who banged Frank.
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Dead Precedents posted:I like that Old Black Man knows Charlie's mom is a whore who banged Frank. I assumed the gang has yelled about it at some point. He calls himself Old Black Man, though. Like he has dream-Z pseudo-correct Dee and Frank.
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Yossarian-22 posted:Just watched it and ate that poo poo up
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Waltzing Along posted:I thought it was a great episode. I'm more bothered about all the people saying they hate musicals. And then I wonder, what musicals have these haters actually seen? Probably Disney movies where the songs are just catchy numbers and are actually filler to the movie.
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Dead Precedents posted:I like that Old Black Man knows Charlie's mom is a whore who banged Frank. Frank has probably bragged about that to him at least twice.
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SLICK GOKU BABY posted:Probably Disney movies where the songs are just catchy numbers and are actually filler to the movie. I hope you do not include The Lion King in this category. Idk I can't say I particularly care about musicals but it's not like something is rendered terrible just because it has a few songs.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:It was absolutely perfect. The only thing this episode was missing was a Dean Stockwell appearance. I thought exactly the same thing, then got too scared to look up if Dean Stockwell is still alive or not 
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Charlie's life gets a lot darker when it's anyone but Charlie Day. 
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Jerusalem posted:I thought exactly the same thing, then got too scared to look up if Dean Stockwell is still alive or not Still kickin'!
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I don't like how this is turning in to a divide between "This show is poo poo" and "I loved this episode and it was awesome and if you don't like it you hate fun" Season 10 was my favorite season of the show; it kept Sunny's tone but got crazier. Stuff like The Gang Group Dates and Misses the Boat were really awesome. I just felt like Season 11 dipped too far in to really meta-humor and fast paced writing that felt forced and this episode didn't break from that. I have high hopes for next week though.
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Loved this episode and the ending shock. At least this week people were calling it the worst thing the show's ever done after 5 minutes because it was too out there, instead of being too derivative to a previous episode like several callback episodes the last couple seasons. I guess nothing would please everyone after 12 years...
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The one thing that threw me is that I didn't realized until pretty far into the episode that Dennis was the fat guy and not Mac. When it first shows them looking at themselves in the mirror, and "Black Charlie" is this wide-eyed kid, first thing I'm thinking is "oh, it's like their true selves being represented as black people". So it seemed to make intuitive sense that Mac (who is predisposed towards cultivating mass) becomes Fat Black Mac. I guess I didn't really pay attention to their clothing too closely. In the end it really only mattered for Charlie though, and Black Frank just being a regular looking guy probably should've tipped me off.
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landgrabber posted:Still kickin'! Last I saw of him he was an rear end in a top hat  . He's 80, so might not be up to cameos in a comedy show.Waltzing Along posted:I thought it was a great episode. I'm more bothered about all the people saying they hate musicals. And then I wonder, what musicals have these haters actually seen? As a teenager I didn't like musicals because they seemed overly girly and effeminate. Later on I realized I just didn't really like the form. It's deservedly spoofed, all the time, but even the spoofs can be tiring. I won't deny the vast talent behind them but I still generally don't enjoy it. sweetmercifulcrap posted:This would have been phenomenal if they had black actors portraying the gang the whole time rather than just in their reflections. Instead it just came across as overly safe and cautious. I didn't hate it and I like the idea but wow that would be really difficult. All it would take is one actor who couldn't completely nail his gang member to completely take you out of the show. Would've been awesome if they could pull it off, though. Speaking of which, I think the comparison is to "Charlie Work." Some director, kind of a gimmick episode, but that one works so much better. Not that this one was terrible but I think even those of us who liked it would say that it doesn't quite get there like it could.
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Making this a musical episode is actually what's saved it from being seen as a preachy social justice episode. Clever girl
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Agronox posted:As a teenager I didn't like musicals because they seemed overly girly and effeminate. Later on I realized I just didn't really like the form. It's deservedly spoofed, all the time, but even the spoofs can be tiring. Anybody who feels this way should go watch Crazy Ex Girlfriend and see how wrong they are first hand.
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Moacher posted:The one thing that threw me is that I didn't realized until pretty far into the episode that Dennis was the fat guy and not Mac. Dennis/Black Dennis had their arm up for precisely this reason I'm sure.
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