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paranoid randroid posted:i have no idea waht the gently caress is even being argued about rn I guess that because Bernie would have won NY and California the 'Reagan Democrats' wouldn't be as in play?
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loquacius posted:so in this analogy is krokodil scotch krokodil is a exhilirating high compared to weed, scotch is a much better drunk compared to listerine
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paranoid randroid posted:i have no idea waht the gently caress is even being argued about rn neolibs love losing the drug argument
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paranoid randroid posted:i have no idea waht the gently caress is even being argued about rn I was trying to talk about how I really really don't think The Right-Wing Smear Machine had any actual working Bernie-killers in the chamber, now I'm talking about the general outcome of a hypothetical election, I don't know how it happened
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:bernie would have won 
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i was referring more to the comparisons between crokodil and scotch
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Terror Sweat posted:krokodil is a exhilirating high compared to weed, scotch is a much better drunk compared to listerine Oh ok sorry the problem was actually that you have really strange ideas about weed Go and try some Colorado weed and tell me whether you still think it's like drinking Listerine
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paranoid randroid posted:i have no idea waht the gently caress is even being argued about rn people itt reveal they're total squares
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Like, I get that here on the internet revolution the response of 'YEA HE'S A SOCIALIST WHAT OF IT' is super cool and accepted, but the areas we're talking about winning have spent the past 50 years being told that any social programs are actually government plots to give hard working Real American money to gay illegal aliens for abortions. Trump's bullshit 'I'm a good business boy who will let business do whatever they want to my butt' is the solution in that world. quote:Trump's voters constantly cited his business experience and all, you can't just call this a 'change' election, it was also a huge 'pro-business' capitalist election that he won on.
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paranoid randroid posted:i have no idea waht the gently caress is even being argued about rn Make America great again y/n
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Serf posted:neolibs love losing the drug argument is 'I don't think anyone would do hardcore basement science project drugs if pot was legal' the 'neolib' position here because that's super 'neolib'.
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logikv9 posted:Make America great again y/n im receiving word from a source that america is already great because its good, actually
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paranoid randroid posted:i was referring more to the comparisons between crokodil and scotch always start with scotch and use krokodil to keep the buzz going.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:I guess that because Bernie would have won NY and California the 'Reagan Democrats' wouldn't be as in play? wait are you the second person in two days trying to argue that Bernie would have lost NY and CA or what because honestly I don't know what you're talking about here any more than I know why we're even talking about the general election outcome instead of The Right-Wing Smear Machine (mods namechange pls)
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loquacius posted:Oh ok sorry the problem was actually that you have really strange ideas about weed I suggest Lunar Kush or Sour Nightmare.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:is 'I don't think anyone would do hardcore basement science project drugs if pot was legal' the 'neolib' position here because that's super 'neolib'. I wasn't one of those people who thought "neolib" had lost all meaning until I read this post
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loquacius posted:wait are you the second person in two days trying to argue that Bernie would have lost NY and CA or what I'm saying why even say he would have won NY and Cali? No poo poo he would. Literally any Democrat would win those states.
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The Reagan Democrats are Republicans. We learned that this year when there weren't enough of them to win Hillary any states that mattered.
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brainwave: dems should run on krokodil legalization as an escape from the realities of post-trump life
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loquacius posted:I wasn't one of those people who thought "neolib" had lost all meaning until I read this post then I've done at least one good thing today
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Like, I get that here on the internet revolution the response of 'YEA HE'S A SOCIALIST WHAT OF IT' is super cool and accepted, but the areas we're talking about winning have spent the past 50 years being told that any social programs are actually government plots to give hard working Real American money to gay illegal aliens for abortions. Trump's bullshit 'I'm a good business boy who will let business do whatever they want to my butt' is the solution in that world. Real people actually do care about universal programs like Medicare and Social Security and have never believed that those kinds of government programs are plots to steal their hard-earned wealth, so maybe we should champion more policies like that. Or we could offer means-tested health insurance subsidies that give lower-income families who don't qualify for Medicaid a worse deal than slightly poorer people who do qualify. This is a surefire winner, and we can apply this model to new fields like college education and charter schools. nopants posted:Being a dirty socialist with actual plans to help the working class and actual conviction is more attractive to working class voters than being neoliberal trash that offers no real hope. Democrats don't win national elections the same way as Republicans. We don't win spewing negativity and smears without motivating voters positively to vote what we can do to help them once elected. I do want to emphasize that it's essential to have a villain in your narrative, too. Clinton failed to do what you suggest, but she also couldn't distinguish Trump as being part of a predatory class because she's in that class too. In fact she did the opposite, trying to cast him as uncouth and unfit to be part of the ruling political establishment.
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Fullhouse posted:oh, Peter Daou wishes he was getting paid for this. even the Clinton campaign thinks he's loving nuts They might have thought of that before David Brock started signing the guy's checks
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logikv9 posted:thread going downhill fast lock it like its the stock market to save us all from bad dem depression!
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Tatum Girlparts posted:I'm saying why even say he would have won NY and Cali? No poo poo he would. Literally any Democrat would win those states. yeah I know that was why I said it Without the demagogue v insider narrative, if you're just doing demagogue v demagogue, I don't think Trump can rack up enough Southern states to counter NY and CA which Bernie would still get no matter how much railing against Wall Street he did
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Bad Dems on Nov 7th: Trump CAN'T win, he insulted every demographic republicans need to even stand a chance! No one cares about right-wing "scandals". Demographics are destiny! Anyone could beat him, Hillarys gonna flip texas and arizona! Bad Dems on Nov 9th: Well you see, it was impossible for any democrat to win, Trump was just too powerful, America is just too racist and sexist and Russians and the FBI, it's amazing Clinton did so well and almost won.
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The Democrats? More like "The Aristocrats!"
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We must preserve a future for the Democratic party and our neoliberal children - Hillary "McHilter" Clinton
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Guys just make fun of my post from last night some more, please. We're all better than this.
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Serf posted:neolibs love losing arguments
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Shinjobi posted:Guys just make fun of my post from last night some more, please. We're all better than this. man you got overshadowed immediately by poopkin going full lf death threat he stole all of your small meltdown's thunder
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Covok posted:Wikileaks: "The Obama administration is leaking information! This is bad!" logikv9 posted:Thanks Julian Did we ever find out why Wikileaks is no longer releasing verified information, indicating the organization itself was compromised?
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MizPiz posted:Being more understanding forgiving about political missteps made Bernie's rise possible, no point in abandoning the strategy when it's given us this monentum. being forgiving about signs of centrism because the candidate was charismatic and said progressive things and associated with progressives is what gave us four years of Obama. being forgiving about blatantly centrist behavior and open betrayal of progressive principles because "they're just doing it to get elected" is what gave us four more years of Obama. focusing too much on the top positions while ignoring lower-level races, not to mention outright applauding as the top-level candidates undermine the lower-level races for their own benefit, is what gave us GOP supremacy in local, state, and national government the only thing an Ellison win will prove is that the establishment doesn't need to make real policy or messaging concessions because progressives are gullible enough to be won over by meaningless token moves and stupid enough to not realize where the real power lies
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I'm here to cause the schism in the Democratic Party allowing the birth of a real workers party to save the country don't mind me
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