Namaer posted:

Honestly tying phasers into the warp engine seems like an awful idea, in any fire fight its warp power that gets knocked out first.

bull3964 posted:

Which is exactly what Kirk tells Scotty in the book.

Timby posted:

Is this before or after Kirk asks Ilia, "Have you ever sexed with a human?"

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Harold Livingston wrote the first draft. As usual, Roddenberry rewrote it. “Then he brought it in,” Livingston says, “gave it to us in a bright orange cover, and there it is: In Thy Image, screenplay by Gene Roddenberry and Harold Livingston.

He took first position. We all read it and I was appalled, and so was everyone else. We sat around looking at each other and somebody said, ‘Who’s going to tell him it’s a piece of s—t?’”

The draft was marked November 7, 1977. Roddenberry’s opening scene: Kirk and a lady friend skinny-dipping. Starfleet hails. But Kirk is distracted when his girlfriend pulls him underwater. After a beat he surfaces, responds to the hail, and says, “I was attacked by an underwater creature.” There is more. The crew of the Enterprise is sent to investigate a mysterious probe heading towards Earth. In one scene, “shapely female yeomans check out the young and inexperienced Xon, straight out of the Academy and the new science officer, and ask him about pon farr,”

Admiral Kirk tells another new member of the crew, the empathic Ilia from the planet Delta, “I know that Deltan females are not wanton, hairless whores.” At this Ilia laughs and says, “On my world, existence is loving, pleasuring, sharing, caring.” Kirk asks, “Have you ever sexed with a human?”

TheBigAristotle posted:

They reused the Bird of Prey explosion in from ST:VI in Generations. That poo poo was lazy, I can't imagine they didn't have a budget on the first TNG movie to blow up another BoP

TheBigAristotle posted:

I can't imagine they didn't have a budget on the first TNG movie to blow up another BoP

Namaer posted:

I'm about to watch Final Frontier and then Undiscovered Country, and I hope they don't retread all of that again because Voyage Home really cemented who Spock was as a character by it's close.

Namaer posted:

Kirk climbing this mountain is more unbelievable to me then anything I've ever seen in Star Trek.

skasion posted:

https://youtu.be/HU2ftCitvyQ

Timby posted:

They really didn't. Generations was made for only a few million dollars more than Star Trek VI, with a not-insignificant amount of above-the-line costs -- the entire series cast had to be signed to a film contract, they had to fork out $6 million for Shatner, they had some pretty expensive set pieces like the crash sequence, a lot of expensive location shooting, the Enterprise-D bridge needed to be redressed, they had to haul the six-foot model out of storage and restore it and rewire it, Zimmerman botched the initial build of Stellar Cartography, they wasted a ton of money on new uniforms that didn't get used, so on and so forth, production was compressed to 50 days (for comparison, The Undiscovered Country took 55) ... they really didn't have much left over, and it took a huge fight with Paramount to get additional money to re-shoot the ending. Even the battle itself is pretty limited -- I think there are only three, maybe four exterior shots of actual combat and the rest is just the bridge and engineering reacting to damage.

Namaer posted:

Kirk climbing this mountain is more unbelievable to me then anything I've ever seen in Star Trek.

Kibbles n Shits posted:

I want a space marshmallow machine

FlamingLiberal posted:

I think we discussed this before but they made new uniforms for Generations but they tested like crap so they had to reuse some of the actual DS9 uniforms

Namaer posted:

Drink-Mix Man posted:

I googled that quote and it looks like that's only the tip of the iceberg.

Timby posted:

The Final Frontier owns, gently caress all y'all.

dont even fink about it posted:

Yeah that is all consistent with Roddenberry's writing style and I believe that quote is straight out of that 50-Year Voyage two-book set that everyone in this thread should own if they are interested in Star Trek at all.

Livingston hated Roddenberry and pretty much all of their interactions are hilarious. The TMP production was a total nightmare because of Roddenberry, the general sentiment that TMP should be a "serious" space opera and NOT AT ALL HUMOROUS, and some poor decision-making as far as hiring effects people.

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But Kirk is distracted when his girlfriend pulls him underwater. After a beat he surfaces, responds to the hail, and says, “I was attacked by an underwater creature.”

Namaer posted:

It seems like Wrath of Kahn almost completely ignored The Motion Picture, WoK begins with having to finagle the crew back on the Enterprise after TMP ended with them all there, and there are a lot of the same conversations about Kirk wanting to be a captain instead of an admiral. Was there a lot of hate for TMP after it's release that made them reset everyone again?

MisterBibs posted:

As dumb as the rest of this is, I could see Kirk doing this and I think it's kinda funny.

Kibbles n Shits posted:

I want a space marshmallow machine

Namaer posted:

edit: just got to "what does god need with a starship?", completely redeemed the movie

Namaer posted:

I think I spotted the first toilet in Star Trek