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columbine shooters played a lot of doom. makes u think
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Pick posted:People are affected by 30 second advertisements. You seem to be suggesting that I think that pornography is different, it is not that at all. It is that I think pornography is exactly the same as all other forms of media, and influences people the same way. advertising does not make people kill, maim, or rape.
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# ? Jan 6, 2017 20:11 |
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Pick posted:In the time of New York City's "Satan's Circus", its most notorious den of depravity, prostitutes who provided anal intercourse or blow jobs were considered niche and were ostracized by other prostitutes. Look, I'm just pro-kissing. If that puts me on the wrong side of the 1800s New York than so be it.
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# ? Jan 6, 2017 20:11 |
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Do you also believe movies and video games directly cause violence than, or is that considered separate? Violent music too? People can be influenced by all of those things, and pornography, but I have never seen anything to give them the power to drive such acts alone. Yes, I do think that for example movies that glorify war promote a culture of war.
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# ? Jan 6, 2017 20:12 |
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get rid of all violent rap music too its what causes those urbans to do crimes
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# ? Jan 6, 2017 20:14 |
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WoodrowSkillson posted:advertising does not make people kill, maim, or rape. No, but it certainly gets them to go out and buy a big Mac or have a drink a Coke or buy a certain car just because their emulating what they see in a commercial. I don't even like coke but sometimes I'll think "man, a nice cold glass of Coca Cola would be just perfect right now". Advertising doesn't have a focus on doing things like killing or naming or raping as you say but you know what I bet if it did that it absolutely would influence people's behaviour because were influenced by the social spihere around us, and that includes advertising
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# ? Jan 6, 2017 20:15 |
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can we leave anime out of this? i know people are upset about anal incest facefuck porn but goku did nothing wrong
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# ? Jan 6, 2017 20:16 |
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When/how did you get comfortable with talking about farting/pooping with your significant other? I'm [25/m] and she's [26/f]. My girlfriend and I are currently in a long distance relationship, but she's moving here soon and I don't know how to get more comfortable with just having to fart or take a dump without feeling super self-conscious around her. How'd you do it? Any awkward or horror stories?
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# ? Jan 6, 2017 20:17 |
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54 40 or gently caress posted:No, but it certainly gets them to go out and buy a big Mac or have a drink a Coke or buy a certain car just because their emulating what they see in a commercial. I don't even like coke but sometimes I'll think "man, a nice cold glass of Coca Cola would be just perfect right now". Advertising doesn't have a focus on doing things like killing or naming or raping as you say but you know what I bet if it did that it absolutely would influence people's behaviour because were influenced by the social spihere around us, and that includes advertising I agree, but I would argue that there has been propaganda, a form of advertising, that has effectively encouraged violence including killing.
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54 40 or gently caress posted:No, but it certainly gets them to go out and buy a big Mac or have a drink a Coke or buy a certain car just because their emulating what they see in a commercial. I don't even like coke but sometimes I'll think "man, a nice cold glass of Coca Cola would be just perfect right now". Advertising doesn't have a focus on doing things like killing or naming or raping as you say but you know what I bet if it did that it absolutely would influence people's behaviour because were influenced by the social spihere around us, and that includes advertising No it would not because buying a cheeseburger is not the same as violating all of societies taboos and rules in order to commit an act of violence against another human being. media will not cause you to do that.
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# ? Jan 6, 2017 20:18 |
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WampaLord posted:Pick, do you think men watch porn in the same way we watch movies or TV shows? The time invested is way way different. yeah I watch way way way more porn Ride The Gravitron posted:When/how did you get comfortable with talking about farting/pooping with your significant other? I'm [25/m] and she's [26/f]. IDK if it's the current digression or just my expectations for r/relationships but it took me a second to realize he wasn't talking about having to poop on her
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# ? Jan 6, 2017 20:18 |
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WoodrowSkillson posted:advertising does not make people kill, maim, or rape. but it should
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Pick posted:I would argue that there has been propaganda, a form of advertising, that has effectively encouraged violence including killing. How does this fit with massively lower crime rates over the past decades, including violent crime?
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# ? Jan 6, 2017 20:18 |
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ok i declare this derail about picking () pick's broken brain OFFICIALLY. OVER!
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# ? Jan 6, 2017 20:19 |
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I am immune to all social messaging affecting my wiener! * yet another story about a man who completely destroyed his relationship because his penis is only 5 inches long*
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# ? Jan 6, 2017 20:20 |
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Pick is literally just saying that advertising works, on a subconscious level, and influences your behavior. That's completely absurd to argue against. Playing CoD doesn't make you go out and shoot people, but it absolutely influences your behavior in the short term to be far more assertive. I'd take it further and say that in America, our weird puritanical terror at the idea of seeing a breast on TV or whatever has really backfired - there's not a whole lot of genuine, healthy sexual relationships portrayed in the type of media people have access to when they're developing, so they're more likely to either look it up themselves and stumble onto something weird/violent/degrading, or go the opposite route and end up fixated on something normally benign turned bizarre like Sonic inflation reverse-vore.
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WampaLord posted:How does this fit with massively lower crime rates over the past decades, including violent crime? We have considerably less of that kind of propaganda now, and we have access to many alternative viewpoints. I am talking about things that for example encouraged the Rwandan genocide and Spanish fascists.
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# ? Jan 6, 2017 20:21 |
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Pick posted:I agree, but I would argue that there has been propaganda, a form of advertising, that has effectively encouraged violence including killing. Which carries with it the power of national culture, effectively creating a scenario wherein one can violate normal taboos such as murder, without societal or moral consequence as the act is validated as "good" A weirdo rapist kid finding a video he likes is not the same as the video causing the kid to becomes a weirdo rapist. Same as Dahmer liking gay porn.
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# ? Jan 6, 2017 20:21 |
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La Brea Carpet posted:Hey, I have this 30-year-old hand grenade and want to pull then pin and toss it at my loving, caring wife. Buddy you take this secret straight to the grave and on your deathbed you lie straight through your decrepit teeth as the last of your strength leaves you to wheeze out a final "i have always only ever loved you" before you flatline.
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# ? Jan 6, 2017 20:21 |
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woah are you telling me that what people desire and how they desire it is strongly influenced by culture, and that these things dont just spontaneously appear from a vacuum
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# ? Jan 6, 2017 20:23 |
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WoodrowSkillson posted:No it would not because buying a cheeseburger is not the same as violating all of societies taboos and rules in order to commit an act of violence against another human being. media will not cause you to do that. While I don't exactly think it is something that is completely entirely plausible in the modern society that we live in, we can't argue about the fact that there are people who get paid millions and millions of dollars every year just to figure out the perfect formula on how to figure out how to Joe every man to buy this or that on any given day. It's why alcohol and cigarettes are not allowed to advertise on TV or read magazines because they don't want impressionable you to have access to that and see these ads were people are being surrounded by attractive people having a great time :-) laughing all because they're drinking Corona or whatever. Fact of the matter is is that there there's plenty of literature to support the idea that the media does influence our actions and behaviours especially if were exposed to it when we're young children. And really, what would you call any ads that encourage people to join the army or the Navy?
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food court bailiff posted:Sonic inflation reverse-vore. Last time I trust you to keep a secret
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# ? Jan 6, 2017 20:26 |
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Nice page-long derail, morons. I (F19) cried after sex with my boyfriend (M21) (nsfw?) quote:This is a throwaway because some of my friends know my main. My boyfriend keeps spunking in me without telling me and doesn't let me orgasm, am I overreacting by resenting him?
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54 40 or gently caress posted:While I don't exactly think it is something that is completely entirely plausible in the modern society that we live in, we can't argue about the fact that there are people who get paid millions and millions of dollars every year just to figure out the perfect formula on how to figure out how to Joe every man to buy this or that on any given day. It's why alcohol and cigarettes are not allowed to advertise on TV or read magazines because they don't want impressionable you to have access to that and see these ads were people are being surrounded by attractive people having a great time :-) laughing all because they're drinking Corona or whatever. Fact of the matter is is that there there's plenty of literature to support the idea that the media does influence our actions and behaviours especially if were exposed to it when we're young children. influence yes, i never disputed that. However its power to influence is equivalent across all motivations. Movies and tv shows show violence all of the time, have become more prevalent than ever, along with far more realistic video games. However society-wide, violence has gone down. Media's power to influence does not trump the overall societal messaging and morals children are taught. Rapists and murderers do no do so because a tv show or game showed them the act, they decide to violate that taboo on a far more basic level that media is not able to touch.
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I am not even against pornography per se (that would be as stupid as being "against movies") but the normalization of violence and degrading content should be addressed. And it is genuinely weird that so many people cannot stop watching pornography, even when they try, especially when they are still using it on a daily or multi weekly basis despite their own wishes.
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quote:I (25F) had a disaster of a date with this guy (26M), how should I proceed?
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# ? Jan 6, 2017 20:32 |
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I had this exact scenario happen but I had the sense to leave right after her ex showed up.
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# ? Jan 6, 2017 20:34 |
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i dont understand the point of this post. just dont go on another date with the dude, what the gently caress do you expect reddit to tell you
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# ? Jan 6, 2017 20:35 |
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Jesus christ what a shitbag
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# ? Jan 6, 2017 20:36 |
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What the gently caress
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# ? Jan 6, 2017 20:37 |
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That's why you don't do a first date at one of your regular hangouts. It puts the other person out of their element and makes them uncomfortable if you know everyone there and they don't know anyone.
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Nazzadan posted:Nice page-long derail, morons. modern sexual education really needs to include a module on how to recognize signs of abusive partners. he was using you to make her jealous, dummy.
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# ? Jan 6, 2017 20:39 |
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I went on a first date with someone I have no real investment in at all and it sucked what should I do???
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# ? Jan 6, 2017 20:40 |
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Pick posted:I am not even against pornography per se (that would be as stupid as being "against movies") but the normalization of violence and degrading content should be addressed. And it is genuinely weird that so many people cannot stop watching pornography, even when they try, especially when they are still using it on a daily or multi weekly basis despite their own wishes. people get addicted to so much weird poo poo they made a tv show about it, that someone is probably addicted too. toss in jerking it and it seems pretty simple.
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Nazzadan posted:My boyfriend keeps spunking in me without telling me and doesn't let me orgasm, am I overreacting by resenting him? Goddamn are kids dumb.
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While there's a good argument to be made about how advertising and media affect the morality and actions of the people that consume them, I think there's an equally strong argument to be made that people seek out the media and stimulus that best fits with their own fantasies and preconditions, and that goes equally for people who are willing and able to do violence to another person. But then I feel like we get into a weird chicken-egg situation which at its basest level is like the Peter Hitchens argument that swearing too much and in public will cause society to become more callous. Is society more callous because we swear or are we swearing a lot because we were already becoming more callous? The biggest problem with porn, in my view, is that mass, unregulated consumption of it in a society which is also inherently unwilling to engage with sexuality in any productive or educational sense can have disastrous consequences. I know too many people who learned how sex works from porn and not from educators and loved ones with healthy attitudes about the subject and their best interest in mind. I have experienced this personally, and can say it's a pretty sorry state when you meet a person who says they cannot get off unless their girlfriend lets them cum on a specific part of her body, and in addition is totally ignorant to the fact that it's prudent to examine your own testicles once a month just to make sure you don't die of a treatable cancer.
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# ? Jan 6, 2017 20:42 |
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Maybe STOP TALKING ABOUT PORN should be added to the thread title.quote:Me [37 M] with my GF [30 F] of 8 years, I am sure she cheated but what do I tell our mutual friends when they ask why we broke up?
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# ? Jan 6, 2017 20:44 |
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Pick posted:In the time of New York City's "Satan's Circus", its most notorious den of depravity, prostitutes who provided anal intercourse or blow jobs were considered niche and were ostracized by other prostitutes. American sexual norms were heavily influenced by Victorian society, so any sex was obscene, and anything straying from missionary was frowned upon. Getting a blowie was considered far too "French" for all but the most depraved, and the same went for "French" kissing. We had anti-masturbation movements. E: spanking and other bdsm stuff was popular because of course you need to be punished for partaking in shameful acts such as bearing your loins while copulating with your spouse. Pvt.Scott fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Jan 6, 2017 |
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NomChompsky posted:While there's a good argument to be made about how advertising and media affect the morality and actions of the people that consume them, I think there's an equally strong argument to be made that people seek out the media and stimulus that best fits with their own fantasies and preconditions, and that goes equally for people who are willing and able to do violence to another person. But then I feel like we get into a weird chicken-egg situation which at its basest level is like the Peter Hitchens argument that swearing too much and in public will cause society to become more callous. Is society more callous because we swear or are we swearing a lot because we were already becoming more callous? it's called a positive feedback loop, aka vicious cycle, and it is the standard way in which someone mildly weird progresses from there to insane hosed-up life-dominating obsession A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Jan 6, 2017 |
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