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Tolkien minority
Feb 14, 2012


columbine shooters played a lot of doom. makes u think

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WoodrowSkillson
Feb 24, 2005

*Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

Pick posted:

People are affected by 30 second advertisements. You seem to be suggesting that I think that pornography is different, it is not that at all. It is that I think pornography is exactly the same as all other forms of media, and influences people the same way.

advertising does not make people kill, maim, or rape.

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Pick posted:

In the time of New York City's "Satan's Circus", its most notorious den of depravity, prostitutes who provided anal intercourse or blow jobs were considered niche and were ostracized by other prostitutes.

Look, I'm just pro-kissing. If that puts me on the wrong side of the 1800s New York than so be it.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

WoodrowSkillson posted:

Do you also believe movies and video games directly cause violence than, or is that considered separate? Violent music too? People can be influenced by all of those things, and pornography, but I have never seen anything to give them the power to drive such acts alone.

Yes, I do think that for example movies that glorify war promote a culture of war.

Tolkien minority
Feb 14, 2012


get rid of all violent rap music too its what causes those urbans to do crimes

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

No Yanda's allowed

WoodrowSkillson posted:

advertising does not make people kill, maim, or rape.

No, but it certainly gets them to go out and buy a big Mac or have a drink a Coke or buy a certain car just because their emulating what they see in a commercial. I don't even like coke but sometimes I'll think "man, a nice cold glass of Coca Cola would be just perfect right now". Advertising doesn't have a focus on doing things like killing or naming or raping as you say but you know what I bet if it did that it absolutely would influence people's behaviour because were influenced by the social spihere around us, and that includes advertising

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Oct 15, 2012

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Biscuit Hider
can we leave anime out of this? i know people are upset about anal incest facefuck porn but goku did nothing wrong

Ride The Gravitron
May 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
When/how did you get comfortable with talking about farting/pooping with your significant other? I'm [25/m] and she's [26/f].

My girlfriend and I are currently in a long distance relationship, but she's moving here soon and I don't know how to get more comfortable with just having to fart or take a dump without feeling super self-conscious around her. How'd you do it? Any awkward or horror stories?

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

54 40 or gently caress posted:

No, but it certainly gets them to go out and buy a big Mac or have a drink a Coke or buy a certain car just because their emulating what they see in a commercial. I don't even like coke but sometimes I'll think "man, a nice cold glass of Coca Cola would be just perfect right now". Advertising doesn't have a focus on doing things like killing or naming or raping as you say but you know what I bet if it did that it absolutely would influence people's behaviour because were influenced by the social spihere around us, and that includes advertising

I agree, but I would argue that there has been propaganda, a form of advertising, that has effectively encouraged violence including killing.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


:suicide:

WoodrowSkillson
Feb 24, 2005

*Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

54 40 or gently caress posted:

No, but it certainly gets them to go out and buy a big Mac or have a drink a Coke or buy a certain car just because their emulating what they see in a commercial. I don't even like coke but sometimes I'll think "man, a nice cold glass of Coca Cola would be just perfect right now". Advertising doesn't have a focus on doing things like killing or naming or raping as you say but you know what I bet if it did that it absolutely would influence people's behaviour because were influenced by the social spihere around us, and that includes advertising

No it would not because buying a cheeseburger is not the same as violating all of societies taboos and rules in order to commit an act of violence against another human being. media will not cause you to do that.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

WampaLord posted:

Pick, do you think men watch porn in the same way we watch movies or TV shows? The time invested is way way different.

yeah I watch way way way more porn

Ride The Gravitron posted:

When/how did you get comfortable with talking about farting/pooping with your significant other? I'm [25/m] and she's [26/f].

My girlfriend and I are currently in a long distance relationship, but she's moving here soon and I don't know how to get more comfortable with just having to fart or take a dump without feeling super self-conscious around her. How'd you do it? Any awkward or horror stories?

IDK if it's the current digression or just my expectations for r/relationships but it took me a second to realize he wasn't talking about having to poop on her

Clark Nova
Jul 18, 2004

WoodrowSkillson posted:

advertising does not make people kill, maim, or rape.

but it should :ussr:

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

Pick posted:

I would argue that there has been propaganda, a form of advertising, that has effectively encouraged violence including killing.

How does this fit with massively lower crime rates over the past decades, including violent crime?

Tolkien minority
Feb 14, 2012


ok i declare this derail about picking (:smuggo:) pick's broken brain OFFICIALLY. OVER!

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
I am immune to all social messaging affecting my wiener!

* yet another story about a man who completely destroyed his relationship because his penis is only 5 inches long*

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

Pick is literally just saying that advertising works, on a subconscious level, and influences your behavior. That's completely absurd to argue against. Playing CoD doesn't make you go out and shoot people, but it absolutely influences your behavior in the short term to be far more assertive.

I'd take it further and say that in America, our weird puritanical terror at the idea of seeing a breast on TV or whatever has really backfired - there's not a whole lot of genuine, healthy sexual relationships portrayed in the type of media people have access to when they're developing, so they're more likely to either look it up themselves and stumble onto something weird/violent/degrading, or go the opposite route and end up fixated on something normally benign turned bizarre like Sonic inflation reverse-vore.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

WampaLord posted:

How does this fit with massively lower crime rates over the past decades, including violent crime?

We have considerably less of that kind of propaganda now, and we have access to many alternative viewpoints. I am talking about things that for example encouraged the Rwandan genocide and Spanish fascists.

WoodrowSkillson
Feb 24, 2005

*Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

Pick posted:

I agree, but I would argue that there has been propaganda, a form of advertising, that has effectively encouraged violence including killing.

Which carries with it the power of national culture, effectively creating a scenario wherein one can violate normal taboos such as murder, without societal or moral consequence as the act is validated as "good"


A weirdo rapist kid finding a video he likes is not the same as the video causing the kid to becomes a weirdo rapist. Same as Dahmer liking gay porn.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

La Brea Carpet posted:

Hey, I have this 30-year-old hand grenade and want to pull then pin and toss it at my loving, caring wife.


tl;dr: I cheated on my wife, whom I've been with for 43 years and had 6 children with, one time in high school and have kept it hidden ever since. The guilt is eating me alive but I know confessing is the right thing to do, even though it would needlessly ruin our life together.

Buddy you take this secret straight to the grave and on your deathbed you lie straight through your decrepit teeth as the last of your strength leaves you to wheeze out a final "i have always only ever loved you" before you flatline.

Marijuana Nihilist
Aug 27, 2015

by Smythe
woah are you telling me that what people desire and how they desire it is strongly influenced by culture, and that these things dont just spontaneously appear from a vacuum

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

No Yanda's allowed

WoodrowSkillson posted:

No it would not because buying a cheeseburger is not the same as violating all of societies taboos and rules in order to commit an act of violence against another human being. media will not cause you to do that.

While I don't exactly think it is something that is completely entirely plausible in the modern society that we live in, we can't argue about the fact that there are people who get paid millions and millions of dollars every year just to figure out the perfect formula on how to figure out how to Joe every man to buy this or that on any given day. It's why alcohol and cigarettes are not allowed to advertise on TV or read magazines because they don't want impressionable you to have access to that and see these ads were people are being surrounded by attractive people having a great time :-) laughing all because they're drinking Corona or whatever. Fact of the matter is is that there there's plenty of literature to support the idea that the media does influence our actions and behaviours especially if were exposed to it when we're young children.

And really, what would you call any ads that encourage people to join the army or the Navy?

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Oct 15, 2012

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To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out
Biscuit Hider

food court bailiff posted:

Sonic inflation reverse-vore.

Last time I trust you to keep a secret

Nazzadan
Jun 22, 2016



Nice page-long derail, morons.

I (F19) cried after sex with my boyfriend (M21) (nsfw?)

quote:

This is a throwaway because some of my friends know my main.
So a little background information about my relationship, my boyfriend and I have been dating for 10 months. It's a long distance relationship so we see each 1-2 times a month for a weekend. Our sex life is a rollercoaster, sometimes satisfying, sometimes not. By unsatisfying I mean him finishing early, and not giving me any warning what so ever before it's too late. I'm on birth control so it's not an issue if he comes inside, I just prefer he doesn't if I can't shower right after because the clean up is a pain in the rear end and its rather uncomfortable.
Anyway, this weekend (and the sex) was going fine until this morning when I was surprisingly really in the mood for it(doesn't happen that often, thanks birth control), so we engaged and he ended up finishing early(inside). I wanted to cry right there and then, the emotion was so overwhelming. I went to the bathroom to clean up and I just ended up crying my eyes out. This is the first time this has ever happened to me. I've read that orgasming can cause an overflow of emotions leading to crying, unfortunately I can't orgasm from PIV so I know that's not the answer.

I didn't end up telling him until later in the day and he apologized and had questions obviously, but I couldn't answer them because I had no idea why myself. I felt really bad about it cause I could tell he blamed himself. I told him it could be because I get my period in a couple days and that I'm just more hormonal than usual, which is possible.
What I didn't tell him is that I thought it could be the built up resentment I've been having for a couple months now about him finishing early and coming inside me without my consent. I just never thought that it would cause me to cry uncontrollably after sex. I have talked to him about where he finishes and why I don't always want in it inside and to ask before or during, most of the time he's really good about it. So that leads me to think that him finishing early without warning me when I was really in the mood is the cause. A massive disappointment possibly?

Help me out here reddit. I do plan on talking to him about the resentment when I get home, I just wasn't sure if I should tell him it was the reason I cried or not. I thought an outside opinion would make things more clear.
TL;DR: Not sure if the reason I cried uncontrollably after sex is because of the resentment I have built up towards him about finishing early without warning, or maybe it's because I get my period in a couple days and I'm more hormonal than usual.
I apologize about the formatting/grammar as I'm currently on mobile, and a very crowded bus for the next 3 hours heading home. Please let me know if you need anymore information or if I should post this to /r/sex.


My boyfriend keeps spunking in me without telling me and doesn't let me orgasm, am I overreacting by resenting him?

WoodrowSkillson
Feb 24, 2005

*Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

54 40 or gently caress posted:

While I don't exactly think it is something that is completely entirely plausible in the modern society that we live in, we can't argue about the fact that there are people who get paid millions and millions of dollars every year just to figure out the perfect formula on how to figure out how to Joe every man to buy this or that on any given day. It's why alcohol and cigarettes are not allowed to advertise on TV or read magazines because they don't want impressionable you to have access to that and see these ads were people are being surrounded by attractive people having a great time :-) laughing all because they're drinking Corona or whatever. Fact of the matter is is that there there's plenty of literature to support the idea that the media does influence our actions and behaviours especially if were exposed to it when we're young children.

influence yes, i never disputed that. However its power to influence is equivalent across all motivations. Movies and tv shows show violence all of the time, have become more prevalent than ever, along with far more realistic video games. However society-wide, violence has gone down.

Media's power to influence does not trump the overall societal messaging and morals children are taught. Rapists and murderers do no do so because a tv show or game showed them the act, they decide to violate that taboo on a far more basic level that media is not able to touch.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
I am not even against pornography per se (that would be as stupid as being "against movies") but the normalization of violence and degrading content should be addressed. And it is genuinely weird that so many people cannot stop watching pornography, even when they try, especially when they are still using it on a daily or multi weekly basis despite their own wishes.

Gaunab
Feb 13, 2012
LUFTHANSA YOU FUCKING DICKWEASEL

quote:

I (25F) had a disaster of a date with this guy (26M), how should I proceed?

Ok, so I went on a first meet up for drinks thing with this guy I had been talking to for a few weeks.

We ended up at this bar where he knew lots of people. Throughout the night he kept on disappearing on me to speak to people, have cigarettes outside, etc. All of a sudden he was talking to this girl for a bit and when she left he told me that that was his ex.

I went outside to join him after he had left for a while and we had a nice conversation outside and a very nice moment, when all of a sudden the friend of his ex started talking to us and suddenly his ex girlfriend and her other friend showed up. I started talking to one of his ex girlfriend's friends and his ex girlfriend was sitting close to him, flirting. I felt uneasy with this and felt so inadequate and awkward so I said "Look, if you don't mind I might get going". He shrugged and I left.

Now he is sending me all these messages asking me why I left and arguing that he didn't mean anything and telling me that he really wants to see me again.

I don't know how to process all of this, as it all feels like a big disaster. Any thoughts on this?

tl;dr: disaster of a 'date' where a guy chats profusely to his ex girlfriend. I leave because I feel uncomfortable and he shrugs. Now he is asking to meet again. I don't know how to process this?

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010


I had this exact scenario happen but I had the sense to leave right after her ex showed up.

Tolkien minority
Feb 14, 2012



i dont understand the point of this post. just dont go on another date with the dude, what the gently caress do you expect reddit to tell you

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??

Jesus christ what a shitbag

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

What the gently caress

Clark Nova
Jul 18, 2004

That's why you don't do a first date at one of your regular hangouts. It puts the other person out of their element and makes them uncomfortable if you know everyone there and they don't know anyone.

Sisal Two-Step
May 29, 2006

mom without jaw
dad without wife


i'm taking all the Ls now, sorry

Nazzadan posted:

Nice page-long derail, morons.

I (F19) cried after sex with my boyfriend (M21) (nsfw?)



My boyfriend keeps spunking in me without telling me and doesn't let me orgasm, am I overreacting by resenting him?

modern sexual education really needs to include a module on how to recognize signs of abusive partners.

he was using you to make her jealous, dummy.

Dial-a-Dog
May 22, 2001
I went on a first date with someone I have no real investment in at all and it sucked what should I do???

WoodrowSkillson
Feb 24, 2005

*Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

Pick posted:

I am not even against pornography per se (that would be as stupid as being "against movies") but the normalization of violence and degrading content should be addressed. And it is genuinely weird that so many people cannot stop watching pornography, even when they try, especially when they are still using it on a daily or multi weekly basis despite their own wishes.

people get addicted to so much weird poo poo they made a tv show about it, that someone is probably addicted too. toss in jerking it and it seems pretty simple.

Leon Einstein
Feb 6, 2012
I must win every thread in GBS. I don't care how much banal semantic quibbling and shitty posts it takes.

Nazzadan posted:

My boyfriend keeps spunking in me without telling me and doesn't let me orgasm, am I overreacting by resenting him?
Make him wear a condom if jizz makes you cry. He'll also last longer.

Goddamn are kids dumb.

NomChompsky
Sep 17, 2008

While there's a good argument to be made about how advertising and media affect the morality and actions of the people that consume them, I think there's an equally strong argument to be made that people seek out the media and stimulus that best fits with their own fantasies and preconditions, and that goes equally for people who are willing and able to do violence to another person. But then I feel like we get into a weird chicken-egg situation which at its basest level is like the Peter Hitchens argument that swearing too much and in public will cause society to become more callous. Is society more callous because we swear or are we swearing a lot because we were already becoming more callous?

The biggest problem with porn, in my view, is that mass, unregulated consumption of it in a society which is also inherently unwilling to engage with sexuality in any productive or educational sense can have disastrous consequences. I know too many people who learned how sex works from porn and not from educators and loved ones with healthy attitudes about the subject and their best interest in mind. I have experienced this personally, and can say it's a pretty sorry state when you meet a person who says they cannot get off unless their girlfriend lets them cum on a specific part of her body, and in addition is totally ignorant to the fact that it's prudent to examine your own testicles once a month just to make sure you don't die of a treatable cancer.

Gaunab
Feb 13, 2012
LUFTHANSA YOU FUCKING DICKWEASEL
Maybe STOP TALKING ABOUT PORN should be added to the thread title.

quote:

Me [37 M] with my GF [30 F] of 8 years, I am sure she cheated but what do I tell our mutual friends when they ask why we broke up?

Hi, So the question is as the subject heading says but a bit of background:

I have been with my girlfriend for 8 years, I loved her and thought the relationship was going well. We have lived together for 7 years and there have never really been any problems. About 6 months ago my GF was offered a job in another city (we live in a small town although she is originally from a big city). We decided she should take it as it was a good career opportunity and I would look for jobs in that city and move down in the future.

During this time I have had ongoing health issues which the doctor is struggling to diagnose, on top of that there is a real possibility I will be made redundant. With all this on my mind I have obviously been talking through my issues with my GF.

I started to notice she became more distant, not replying to messages and if she did she wasnt asking any questions about me or how I was. Organising weekends to meet up became more difficult, she wasnt interested in doing things with my family etc, basically all the red flags were going up. When we met up I started to notice she was texting the same guy on a regular basis. One day I was using our Samsung Tablet and noticed she was getting messages at 2 am from this guy. My paranoia got the better of me and I did something that I am not proud of and read her messages. I found out that she has been meeting a guy and probably guys behind my back in this new city and lying to me about who she was seeing. I also found out that she met up with another guy in a hotel, it doesn't explicitly say that they did anything but I am not that naive.

So I questioned her about her being so distant an acting like she was single her response was: "Since I have been in the city I've really enjoyed my job, making friends, visiting places etc. I have also felt guilty enjoying it while you were having health/job issues. I obviously care about you but feel like there is little I can do to help you or improve anything for you, especially now we live apart. At the same time I dont think I should be enjoying my life less because of it."

I have never really asked anything of her other than to listen to me talk about my issues - which I assumed (wrongly?) that a partner of 8 years would be happy to do. She hasnt yet aditted to meeting up with guys behind my back or at a hotel (although obviously I know it happened through reading the messages - bad man I know).

I am obviously fairly devastated about this as I thought we were happy and in a strong relationship. After 8 years I thought that any issues we could talk about, instead she decided to act like a single person behind my back and allowed me to find out using underhand methods. I think what hurts the most is that there was no attempt to discuss the issues she had, it was straight to lies and deception. After spending 8 years of my life with her I think I deserved better

So - our friends will obviously ask why we broke up - I dont want to seem bitter but I don't think simply saying its complicated is a fair replication of what happened and even assumes me some responsibility when this was not my fault. Do i just tell people the truth? Sorry for the rant and I hope the post isnt too long and incoherent. Thanks for reading.

tl;dr:Girlfriend became moved to a new city and enjoyed it so much she decided that she didnt need me in her life, instead of talking to me she began meeting up with other guys, including at a hotel. We are obviously going to beak up but we have lots of mutual friends who will ask why? What do I tell them Do i tell them the truth?

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all

Pick posted:

In the time of New York City's "Satan's Circus", its most notorious den of depravity, prostitutes who provided anal intercourse or blow jobs were considered niche and were ostracized by other prostitutes.

American sexual norms were heavily influenced by Victorian society, so any sex was obscene, and anything straying from missionary was frowned upon. Getting a blowie was considered far too "French" for all but the most depraved, and the same went for "French" kissing.

We had anti-masturbation movements.

E: spanking and other bdsm stuff was popular because of course you need to be punished for partaking in shameful acts such as bearing your loins while copulating with your spouse.

Pvt.Scott fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Jan 6, 2017

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A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

NomChompsky posted:

While there's a good argument to be made about how advertising and media affect the morality and actions of the people that consume them, I think there's an equally strong argument to be made that people seek out the media and stimulus that best fits with their own fantasies and preconditions, and that goes equally for people who are willing and able to do violence to another person. But then I feel like we get into a weird chicken-egg situation which at its basest level is like the Peter Hitchens argument that swearing too much and in public will cause society to become more callous. Is society more callous because we swear or are we swearing a lot because we were already becoming more callous?

it's called a positive feedback loop, aka vicious cycle, and it is the standard way in which someone mildly weird progresses from there to insane hosed-up life-dominating obsession

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Jan 6, 2017

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