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Jenner posted:2. Most of the movies we've been mentioning have featured heterosexual relationships. Are there any good gay ones? I Love You Phillip Morris
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Stardust very much evokes the feeling of The Princess Bride. Stardust isn't quite as good--not as witty or snappy or quotable--but it's very, very much cut from the same cloth. Her made me think in a way that very few movies do. When I got done with it, I felt the urge to go talk to people about it. It made me philosophical about life, love, creation, the future, the past...everything. I love both movies.
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Samuel Clemens posted:I Love You Phillip Morris gently caress you, I was gonna say that one. t  tConfusedUs posted:Stardust very much evokes the feeling of The Princess Bride. Stardust isn't quite as good--not as witty or snappy or quotable--but it's very, very much cut from the same cloth. It also owes a big debt to Time Bandits and Gilliam in general. poo poo, it's probably one of my top 5 movies of all time. The book is really good too, one of those rare times where the movie and the book are equally good. It's a quick read too, and aside from one really terrible sex scene, is really well written.
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Anyone else not like Stardust ? The way they handled whatshisname's first love interest just soured me on the whole thing.
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there wolf posted:Anyone else not like Stardust ? The way they handled whatshisname's first love interest just soured me on the whole thing. I'm sure there are people who don't like it, as it "only" has a 77% on RT. I do not want to be friends with any of those people though.  Maybe expand on what you mean though? His "first love interest" is a girl he's clearly not really in love with at all (and vice versa) and his journey of discovering that (as well as how to fight like a crossdressing pirate) is like, the whole point of the story. I've never heard anyone complain about the ending being so completely "happily literally forever after" though, which is something I expected, especially since the book doesn't end the same way at all.
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precision posted:I'm sure there are people who don't like it, as it "only" has a 77% on RT. The film makes Victoria more shallow. In the book she agrees to Tristan's quest to get him to leave her alone, but when he comes back with the Star she wants him to let her out of her promise because she genuinely loves the guy she's going to marry. In the film she's suddenly interested in Tristan when she find out he has the star, and is only marrying that other guy for money/status/whatever. And just to rub in how lovely a marriage that is, the dude is probably gay because he's flirting with Shakespeare at the end. So in a story about a man going on a journey to acquire an object only to discover that that object is actually a person and he will only get her when he accepts that and treats her like one, instead of seeing that as a parallel for how he treated Victoria, throwing his feelings at her and extorting her hand in marriage via bullshit she never cared about, he's just too good for her because she didn't love him back before he had anything.
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Let's be fair, making Humphrey "probably gay" is a strict improvement over the book. e: On thread suggestion, I watched Forgetting Sarah Marshall last night. It's good! But holy poo poo, I had to fight really hard to get past the initial scene where Jason Segel's nudity is played for laughs. Male nudity being played for laughs can work, but when we're allegedly looking at two people who have been having sex presumably for years it's tonally deaf as gently caress to have her make "gross out" faces and keep saying "You should put some clothes on". precision fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Jan 2, 2017 |
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I thought they were awkward faces rather than grossed-out: you've decided to break up with your long-time partner and he greets you by waving his penis around. To my eyes it was also played less for laughs (except the initial meat-slapping sound effect) and more to emphasise the character's vulnerability.
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FiftySeven posted:A straight played Paul Rudd...the brilliant Paul Rudd cameo. What could it possibly be that makes these movies so good... 🤔 (I'm only mostly joking. Paul Rudd is magical.) Of all the movies you've listed in this post I've only seen Enchanted and Forgetting Sarah Marshall. I liked and appreciated them both. I think Mila Kunis is largely the reason why Forgetting Sarah Marshall is so good. She's just amazing. (Also that Paul Rudd cameo but c'mon.) I'm really glad she is escaping the Seth MacFarlane vacuum because I thought she was fantastic in Black Swan. What is it with Natalie Portman and her characters always falling in love with unhinged people? She has so much more potential! precision posted:"You know when I said I knew little about love? That wasn't true. I know a lot about love. I've seen it, centuries and centuries of it, and it was the only thing that made watching your world bearable. All those wars. Pain, lies, hate... It made me want to turn away and never look down again. But when I see the way that mankind loves... You could search to the furthest reaches of the universe and never find anything more beautiful. So yes, I know that love is unconditional. But I also know that it can be unpredictable, unexpected, uncontrollable, unbearable and strangely easy to mistake for loathing, and... What I'm trying to say, Tristan is... I think I love you. Is this love, Tristan? I never imagined I'd know it for myself. My heart... It feels like my chest can barely contain it. Like it's trying to escape because it doesn't belong to me any more. It belongs to you. And if you wanted it, I'd wish for nothing in exchange - no gifts. No goods. No demonstrations of devotion. Nothing but knowing you loved me too. Just your heart, in exchange for mine." OKAY. BRB I am getting two boxes of tissues and some Lindt chocolate and watching the gently caress out of Stardust now. Samuel Clemens posted:I Love You Phillip Morris Seen it. Loved it. Recommend it to any who haven't seen it yet. I should watch it again. I was gonna make a big rear end post about depictions of poverty and families in poverty in movies but I think it is just too loosely connected to Romantic Comedies and there Ilk to be posted in this thread. I'll try to find a thread to post about it in and link to it here for those that are interested. (Or maybe just make a more general "Jenner talks about poo poo" thread in Ask/Tell or Debate and Discussion or something.) On gay romantic comedies: Why do I love But I'm a Cheerleader and Clea DuVall so much?
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Haven't watched it in ages but I recall But I'm a Cheerleader being absolutely brilliant. Ru Paul is a delight in it. e: Forgot to echo earlier, that I Love You, Man is really fun. Paul Rudd is stupidly entertaining in like, everything ever. precision fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Jan 4, 2017 |
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precision posted:Paul Rudd is stupidly entertaining in like, everything ever. Unless he is Paul Stephen Rudd in Halloween 6
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precision posted:Haven't watched it in ages but I recall But I'm a Cheerleader being absolutely brilliant. Ru Paul is a delight in it. Ru Paul Rudd
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I can't believe I forgot about But I'm a Cheerleader. LGBT movie history is clearly so terrible that it's polluted my brain and made it hard to remember the few gems.
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xeria posted:I can't believe I forgot about But I'm a Cheerleader. LGBT movie history is clearly so terrible that it's polluted my brain and made it hard to remember the few gems. It doesn't help that a lot of queer films, especially the ones with money behind them, are dramas and art house dramas at that. I wouldn't say My Own Private Idaho is a bad film, but it's not something you throw on for a fun movie night. And it's not a rom com, but anyone looking for a fun LGBT film should try and find a copy of Killer Condom.
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I come with recommendations!!! But I'm a Cheerleader is awesome and I love it~ There aren't enough good happy LGBT movies. Earth Girls are Easy - this is mostly a highly regarded movie of mine because it's got super hot Jeff Goldblum. It's super light and bubbly and hopefully I'm not forgetting some terrible messaging in it. Groundhog Day - mostly a comedy with elements of romance. A classic in a lot of ways Heathers - Dark comedy about a teen romance, proto- Mean Girls and Winona Ryder (love forever, huge crush) Grosse Pointe Blank - John Cusack, Minnie Driver, high school reunions, and assassinations The Proposal - I like a lot of Sandra Bullock and I thought this was really cute for a bland premise. Flipped power dynamics than standard romcom fare, female boss/male subordinate Zack and Miri Make a Porno - I remember loving this and I know the two main leads fall in love while trying to make a porn for money. Has some gross out humor Wristcutters: A Love Story - Indie movie about a purgatory suicides get sent to and a love story that happens Cashback - Love love love this. Guy with insomnia finds he can pause time. Some creeper guy stuff but I remember it being good so I hope it actually was Amelie - French film about a very very quirky girl ( like the definition of manic pixie dream girl) solves people's problems and finds love. Super awesome color palette and teeth achingly sweet Bridesmaids - Awesome in every way, woman deals with feeling like a failure while being the maid of honor for her best friend. Crazy funny and vulgar and top notch performances and actresses Clueless - Not sure if this was mentioned yet but a valley girl version of Jane Austen's Emma. Love it to death Bridget Jone's Diary - More of a guilty pleasure, modern remake of Austen's Pride And Prejudice with Colin Firth and Renée Zellweger
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there wolf posted:It doesn't help that a lot of queer films, especially the ones with money behind them, are dramas and art house dramas at that. I wouldn't say My Own Private Idaho is a bad film, but it's not something you throw on for a fun movie night. Yeah, dramas and tragedies definitely have a large share of the queer film spectrum, and they're almost always also the same movies the general viewing audience are aware of (in large part because, like you said, that's where the money goes). Television's made pretty big strides in queer characters and storylines over the past several years (the whole Bury Your Gays thing aside) that I hope some of that really starts to make its way into film. There are certainly more stories to tell about the LGBTQ experience(s) than just (sad) coming out stories, anyway. (Side note, an LGBTQ movie thread could be a pretty fun/interesting deep dive. Or maybe I just would feel better knowing that someone else out there got forced to watch Claire of the Moon.)
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there wolf posted:It doesn't help that a lot of queer films, especially the ones with money behind them, are dramas and art house dramas at that. I wouldn't say My Own Private Idaho is a bad film, but it's not something you throw on for a fun movie night. You are saying Fox and his friends is not a fun date movie?
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xeria posted:I can't believe I forgot about But I'm a Cheerleader. LGBT movie history is clearly so terrible that it's polluted my brain and made it hard to remember the few gems. But I'm A Cheerleader is excellent, one of the best of all time.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:But I'm A Cheerleader is excellent, one of the best of all time. If anyone else has any great LGBT romances with happy endings (I'd love romcoms but I know those are almost entirely hetero) I'd love to hear them! One of my fave LGBT movies is Weekend and it's sad and lovely. So! Has anyone else here seen My Best Friend's Wedding? I dislike this movie pretty intensely. I know that it ends up actually recognizing that the main character is acting terribly but it feels like a wet fart. It has a lot of the worst cliches that feel very anti-feminist to me. Having to get married by a certain time, women being crazy and illogical, that romances/people are to be 'won', and that's just off the top of my head. Does anyone like this film? Am I wrong? Also found this interesting article on them here: https://medium.com/matter/money-all-right-money-money-money-869391578f65#.z1dy9z8ic tl;dr on it to interest clicking the link, looking at how romcoms have shifted from the rich to the more regular with elements of money/wealth still being involved
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Have to say, didn't really enjoy Kissing Jessica Stein. Didn't really like the main protagonist, and the way they treated lesbianism was painfully 90s.
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there wolf posted:And it's not a rom com, but anyone looking for a fun LGBT film should try and find a copy of Killer Condom. Yeah don't let the name fool you, Killer Condom is a seriously good movie about a gay man. And there's also a killer condom on offer.
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Shirec posted:If anyone else has any great LGBT romances with happy endings (I'd love romcoms but I know those are almost entirely hetero) I'd love to hear them! One of my fave LGBT movies is Weekend and it's sad and lovely. The other day I was thinking of some movie and thought "at least Best Friend's Wedding made her apologize and be sorry for what she did" and now I'm really annoyed that I can't remember what it was that BFW was marginally better than. Yeah, that one is a real stinker, and one of a couple of Julia Roberts films where her character should be the villain, but because it's Julia Roberts you get this incredibly sympathetic framing that makes you wonder what kind of drugs the filmmakers were on. Runaway Bride is another one, and probably even worse because it's a genuinely awful heroine backed by a whole community of toxic busybodies who we're all just supposed to love because they're all just such quirky characters!
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there wolf posted:The other day I was thinking of some movie and thought "at least Best Friend's Wedding made her apologize and be sorry for what she did" and now I'm really annoyed that I can't remember what it was that BFW was marginally better than. Yeah, that one is a real stinker, and one of a couple of Julia Roberts films where her character should be the villain, but because it's Julia Roberts you get this incredibly sympathetic framing that makes you wonder what kind of drugs the filmmakers were on. If you ever want to vomit with anger, watch Babycakes (1989) in that vein. It might make a good romcom hate watch. It's a TV movie starring Ricki Lake, and she is a fat girl and thus deserves to be ridiculed and the idea she could ever attract a man is hilarious!!!!!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FIlx4lHxsA Clip of some highlights, it's very easy to find the full movie. It's got it all, hateful families, dubious consent, women scheming against women, lovely best friends, women shaming, and amazing late 80s clothes/hair
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Shirec posted:If you ever want to vomit with anger, watch Babycakes (1989) in that vein. It might make a good romcom hate watch. It's a TV movie starring Ricki Lake, and she is a fat girl and thus deserves to be ridiculed and the idea she could ever attract a man is hilarious!!!!! I think the We Hate Movies podcast did Babycakes and that was enough. I like hatewatches but that seems like it'd just be enraging. Rewatched Saving Face tonight and it's still great so I reiterate my recommendation. I know a lot of queer people have a problem with how being in the closet dominates a lot of gay romance films with a character being unwilling to tell friends and family making up the major conflict. This movie helped me realize why that setup works in some films and why it doesn't in others. When being in the closet is used as an excuse to avoid commitment, with the conflict being between the lovers who are fighting over what their relationship is, it's fine. But all to often it's used to frame the story around the relationship between the queer person and their friends/family instead (see Jenny's Wedding for an example.) Coming out and dealing with the expectations of your family/community are a big part of Saving Face but it's not at the expense of the romantic relationship.
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It's not a romantic comedy in the traditional sense, but Pride is another good film about LGBT relationships that's quite funny without downplaying the challenges these groups face. It also stars thread darling Bill Nighy.
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there wolf posted:I think the We Hate Movies podcast did Babycakes and that was enough. I like hatewatches but that seems like it'd just be enraging. I appreciated that the struggle to come out was also a part of a greater "dealing with your parents/family/community and their expectations of you". Wil being out to her mom, Vivian struggling with her dad's expectations of her as a dancer, Wil's mom getting shunned by the entire community, etc. There's a lot more to Saving Face than I'd come to expect out of LGBT films to date, and it's all mostly handled well.
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blue squares posted:Can someone recommend to me some great romantic comedies from pre-1980? Preferably ones that also are great films (direction, editing, etc), but really just wonderful love stories make me happy. I plan to watch Harold and Maude, and I've seen Annie Hall, but I want to know more. I've seen all of the essential rom coms of the 80s and onward (because it is secretly my favorite genre), but not many of the ones earlier. there's a post upthread which covers some essentials but misses a lot. the essential directors are frank capra, howard hawks, ernst lubitsch, leo mccarey, gregory la cava, george cukor, mitchell leisen, and preston sturges. essential films that haven't been named include girl shy, twentieth century, design for living, dinner at eight, hands across the table, my man godfrey, easy living, holiday, you can't take it with you, remember the night, christmas in july, that uncertain feeling, the palm beach story, miracle of morgan's creek, ball of fire, the moon is blue actors who did lots of good work in the genre would be like... claudette colbert, cary grant, irene dunne, katherine hepburn, carole lombard, gary cooper, fred macmurray, henry fonda, barbara stanywck, spencer tracy, jean arthur my interest begins to wane after the 40s but if you like wilder or mgm musicals or the rock hudson/doris day movies then there may be some of interest to you. that said, i like the later hawks comedies despite their relatively low reputation (like monkey business, i was a male war bride, man's favorite sport?) post-60s there's not a whole lot to work with... elaine may, albert brooks, james l. brooks, hal hartley, and whit stillman are the key names. and someone already mentioned it but down with love is easily the best post-2000 romantic comedy. if you want some foreign language stuff, eric rohmer's 80s material is incredble although they are more funny when taken in the broadest possible context rather than in individual moments. Radio Spiricom fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Jan 7, 2017 |
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Jenner posted:I was gonna make a big rear end post about depictions of poverty and families in poverty in movies but I think it is just too loosely connected to Romantic Comedies and there Ilk to be posted in this thread. I'll try to find a thread to post about it in and link to it here for those that are interested. (Or maybe just make a more general "Jenner talks about poo poo" thread in Ask/Tell or Debate and Discussion or something.) virtually every pre-50s romantic comedy is about class and family
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Shirec posted:If anyone else has any great LGBT romances with happy endings (I'd love romcoms but I know those are almost entirely hetero) I'd love to hear them! One of my fave LGBT movies is Weekend and it's sad and lovely. Might give Desert Hearts a go- not a rom-com but pretty well done I thought.
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Is this the right place to talk about La La Land because I cannot stop thinking about it? Go see it if you haven't yet.
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Its a bit out on the edge of the genre, but I was always partial to Always with Richard Dreyfuss and Holly Hunter. If Raising Arizon didnt lock in a lifelong love of Holly, this sure did. Roxanne with Steve Martin and Daryl Hannah is sublime.
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Moreau posted:Roxanne with Steve Martin and Daryl Hannah is sublime. That's the re-imagining of Cyrano, right? I used to love that flick.
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Moreau posted:Its a bit out on the edge of the genre, but I was always partial to Always with Richard Dreyfuss and Holly Hunter. If Raising Arizon didnt lock in a lifelong love of Holly, this sure did. Crash is another great one with Holly Hunter
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Radio Spiricom posted:virtually every pre-50s romantic comedy is about class and family Is that so? Well good because I could not find any other thread for this post! I'm going to try to keep this short and sweet. I am notorious for posting long rear end  diatribes.So, I grew up in poverty. I am the first person on my father's side of the family to ever go to college and only the second on my mother's side. I grew up in a community that was largely black and Latino. There were no parks or green spaces, the nearest grocery store was 50 minutes away and the education system was terrible. Teachers spent more time trying to calm the class down and maintain order than teach. In most media where families in poverty are featured they are depicted several ways: 1. As toxic hateful parasites mooching off the system. (Million Dollar Baby) 2. As a strong close knit family banding together to overcome adversity. (Everybody Hates Chris, Good Times) 3. Drunk, homeless, drug abusers. These characters are almost exclusively white men and often elderly. (With Honors) 4. Bright, promising youths from troubled backgrounds who triumph on their wits and brilliance. These characters are also almost exclusively white men. (Good Will Hunting) Poverty-stricken communities are often depicted as being run down, boarded up, crawling with criminal activity and rife with gangs and gang violence. What I have found from my experiences in poverty, and as someone who personally relied upon the social support system in America, is this: 1. I have never once met a Welfare Queen and I'm not sure they exist. There are toxic and hostile people but they are just assholes, not moochers. Everyone I encountered on the system was either working 1-2 jobs or genuinely unable to work. In my experience, your cousin's friend who knows a guy is a loving liar who doesn't know what he's talking about. 2. Most families in poverty are consumed by infighting and wrought with physical and emotional abuse. (As well as substance abuse.) They do not band together and triumph against adversity. They drag each other down and cannibalize each other to try to survive. Families that tough it out and stick together were rare, I only met one. It was much more common for children to steal from each other and their parents and predate on one another. Relationships were strained. I, personally, haven't spoken to my family in years. 3. Alcoholism was not uncommon but drug use was largely rare. This may have changed. I managed to escape poverty in the mid oughts before the opioid epidemic really escalated. We did have a bit of a crack problem (it was the 80s and 90s after all) but it was not a major blow to my community. (I have heard it devastated other communities however and I believe it.) 4. There were a lot of kids in my community that I thought were exceptionally bright and clever. The poor schools and shoddy education system failed them. They were not prepared for college and largely fell through the cracks. Of the kids I grew up with? Almost half of the girls got pregnant and quietly disappeared. Others dropped out. Of my class of 600 I think only 75 of us managed to graduate. They bullied me viciously so I didn't really follow up on any of them or keep in touch. I only know of one of them that went to college (because he friended me on Facebook.) As cruel as they were, none of them deserved that life. In regards to gang and criminal activity? There were a couple of gangs and they kind of laid claim to an area. If you were born in that area you "belonged" to that gang and you really didn't have much say in the matter. But there weren't a lot of shootings or killings (though some stabbings and beatings.) They largely just sassed each other and vandalized each other's turfs. I largely avoided it and wasn't really harassed for that (I feel like this was because I was white as the black and Latino kids were hassled to get involved.) Crimes like muggings and robberies were uncommon but vandalism was pretty rampant. I heard varying reports of shoplifting but I didn't notice it happening with a troubling frequency. There was a lot of loitering and police liked to roll through our community and harass us. TL;DR: The media does not really depict poverty in a realistic way. Those heartwarming stories of a kid breaking the cycle are tragically rare and it's only becoming more risky and dangerous to try. In general the community largely keeps to itself. Families are often depicted always being present and involved and having enough food and scraping by but that's just not the case. Mothers/parents often went without food so their kids could eat and they worked long hours into the night, leaving their children to fend for themselves. This is just my experience and perception of poverty and life in poverty. I cannot speak for all people in poverty. But the media depiction is either too ideal/romantic or too condemning. Real poverty is soul crushing and devastating and no amount of hard work and gumption can get you out of it. You have to get lucky. This post was still real long. I am terrible at this.
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i was gonna make a longer post but short answer is yes, the romantic comedy in the sound era began during the great depression and acted as escapism from the economic hardship of the time through depicting lavish lifestyles aspirationally while simultaneously mocking them by depicting the idle rich as eccentrics, hapless idiots, alcoholics, or just generally morally callous and the poor as noble and levelheaded, and arguing that love is the great class equalizer. they aren't without their issues though, obviously -- they're hollywood studio product and not the rules of the game. unfortunately i can't think of any off the top of my head with charitable depictions of poor families rather than poor individuals. in the latter regard, holiday might be the best of the bunch. i'll also suggest sturges, most of his films have a very strong anti-establishment subtext and are extremely subversive for the time. he's sort of like the anti-capra. how something like miracle of morgan's creek made it through the production code is insane. Radio Spiricom fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Jan 10, 2017 |
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Radio Spiricom posted:i was gonna make a longer post but short answer is yes, the romantic comedy in the sound era began during the great depression and acted as escapism from the economic hardship of the time through depicting lavish lifestyles aspirationally while simultaneously mocking them by depicting the idle rich as eccentrics, hapless idiots, alcoholics, or just generally morally callous and the poor as noble and levelheaded, and arguing that love is the great class equalizer. they aren't without their issues though, obviously -- they're hollywood studio product and not the rules of the game. Hmm. That whole, "Only the poor get love" message seems to be pretty common in class dynamics. The same message is attributed to nobility, the young countess (or whatever) renounces her noble lineage and vast inheritance to wed the cobbler's son because ~love~ That whole, "Money can't buy you happiness" message too! With miserable over achieving businessmen suffering from a lack of love. Money might not be able to buy you happiness but it buys you security, stability, and comfort which is like happiness but better. (And you sure as gently caress don't have any of that in poverty.) I don't want to imply when I say families in poverty steal from and cannibalize each other and are thick with abuse that people in poverty are terrible people. I think the stressful environment breeds these hostile conditions. When you have such precious few resources and are all competing for them it's gonna cause strained and fractured relationships at best. I remember a point in Little House on the Prarie where the family was discussing which of their brilliant and gifted daughters they would send to school and which they would keep at home to run the farm. With the understanding that they could only afford to do so for one of them and that it was her sole chance for a better life. They were deciding which of their children had the most promise and potential and were worth investing in. They vocalized how unlikely it was to work regardless, that they were taking a chance, and knew full well they were condemning every other child to a life of hardship. Little House on the Prairie was about Frontier Life but that's some loving poverty poo poo right there. I know families that had that same conversation and had to make that decision. Grim. Anyway, romantic comedies!
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I liked The Proposal but I think it only worked because Ryan Reynolds and Sandra Bullock had good chemistry. I think that on-screen chemistry is about the only thing that makes most rom-coms watchable, in fact. I guess most people would consider Knocked Up a comedy but, off the top of my head, it is a movie that has two romantic leads that have pretty bad chemistry. As cited above, the chemistry between Steve Martin and Daryl Hannah makes Roxanne work really well.
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Jenner posted:TL;DR: The media does not really depict poverty in a realistic way. Those heartwarming stories of a kid breaking the cycle are tragically rare and it's only becoming more risky and dangerous to try. In general the community largely keeps to itself. Families are often depicted always being present and involved and having enough food and scraping by but that's just not the case. Mothers/parents often went without food so their kids could eat and they worked long hours into the night, leaving their children to fend for themselves. Jenner this articulates so well a lot of things I've seen. I grew up adjacent to poverty because of family, and this rang so true it felt like a physical bell. Here's some other interesting reads about romcoms and their adaptations to social changes https://acclancy.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/changing-ideologies-within-the-romantic-comedy-genre-in-the-21st-century/ https://www.overthinkingit.com/2014/02/27/romantic-comedy-income/ http://www.ojcmt.net/articles/53/531.pdf (A Qualitative Textual and Comparative Analysis of the Representation of Masculinity in the Action and Romantic Comedy Genres) I was thinking Lars and the Real Girl may be better at depicting the careful balance that you have to live in to maintain a certain lifestyle. House paid off by parents or maybe even grandparents as well, carefully taken care of clothes, small towns getting by. Also I know Loving isn't a romcom but it is real and focuses on people in much tighter circumstances. jet sanchEz posted:I liked The Proposal but I think it only worked because Ryan Reynolds and Sandra Bullock had good chemistry. I think that on-screen chemistry is about the only thing that makes most rom-coms watchable, in fact. Chemistry is def make or break for these movies. I have to think that's why Katherine Heigl dropped off a bit since she came off as cold in a lot of her movies.
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Samuel Clemens posted:It's not a romantic comedy in the traditional sense, but Pride is another good film about LGBT relationships that's quite funny without downplaying the challenges these groups face. It also stars thread darling Bill Nighy. In the same vein, I really liked the relationships in Milk. Really good movie.
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Jenner posted:
It all comes down to selling a vision of life where people can feel good about themselves, either the poor can help themselves out, or the poor are poor because they deserve it. The fact that so many people in the industry, like all industries, come from middle class/rich classes doesn't help either. The only thing you can do and others escaping from the proverty trap can do is write and share their experiences as I can. I was never poor myself, but my mom was in essence a single mom, and so seeing that type of close family never seemed that realistic to me either. And as far as my poor relations, I did my best to avoid them, because even as a kid I knew how hard I needed to avoid that type of life (selfishly or not).
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