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Jurgan posted:It's good to be skeptical of official sources, but rejecting them without question is just as dumb as accepting them without question. Conspiracy theorists love to act like they're smarter than the mainstream sheeple, but all they do is substitute Alex Jones or Breitbart in the place of "people I always trust." Also wasn't the WMD intelligence was essentially fabricated by the Bush administration who wanted to go to war with Iraq from the beginning? So it wasn't Bush acting on bad info. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw
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SwitchbladeKult posted:I know far too many people in real life that think this way. Many times I've been "accused" of being gay because I've said gays should have the same marriage rights I have. When I follow up their accusation with a simple "Why do I have to be gay to want others to be happy?" they generally have no response. I truly believe they've never thought it through because they are trapped in some homophobic echo chamber. These same people will wrap themselves in the mantle of endless compassion and generosity, and draw themselves as ultimately peaceful and benevolent - despite never once in their lives performing even the least of actions exemplifying these virtues.
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The Ape of Naples posted:Also wasn't the WMD intelligence was essentially fabricated by the Bush administration who wanted to go to war with Iraq from the beginning? So it wasn't Bush acting on bad info. They rejected intel that said Saddam had no active WMDs and embraced intel that said he did. One Iraqi defector told them that Saddam had destroyed his WMDs and was ignored (when he was lured back to Iraq, he was killed by the regime). Chablai or whoever swore up and down that there were active WMDs in Iraq and that got put in the reports. It's like policy dictates intelligence and not the other way around.
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Dees is going to have to crank up the output if he wants to catch Garrison in the batshit department. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11Skulls really should come with a warning label.
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Stultus Maximus posted:So is Michael loving Ramirez the only conservative pundit who is consistently anti-Assange? What a world we live in. One of the compliments I could give Ramirez is that he's consistent. I often get the feeling that guys like Garrison aren't as deep in the pit as they actually want you to believe and are cashing in on political movements, but I think Ramirez has beliefs and specifically voices them, whatever they may be.
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Yes, I suppose that is the pertinent bits of the Obama legacy if you're a well off white dude in a coastal state with a constant fixation on how the only correct person is you and a total inability to comprehend scale or context, Tedd Rall 
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Plan Z posted:One of the compliments I could give Ramirez is that he's consistent. I often get the feeling that guys like Garrison aren't as deep in the pit as they actually want you to believe and are cashing in on political movements, but I think Ramirez has beliefs and specifically voices them, whatever they may be. I know I asked before but has he actually made a cartoon featuring a caricature of Trump yet? I feel like he was looking forward to at least four years of drawing Hillary again and getting to sidestep the issue of Trump entirely but I don't know how much longer he can put it off.
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Jan 9, 2017 20:13
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Goddamn but the Soviet Union is alive in the hearts of cartoonists.
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R.I.P. 100's of millions dead due to Barack Obama's invention, Middle East
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The Ape of Naples posted:Also wasn't the WMD intelligence was essentially fabricated by the Bush administration who wanted to go to war with Iraq from the beginning? So it wasn't Bush acting on bad info. Though the so-called intelligence information was cherry picked and already debunked before it was presented to the United Nations, there's no need for speculation since weapons inspectors were sent to Iraq and failed to find the "thousands of tons" of Sarin gas, botulism toxin, and so on. Bush publicly said that Saddam is "deceiving the inspectors!" and ordered the invasion. Democrats did a great job bringing those responsible to war crimes hearings. 
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Garrison posted:Remember how racism was supposed to be over when he was elected? The racial division was made much worse under his leadership. NO SANE PERSON SAID THIS, AND THE INCREASED RACISM IS YOU
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Jurgan posted:It's good to be skeptical of official sources, but rejecting them without question is just as dumb as accepting them without question. Conspiracy theorists love to act like they're smarter than the mainstream sheeple, but all they do is substitute Alex Jones or Breitbart in the place of "people I always trust." I think this is a bit of an oversimplification. If Alex Jones and Breitbart and the like all came out one day and said "actually we were wrong, Trump is awful and a puppet of the Soviet Union trying to bring communism to the United States, we should have gone with notorious blue dog Democrat Hillary, who is awesome like Sarah Palin and doesn't molest children at all", then I don't think their followers would go along with it; I think they'd denounce Alex Jones, Breitbart, etc as part of the conspiracy. I don't think the conspiracy theorists blindly follow their leaders; I think that their leaders have successfully figured out the narrative that they want to hear.
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TheBigAristotle posted:NO SANE PERSON SAID THIS, AND THE INCREASED RACISM IS YOU Yeah literally the only people who said racism was over were right wing assholes who thought blacks should universally stop complaining about racism because one black man became president.
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21 Muns posted:I think this is a bit of an oversimplification. If Alex Jones and Breitbart and the like all came out one day and said "actually we were wrong, Trump is awful and a puppet of the Soviet Union trying to bring communism to the United States, we should have gone with notorious blue dog Democrat Hillary, who is awesome like Sarah Palin and doesn't molest children at all", then I don't think their followers would go along with it; I think they'd denounce Alex Jones, Breitbart, etc as part of the conspiracy. I don't think the conspiracy theorists blindly follow their leaders; I think that their leaders have successfully figured out the narrative that they want to hear. Nice.
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"Michelle is secretly a man!" will be among the weirder right wing conspiracy theories.
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Ramirez is still in Bush-era neocon shill mode and doesn't know how to process Trump so the best he can do is say liberals are also bad.
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SeANMcBAY posted:Ramirez is still in Bush-era neocon shill mode and doesn't know how to process Trump so the best he can do is say liberals are also bad. At least he isn't joining gruppenführer Garrison in his shameless felating of the Drumpster. Gotta give him that.
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Pants Donkey posted:"Michelle is secretly a man!" will be among the weirder right wing conspiracy theories. "Will be"?
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Do I want to know what "Bh Burger" is supposed to mean? Pretty sure it isn't "Bal Harbor".
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Sandpuppy posted:Do I want to know what "Bh Burger" is supposed to mean? Pretty sure it isn't "Bal Harbor". Barack Hussein, I guess.
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Sandpuppy posted:Do I want to know what "Bh Burger" is supposed to mean? Pretty sure it isn't "Bal Harbor". It stands for Burger Heaven, you can see it in a couple spots in the cartoon.
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Sandpuppy posted:Do I want to know what "Bh Burger" is supposed to mean? Pretty sure it isn't "Bal Harbor". "Barack hussein" is my best guess  e: beaten AND proven wrong
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Oh yeahhhhh, I remember these two now. Never saw those others, though.
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Not a political cartoon, but it's a cartoon, and political. We live in a hosed up era.
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Samurai Sanders posted:To the next generation Twitter really will be seen as synonymous with Trump, won't it? And maybe to the end of America as a superpower. This is from pages back, but my sister works for Twitter and from what I understand they really chafe at the association. He is destroying their brand and driving away advertisers.
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Red Ryder posted:He is destroying their brand and driving away advertisers.
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Xander77 posted:The gently caress was the Twitter "brand" before he came along? Who was going "yeah, this is a great platform for productive communication"? It was just a fun social media platform. But their association with
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Xander77 posted:The gently caress was the Twitter "brand" before he came along? Who was going "yeah, this is a great platform for productive communication"? Racists, kkk members, neo nazis and other deplorables that you hadn't heard of.
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Begemot posted:It was just a fun social media platform. But their association with They suspended Martin Shkreli the other day for being incredibly creepy towards a female reporter. Twitter used to be the place to go for light, quick bites of things. Comedians posting one-liners, celebrities posting bits of their off-camera life, FYAD posters being surreal, the possibility that a famous person might spy something you wrote and dash off a personal reply to it. But these days everyone knows the chance of an army of shitheads descending on you is too high and rising.
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sirtommygunn posted:It stands for Burger Heaven, you can see it in a couple spots in the cartoon. I guess so, but it seems oddly specific. There's already a "Burger Heaven" and their logo looks nothing like that. I already figured it wasn't "Barack Hussein", since the H would be the bold letter in that case. Just seems weird for Ramirez to put the effort into making a logo like that that doesn't also drop a sick Obama burn.
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Meanwhile, in Russian political cartoon news: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btLZwPtYAE4 Yes, that's an actual, real thing.
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Red Ryder posted:This is from pages back, but my sister works for Twitter and from what I understand they really chafe at the association. He is destroying their brand and driving away advertisers. So why don't they ban him?
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Who What Now posted:So why don't they ban him? Omg imagine the shitstorm. DO IT, DO IT YOU SUNSABITCHES!
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Who What Now posted:So why don't they ban him? Why haven't they banned any of the other maniacs who threaten or brag about raping people? Why don't they ban any of the Nazis that say they're going to track people down and murder them? Why didn't they prevent a potential nuclear holocaust by banning Trump a year ago?
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Who What Now posted:So why don't they ban him? When you're famous they let you do what ever you want.
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