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This guy's allowed to keep coming back again and again but that's all fine because there's no such thing as racism on SA. Racism is a fake idea made up by troublemakers like me.
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Fados posted:what would you call the process through which way the brain interprets these things when relating to art, maybe hummmmm, culture? What scale(s) a style of music uses does not define what that style is This is why metal without distortion just sounds like surf rock since they both generally use the same scales yet are two very different styles of music.
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Fados posted:Lemme tell you how the friggin traditional sing songs in my own country from literal unliterate peasant girls washing their dirty husband's clothes down in the river are obviously based in the islamic oriental scale and tradition. A little detail is that these girls are white as white can be. Are they culturally appropriating or exchanging? Hahaha oh man. "Islamic oriental scale" eh? TB has already demonstrated that outside of music terminology you are just obstinately refusing to listen, but that's just icing on the cake. Plus bonus sexism, if they have husbands you'd think these ladies would be women, not girls.
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Fados posted:of course, i agree with this, in art there is only good (original) cultural appropriation and bad (unoriginal) cultural appropriation. cultural 'exchange' sounds like the scholastic intellecutal product out of the mind of some anarco-capitalist chicago school boy subcontracted by the cia to do some cultural 'revolution' in some dictatorship in south america You're a loving ignorant-rear end poo poo and you're illustrating the very idea you're pretending doesn't exist just by barging in here and refusing to leave. This thread belongs to you because you decided you want it, so gently caress all those niggers who were using it before. What were they doing, just talking about black poo poo? Worthless. You've got white bullshit to fling.
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Jan 10, 2017 01:41
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Fados posted:of course, i agree with this, in art there is only good (original) cultural appropriation and bad (unoriginal) cultural appropriation. cultural 'exchange' sounds like the scholastic intellecutal product out of the mind of some anarco-capitalist chicago school boy subcontracted by the cia to do some cultural 'revolution' in some dictatorship in south america Get the gently caress outta here
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Jan 10, 2017 01:43
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Gringostar posted:This is why metal without distortion just sounds like surf rock since they both generally use the same scales yet are two very different styles of music. Thank you for this. Down the rabbit hole I go.
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Fados posted:what would you call the process through which the brain interprets these things when relating to art, maybe hummmmm, culture? On one hand Western music's focus on tonality is culturally defined, but the very fact that scales are made up of notes with consonant frequencies is pure science? See, here's the problem. This white view of culture wants to have it both ways. It will consider the white tradition as "basic ideas intrinsic to all humanity" while at the same time wrapping themselves in the idea that they are the purveyors of culture upon the barbarians of the world. It allows them to disregard non-white cultures as either mere instances of general ideas or as ultimately owing their lineage to white culture. It's a shell game. e: I forgot a third option. "Not real culture, but 'primitive' proto-culture." foobardog fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Jan 10, 2017 |
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Cultural appropriation is commonly divided by the sort of dusty academics who think about it a lot into appropriation and misappropriation, and the fundamental difference is based on power structures. To put it simply, someone from the next village over putting their hair in a particular style without understanding the meaning of the hairstyle is something that, while not necessarily innocent, is harmful on an individual level because there are no structures of power involved. The whitening of rock does involve the power structures of racism, and so the history of a genre, the cultural and economic values associated with it, they are all ripped from the hands of the people they belong to. This is what academics term "misappropriation", and what normal conversations call appropriation.
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Jan 10, 2017 01:47
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Also it's only cultural exchange if one side has the ability to say "nah, you can't use that". If not, then it isn't really an exchange. It's basically bullying. Also Fados, 
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Tbh cultural appropriation when relating to art just sounds like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsch with an identity politics twist.
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Fados posted:Tbh cultural appropriation when relating to art just sounds like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsch with an identity politics twist. Sir, this is a Sbarro's.
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Fados posted:Tbh cultural appropriation when relating to art just sounds like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsch with an identity politics twist. yeah a lot of things sound like a lot of other things when you have a simpleton's understanding of them
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Fados posted:Tbh cultural appropriation when relating to art just sounds like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsch with an identity politics twist. Us black posters are telling you to leave. Have some respect and listen.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:I appreciate that. It's difficult to talk about, because too often people think they can avoid all criticism forever if they just create a comprehensive enough rubrik, and even more often bad-faith interlopers crash the conversation and pretend that the people discussing cultural appropriation are just trying to enforce an oppressive list of rules. If this conversation gets off the ground there will inevitably be at least one poster going "Should every musician that uses the 12 tone scale credit Schoenberg? big lol" or some similar bullshit. There are a depressing number of people who are outraged and horrified that anything they do might be criticized, or even just insufficiently praised. White people particularly expect applause any time they don the trappings of another culture, because being recognized by whiteness is supposed to be the ultimate blessing and mark of approval. Cue "It's a COMPLIMENT!" during the slapfight portion of this discussion. But take, for instance, the extremely white Diplo who has made a career out of tapping into various different music styles, most notably dancehall but also things like bounce, reggaeton, etc. To a lot of people, his music is probably the only contact they'll have with genres like dancehall and he's probably the one making the most money out of it. But then again, it seems like he's treating it with clear respect - he seems to know a lot about the genres, works consistently with local artists, takes it seriously, etc. Where would he fall on the spectrum, in your opinion? And if he falls on the wrong side, what could he do - if anything - to right this? I also wanted to ask about this in your earlier post: Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Since they're so aware of their black predecessors they assume their fans are too, but they aren't.
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Zas posted:yeah a lot of things sound like a lot of other things when you have a simpleton's understanding of them It's this. Being ignorant about something isn't wrong as long as you don't keep doubling down on being ignorant and if you're not being an rear end in a top hat. Of course, if people didn't keep doubling down and being assholes about poo poo they're ignorant on this thread wouldn't need to exist.
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R. Mute posted:Could you maybe elaborate on this wrt to music? I feel like the examples regarding Native Americans are all pretty clear-cut (to me, anyway. But seeing as they're all still happening on a massive scale...), but considering music's a field where cultural exchange is commonplace, I feel like it's incredibly hard to separate the two. Like there are some obvious examples out there - the plagiarism of early rock 'n' roll, the constant slapping of a white face on a non-white trend for """mass appeal""", and so on. I am not the arbiter of such things but acknowledging your influences is at the very least a start in the right direction. It is the bare minimum amount of respect that ought to be paid. If only so your listeners can follow up and support the original artist as well. remusclaw fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Jan 10, 2017 |
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Sister Rosetta Tharpe is a favorite of mine. She was such an incredible badass. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR2gR6SZC2M
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:This guy's allowed to keep coming back again and again but that's all fine because there's no such thing as racism on SA. Racism is a fake idea made up by troublemakers like me. Amazingly, in the time that TB posted this, she got probated again. I mean, Jesus Christ, way to prove her point.
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foobardog posted:Amazingly, in the time that TB posted this, she got probated again. I mean, Jesus Christ, way to prove her point. Fun fact she got probated in a thread she got dogppiled on for pointing out racism. They trotted out the old slashie conspiracy theories and poo poo but she's still the only one who got probated. Yet we're all troublemakers who need to be contained in posting ghettos and there's no problem with racial bias on this forum in any way.
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foobardog posted:Amazingly, in the time that TB posted this, she got probated again. I mean, Jesus Christ, way to prove her point. You have a look down the rabbithole of the posts that got her probated, too? Man, that be some dark poo poo.
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Waterbed Wendy posted:Sister Rosetta Tharpe is a favorite of mine. She was such an incredible badass. Yoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 
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Darth Walrus posted:You have a look down the rabbithole of the posts that got her probated, too? Man, that be some dark poo poo. Koalas March posted:Fun fact she got probated in a thread she got dogppiled on for pointing out racism. They trotted out the old slashie conspiracy theories and poo poo but she's still the only one who got probated. Yeah, I clicked through and, welp.
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This is what she was probated for and remember that a mod here is running around spreading this conspiracy theory which is encouraging people to try and doxx her.Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Weird how you can be this flagrantly racist yet nobody's building conspiracy theories about you and following you around trying to doxx you and emailing you pictures of what they think is your house.
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Seven loving days too. God drat.
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Koalas March posted:This is what she was probated for and remember that a mod here is running around spreading this conspiracy theory which is encouraging people to try and doxx her. Which mod?
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Gringostar posted:Which mod? Exmarx has gone on a lot about her being Slashie whenever they're both posting in the same thread.
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Koalas March posted:This is what she was probated for and remember that a mod here is running around spreading this conspiracy theory which is encouraging people to try and doxx her. Here's a great post by the guy who she was arguing with: baquerd posted:No one's saying slaveowners were better than that, just that slaveowners that didn't take care of their slaves got sub-par returns over the long run. If you look at the most successful slave-owners, you would expect to see a general pattern of excellent treatment of well-behaved slaves.
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Koalas March posted:This is what she was probated for and remember that a mod here is running around spreading this conspiracy theory which is encouraging people to try and doxx her. I would love a board with the racial makeup of thecoli but with the level of discussion present in this thread.
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Gringostar posted:Which mod? Exmarx. He's had a stick up his rear end since the QCS thread that caused him to shut down uspol. He's the one who said our black threads still exist because they keep us contained. Check out the QCS thread. It's been closed awhile but it should be easy enough to find.
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Koalas March posted:Exmarx. He's had a stick up his rear end since the QCS thread that caused him to shut down uspol. He's the one who said our black threads still exist because they keep us contained. Check out the QCS thread. It's been closed awhile but it should be easy enough to find. And he was rightfully called out on it and only backpedaled when, not surprisingly, white posters started calling him out on his statements as well.
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Waterbed Wendy posted:Sister Rosetta Tharpe is a favorite of mine. She was such an incredible badass. rad
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Koalas March posted:This is what she was probated for and remember that a mod here is running around spreading this conspiracy theory which is encouraging people to try and doxx her. Meanwhile, this is a totally acceptable comment on SA now: baquerd posted:Hah, you thought you could talk about actual race issues on SA, that's funny.
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negromancer posted:And he was rightfully called out on it and only backpedaled when, not surprisingly, white posters started calling him out on his statements as well. Personally, when I say something stupid about race, I'm much more swayed by an actual minority correcting me than a fellow white dude.
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Trabisnikof posted:Meanwhile, this is a totally acceptable comment on SA now: Meanwhile I'm sure my income is higher than his, and me embracing my urban black culture is pretty much my calling card in my field and one of the reasons I'm well known enough to demand the income I do.
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BRJohnson posted:Personally, when I say something stupid about race, I'm much more swayed by an actual minority correcting me than a fellow white dude. It shows who he respects more tho. 
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Trabisnikof posted:Meanwhile, this is a totally acceptable comment on SA now: Yeah, that's...kind of the textbook definition of a racist post. 
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BRJohnson posted:Personally, when I say something stupid about race, I'm much more swayed by an actual minority correcting me than a fellow white dude. We were there. At certain points he went from back tracking to straight lying about what he said to us and what we said to him. Like he gave no fucks about what we had to say. He literally closed a thread because we didn't want to be treated like poo poo and other posters wanted tb or me to be a a mod and he got all up in his feelings about it.
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baquerd posted:No one's saying slaveowners were better than that, just that slaveowners that didn't take care of their slaves got sub-par returns over the long run. If you look at the most successful slave-owners, you would expect to see a general pattern of excellent treatment of well-behaved slaves. Why is this non-bannable? This is not low key "maybe it was a badly worded post" racism, he's not even trying to hide it.
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Waterbed Wendy posted:Sister Rosetta Tharpe is a favorite of mine. She was such an incredible badass. Jesus, this is loving good. Thanks for introducing me to an artist I need to listen to. Clearly an influence on a lot of the music I love (or a super uncanny coincidence), and yet never acknowledged... hmm... Regarding musical appropriation, what do people think about Paul Simon's Graceland, both in terms of appropriation and the fact that it involved travelling to South Africa during Apartheid? Personally, it's one of my favourite albums, and I think he at least tried, perhaps not as much as he could have, to credit the artists he worked with, but at the same time I can understand why it pissed a lot of people off -- and not unreasonably so.
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Kawabata posted:Why is this non-bannable? This is not low key "maybe it was a badly worded post" racism, he's not even trying to hide it. Because they're not an uppity black person.
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