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Rigel posted:This is, unironically, true. It sounds you really like the deckbuilding part of draft, the part that i also like. I also get a couple drafts in each format, I know what it entails. Vanilla creatures and overcosted removal get boring, playing with/against decks that don't even win with creature combat does not, or at least not nearly as fast.
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Rinkles posted:That's why I'm asking. Worst part about this card is that they got Terese Nielson to draw Ajani art for a bad card in an intro deck.
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Jan 10, 2017 09:09
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It is a good Ajani, tough. E: Nielsen's rendition -- if it looked like I was praising the pw card.
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Jan 10, 2017 09:12
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Why would you play standard anymore with the possibility that something that has happened 4 times in 25+ years could happen at any moment?
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Jan 10, 2017 09:27
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i dont know, its not totally crazy to think you could have fun a fifth time
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Jan 10, 2017 09:58
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I mean why do anything if there is ever a chance it could end in failure
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Jan 10, 2017 10:09
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Attorney at Funk posted:There should be a paper version of the Standard Gauntlet where you can show up and pay basically draft prices and rent a deck for three rounds. A good LGS would have decks available to borrow. A great LGS will have actual good decks available. Rinkles posted:That's why I'm asking. Damage prevention effects don't target, you merely choose a source. I faintly recall hearing something about how if damage prevention effects target, weird things can happen, but hell if I remember it was around when the M10 rules changes were released and discussed.
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Jan 10, 2017 10:10
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Hellsau posted:A good LGS would have decks available to borrow. A great LGS will have actual good decks available. Huh, good to know.
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Jan 10, 2017 10:23
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I am not playing standard again until Sphinx's Revelation is reprinted.
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Jan 10, 2017 10:53
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will you settle for blue sun's zenith?
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Jan 10, 2017 11:06
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Hellsau posted:A good LGS would have decks available to borrow. A great LGS will have actual good decks available. I guess if you have a prodigal pyromancer it deals damage even if it dies in response to its ability, and so she damage prevention effect can't target the prodigal pyromancer otherwise you get weird plays with sacrificing pyromancer to protect its damage
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Jan 10, 2017 11:39
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Combat damage is instantaneous so that particular issue shouldn't really matter with the Ajani enchantment. But, yeah, it would be counterintuitive if damage prevention sizzled against a suicide bomber. It's also reasonable to expect it to work against hexproof, shroud, and particularly "protection from X."
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Jan 10, 2017 14:22
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Eikre posted:It's also reasonable to expect it to work against hexproof, shroud, and particularly "protection from X." I don't see why.
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Jan 10, 2017 14:24
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Why do cards like this target?
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Jan 10, 2017 14:31
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Rinkles posted:Huh, good to know. Ajani's Aid not targeting also means that if the creature is removed in response, the spell won't be countered by game rules since the spell would have only one target which doesn't exist any more, and would make you lose the other half of the card to find Ajani. Even if you did tag the original Cat with a spell that said "target creature doesn't deal combat damage this turn" before he made a billion Cats, the copies of the Cat wouldn't inherit the temporary effect and would deal damage normally.
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Jan 10, 2017 14:52
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Rinkles posted:Why do cards like this target? Because of the final clause, I imagine? It needs to determine the amount of damage being dealt in order for you to gain the right amount of life, so maybe that's related.
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Jan 10, 2017 14:56
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Jan 10, 2017 14:57
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Rinkles posted:I don't see why. Because both damage prevention and anti-targeting effects are passive and defensive in character and it is a person's natural inclination to believe that the defensive passivity of one entity should not preclude the defensive passivity of another. I can certainly tell you that newcomers almost never intuit that "protection from X" makes a creature unblockable, for example; they just expect that the blocker's damage would be set to zero, not that its capacity to defend would be totally negated. Awe Strike depicts a creature in genuflection, and it coerces a benefit out of it instead of just turning its attack aside. That has a more active and aggressive character. People will expect their hexproof creature not to be cowed and have its efforts leveraged against them.
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Jan 10, 2017 15:01
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Devor posted:Ajani's Aid not targeting also means that if the creature is removed in response, the spell won't be countered by game rules since the spell would have only one target which doesn't exist any more, and would make you lose the other half of the card to find Ajani. Ajani's Aid is a seal. It has tutoring as an ETB effect. The damage prevention is a separate sac effect.
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Jan 10, 2017 15:05
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Honestly if it said "an Ajani planeswalker" and not "a bad Ajani" it would be an alright card.
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Jan 10, 2017 15:18
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mattah posted:Dredge is still fine with the Thug. It's really really not.
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Jan 10, 2017 15:32
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Holy moly this B&R update.  I for one cannot wait for a new era of Standard with regular bans.
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Jan 10, 2017 15:36
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Count Bleck posted:Honestly if it said "an Ajani planeswalker" and not "a bad Ajani" it would be an alright card. Yeah, but that's the exact thing Wizards wants to avoid with those cards.
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Jan 10, 2017 15:44
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I know they banned Reflector Mage to knock UW Flash down a peg, but I'm going to pretend it's because they expected a rotation before reprinting Relentless Rats in Amonkhet.
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Jan 10, 2017 15:48
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Rigel posted:Its times like this when I recognize that my decision to be a limited-only player is a good one. Wizards caters to me, they design and develop for me before anybody else because I'm buying their boosters, selling off all the mythics, and I help fuel the secondary market, and in return I get a rich new gaming environment every 3 months, and I don't even know what I'm going to loving play when I sit down, not even my colors, and I get to play with WAY more cards than standard or eternal players. Scoff at my common vanilla creature if you want, but sometimes I'm riding that little guy to victory! LOL what a post. While its true they have recently catered too much to the limited crowd in set design, things seem to be heading the other direction and thankfully so. Constructed sells more packs when WOTC is concerned. The amount of packs that have to be opened to support an average FNM is pretty staggering, much less any of the competitive events. How many packs go into making a GP or Open happen? More boxes are popped at the beginning of a new set season to support single sales than all of limited combined for that entire season. Every time and event fires with packs as prize support, yep, people just got suckered into buying more packs. We can all agree that all the other events outnumber limited events in your average LGS. We have had plenty of sets releases where limited was poo poo and it had little affect on the popularity of the game as a whole. When constructed is poo poo, people loving panic. WOTC can have lovely limited and pay the bills. They loving sink if constructed shits the bed.
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Jan 10, 2017 15:49
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GeneX posted:turbofog rises from the depths once more Yeah, I've been thinking about this the past few days. I liked played Seth's "Energy Fog" budget magic deck and I've been able to 3-1 FNM with it 4 times even a 4-0 split as well as 3+ wins during showdown. With AER focusing on fast aggro decks I think with a few more additional changes this deck can still perform. You can take out a few cards and mainboard 2-3 Authority of the Consuls. I will have to do some more testing but I think it can be a solid T2 deck.
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Sickening posted:More boxes are popped at the beginning of a new set season to support single sales than all of limited combined for that entire season. Every time and event fires with packs as prize support, yep, people just got suckered into buying more packs. We can all agree that all the other events outnumber limited events in your average LGS. Not my store or any of the stores around here. I would guess that the amount of packs opened for limited events in a season at my main store is easily 20x what they open for singles at the start of the set. I think there's more product opened at prerelease alone than they open for singles.
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Shovelmint posted:Not my store or any of the stores around here. I would guess that the amount of packs opened for limited events in a season at my main store is easily 20x what they open for singles at the start of the set. I think there's more product opened at prerelease alone than they open for singles. You are limiting yourself to the boxes opened for singles in a single store. Do you not have constructed players? Where do you think those singles come from? All the players who buy their singles online are also contributing to packs being opened (somewhere) to get the singles to sell them.
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Actually a decent proportion of singles are stocked from modo redemption which comes from, you guessed it, limited. Also your argument that prize packs drive constructed is kinda nonsense too. Limited events give prizes in packs just the same. In this day and age I don't think anyone just goes open a pack, finds a Liliana and says, "guess I'll try to open three more and play GB."
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Actually a decent proportion of singles are stocked from modo redemption which comes from, you guessed it, limited. I didn't says packs drive constructed. I said that events that use packs as prize support are just prettied up packs sales. The average FNM is just a bunch of people buying packs collectively and competing to see who takes home the most. Constructed drives pack SALES.
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Jan 10, 2017 17:37
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Every store I've been to offered store credit. If I was a constructed player I'd have no use for packs and I'd be pretty disappointed if that's what they gave out honestly. But again that's beside the point. All events pay out in something so saying that constructed specifically is what drives product sales is wrong.
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well actually,
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Every store I've been to offered store credit. If I was a constructed player I'd have no use for packs and I'd be pretty disappointed if that's what they gave out honestly. Well I hate to break it to you, but packs have been the norm for a long time. The stores giving out store credit options are definitely going the way of the dinosaur. I am not saying they don't still exist, but the trend is there. And since you are having reading comprehension problems, my point was that constructed drives the MOST packs sales when WOTC is concerned. Both in packs needed for constructed to build decks and in most events fired (that award packs).
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Jan 10, 2017 18:01
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:All events pay out in something Rare redrafts 
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Jan 10, 2017 18:01
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DC10 is the one true format
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What is the odds that mm2017 also has lottery cards?
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Sickening posted:What is the odds that mm2017 also has lottery cards? I don't know what they would include, since it's presumably going to be the Lili/Goyf/Snap/etc. lottery anyway. EMA didn't have Masterpieces and that was after we got Expeditions, though admittedly it was also before Masterpieces became an established concept. Another thing about Masterpieces is that they're framed around the setting of the block, and the Masters sets don't have a coherent setting.
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Sickening posted:What is the odds that mm2017 also has lottery cards? Full art foil masterpiece goyf will be the only printing of that card in MM17.
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:E: For doubly wrong opinion, ema and mma aren't even that good limited formats since they can't balance things very well and have to keep an eye on reprint quotas. mm2015 wasn't that good and i never played em but the first modern masters is easily a top 3 draft format of all time shame no one got to play it
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:mm2015 wasn't that good and i never played em but the first modern masters is easily a top 3 draft format of all time It also was full of value in the playables. Look at the loving rares. The spirit mythics pretty lol but its a shame none of the others masters sets were anywhere as good.
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