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John Brown posted:Is Peppers better off staying another year to play one specific role? Considering the defense around him would be significantly less talented/experienced, it's likely that would harm him way more than any possible gain he could get.
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Adams seems like he's going to be a FS or a roaming CB at the next level. Hooker is still super raw and might spend his first season in the NFL getting burnt. Peppers is certainly not a linebacker and anyone who wants to play him up there will probably be disappointed. Tabor also might shift to FS and could be pretty great at it. Desmond King is also another name to look out for as he isn't going to test great but could be one hell of a strong safety if he puts on more weight. Anyway point is that the DBs aren't set in stone yet.
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Jan 11, 2017 17:57
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idk where the idea Peppers wasn't productive came from, as a sophomore he had 10 PBU as a safety, as a junior 16 TFL as a linebacker. He was big-10 defensive player of the year and linebacker of the year (also returner of the year) this past season
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Jan 11, 2017 18:06
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peppers is getting mocked around 10, there's no way he should stay. bucannon is a weird comparison, he went 27th overall as basically a project, he ended up adding like 30 lbs to play linebacker, but he also had the benefit of staying at safety for 4 years
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I need to stay away from 49ers social media. The amount of people that want to take a QB at #2 overall because they think Kap is the biggest problem on the 49ers is actually making me angry.
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hifi posted:peppers is getting mocked around 10, there's no way he should stay. He's probably a strong safety at the next level. Landon Collins is the trendy comp being thrown around, but Collins had elite tools and better ball skills.
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Hiya Daltos - you may know me from discord and previous PMs. Long time follower of r/Daltos Who do you think Miami should target, value wise, at 22. Our positions necessary are OLB (Moreso a coverage LOLB, or someone who can set the edge. Basically a jack of all trades in our defense) CB (we are more zone press) DE (either side, Cam is old and Branch will get paid) OL (moreso a guard so Tunsil can flip to tackle so we may cut Albert) Whatcha think? I've only been looking at linebackers so I'm rather unsure of the rest.
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Still too early to tell but based on this season some top coverage LBs: Tim Cunningham, Reuben Foster, Kendell Beckwith, Jarrad Davis, Ryan Anderson Zone CBs: Marlon Humphrey, Cordrea Tankersley, Adoree Jackson, Sidney Jones, Cameron Sutton DE: Tim Williams, Solomon Thomas, Derek Barnett, Carl Lawson, Charles Harris, Devonte Fields Guards: Roderick Johnson, Dion Dawkins, Tyrone Chowder, Zach Banner, Ethan Pocic
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Jan 11, 2017 19:41
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I think Peppers is going to have to have a role carved out for him, because what he can and can't do is kind of an awkward mix- what he does and doesn't do well in coverage is a problem. Kenny Vaccaro is a good model- the Saints have him playing as an in-the-box SS and a Slot CB/SAM hybrid. They have a dedicated single-high safety, so they can disguise the coverages well and keep offensive players in front of him in zone, and pick and choose their match-ups in man coverage, and then give him run fits/blitzes off of the edge. The safeties this year are interesting- there are a lot of interesting players but they need very specific scheme fits.
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Hm so Jarrad Davis to Miami might be a really quality pick Well done Ehud
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MrSargent posted:I need to stay away from 49ers social media. The amount of people that want to take a QB at #2 overall because they think Kap is the biggest problem on the 49ers is actually making me angry.
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Jan 11, 2017 20:12
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Kap just negotiated an opt-out clause in his contract. He's gone. If they think there's the right QB sitting there at No. 2 then they should probably go get him.
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Doltos posted:Chad Kelly was the top dog going in but is playing himself out of the first day. Looks the part and throws a really nice ball but makes a ton of really boneheaded mistakes. Like trying to slide into a porn star's DMs after she's already publicly put him on blast 
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Benne posted:Kap just negotiated an opt-out clause in his contract. He's gone. Though who the gently caress could it be.
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https://twitter.com/PFTCommenter/status/819217460498993153
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I want Eagles to draft Corey Davis but this seems to be a good draft for CBs and Eagles really need a couple of those badly
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Jan 11, 2017 22:23
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Benne posted:Tavon Austin never got hurt, he just sucks. His soul has been hurt by the abortion that's been the Rams' offense. (But yeah, he mostly has.)
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Spring Break My Heart posted:That's hardly a crazy suggestion. I mean they need help everywhere but I still really doubt Kaep is part of their long term plans any more and QB is the obvious position you target with a top pick in a full scale rebuild. No, its absolutely a crazy suggestion that Kap was the biggest problem on the 49ers this year. Did you watch any games? Nowhere in my post was I saying he is part of our long-term plans. But with gaping holes on both offense and defense, throwing anyone other than a Luck/Manning type into that tire fire as a rookie is a recipe for disaster. I mean hell, even Luck has struggled a bit the last 2 years largely due to a complete lack of talent around him. What makes you think that any of the QB prospects this year would have any type of success behind that line and with those receivers?
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Benne posted:Kap just negotiated an opt-out clause in his contract. He's gone. Everything I have read so far indicates that there is no QB in this class that is worth the #2 overall pick. With so many holes, we have to get someone at #2 that is going to contribute from day one. The 49ers aren't going to be competitive next year either so why take a huge risk on QB when they will die behind the line anyway?
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MrSargent posted:Everything I have read so far indicates that there is no QB in this class that is worth the #2 overall pick. With so many holes, we have to get someone at #2 that is going to contribute from day one. The 49ers aren't going to be competitive next year either so why take a huge risk on QB when they will die behind the line anyway? because york
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Metapod posted:because york I'd say because teams covet quarterbacks. Hell the 49ers have it good compared to last year, they don't need to trade their next few drafts away to get at least the #2 quarterback in the class, and maybe the #1 if the Browns go elsewhere. Note that I'm not saying it's a good idea, but it's a less bad idea than we've seen in other cases.
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If the Niners take a QB in the first without trading back I am going to scream and yell and it will be quite upsetting to me.
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Where do you even start with rebuilding the 49ers? That roster is completely devoid of talent and no candidate worth a drat will want to work under the sniveling turd that is Jed York. You can't draft a first-round quarterback to that team because they'll retire before their rookie contract is up.
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Ardarius Stewart declared, which is unusual considering his draft grade but honestly another year of Jalen overthrowing him by ten yards isn't going to raise his stock. With how physical he plays someone's going to give him a shot, but where does this thread think he fits? Drafted? UDFA?
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Raku posted:Ardarius Stewart declared, which is unusual considering his draft grade but honestly another year of Jalen overthrowing him by ten yards isn't going to raise his stock. With how physical he plays someone's going to give him a shot, but where does this thread think he fits? Drafted? UDFA? He'll get drafted on raw physical talent I think, likely a mid round though. I'd be happy with him in the 3-5 range considering he looked like a very legitimate burner whether deep or across the field. I thought he had some garbage-rear end route running whenever people got in his face and pressed him, but that's a technical skill that can be learned fairly easy. He body-catches on too many <10 yard routes which I think is mainly him trying to keep the ball the gently caress away from defenders with Jalen's ball placement. He's like the anti-Cooper where he's raw on technical skill but was so physically dominant it didn't matter at points. If you develop him, he might be a better pro than Ridley considering he's more physically talented
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corn on the cop posted:Where do you even start with rebuilding the 49ers? That roster is completely devoid of talent and no candidate worth a drat will want to work under the sniveling turd that is Jed York. They have to trade down and hope to get a million picks from the #2 spot. They need to go full Browns rebuild and know they are gonna suck for a few years. Honestly, they should start trading Joe Staley/anyone with value and start building up cap/draft picks to try and be competitive in 3-4 years.
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corn on the cop posted:Where do you even start with rebuilding the 49ers? That roster is completely devoid of talent and no candidate worth a drat will want to work under the sniveling turd that is Jed York. You rebuild like all teams rebuild, by drafting a franchise QB #1
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I would like the Panthers to trade down because I think they're in a pretty good spot for it but Dave falls in love with players and if his dude is there he pounces 
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depends on the player for me If it's adams, yayyy if it's Cam, yayyyy... but with reservations If it's fournette, ehhhh... If it's any LB or DT (Or possibly CB)... Boooooo Edit: And i'm not sure the assessment that "he falls in love" is fair since he's had only one season since he's been here where he's had a top 20 pick and he used it on the consensus top player at a position of need in the draft (star). I'm sure the offers on the playoff level draft picks were less than stellar. zimbomonkey fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Jan 12, 2017 |
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Is Giants GM Jerry Reese about to move on Eli Manning's eventual replacement?quote:"We always think about every position," Reese said. "But Eli is 36, and we have started to think about who is the next quarterback, and who is in line, so we will look into that as we move into the offseason." quote:Manning and practice squad quarterback Keith Wenning, who signed a futures contract on Monday according to a source, are the only quarterbacks scheduled to be under contract for 2017. Backups Ryan Nassib and Josh Johnson will be free agents. do you like any of the QBs in this draft Doltos?
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zimbomonkey posted:Edit: And i'm not sure the assessment that "he falls in love" is fair since he's had only one season since he's been here where he's had a top 20 pick and he used it on the consensus top player at a position of need in the draft (star). I'm sure the offers on the playoff level draft picks were less than stellar. He's taken luxury picks the last two first rounds.
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FizFashizzle posted:I would like the Panthers to trade down because I think they're in a pretty good spot for it but Dave falls in love with players and if his dude is there he pounces What DT will it be this year?
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Branden Albert is due $10 million. He's cut. Pouncey is due 8. And when played he was a fantastic C. But his hip is scaring everyone. Miamis drafting ANOTHER lineman by second day IMO.
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wandler20 posted:What DT will it be this year? Wait and see who blows up the SPARQ test.
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ragle posted:Is Giants GM Jerry Reese about to move on Eli Manning's eventual replacement? Sure. Mahomes is fun as hell to watch, Kaaya seems to throw a good WCO game, and Kizer is a bit dumb and kind of a project but he throws a pretty pass. There's not a premier guy yet but there's a bunch of quality QBs this class that I wouldn't care much if the Giants spend a top 100 pick on.
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FizFashizzle posted:He's taken luxury picks the last two first rounds. You say luxury, I say insurance against two players that might leave. And again, we've never seen him with a top 10 pick that actually has value.
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zimbomonkey posted:You say luxury, I say insurance against two players that might leave. You don't need a high draft pick to trade down; the Patriots have proven this for 15 years. When the Panthers drafted Butler, they still had short and star under team control for two seasons. I mean I guess you can say that Davis could die at any second, but the Panthers still had him, plus plenty of good depth at the position. I'm not blaming him for not drafting a safety, and I kinda understand why he though the offensive line was okay, and he couldn't have anticipated kelvin would be fat as hell. But if the choice is trading down and getting SOMETHING, anything, or drafting players taht don't significantly contribute and become depth, well, that's an easy choice.
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Amy Pole Her posted:Branden Albert is due $10 million. He's cut. Not sure they cut Albert this year. I imagine they'll go for a raw G/C in the third or something, and continue to churn veteran backups
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Alright, let's look at last year then. He takes butler 31st overall. Who should he have traded down to take? Where do those picks enter? Would we be waiting to see them this year? What round are they? Are there even any good players available at the picks we get? and most importantly, was anyone even offering to trade up? I don't recall many super hot commodities existing at 31. Also the logic behind Butler was sound too. We were losing massive leads in the fourth in part because our pass rush fell off a cliff. Makes perfect sense to add a really talented rotational piece at 31 there, that could help keep the starters fresh then potentially slot in as a future starter if short or star left. Also it's worth noting that the team immediately behind us had traded up to grab Paxton Lynch and there weren't any trades for like 8 picks after that, indicating that a lot of teams may have been happy with where they were positioned. Same with thompson. A versatile jack of all trades that comes in fitting the profile of an aging veteran is a good pick at 25. Now whether it may have been better to draft the top safety in the draft class, who was available, is a different conversation. But I don't think the trades were there in either case. There certainly weren't any coveted players available in either of these situations. Now let's look at this year by comparison. There will probably be a BUNCH of hot commodities available when our pick rolls around. Barnett, Fournette, possibly Adams, Robinson, a few second tier QBs begging to get overdrafted. I think if you get an opportunity to take a player top 10 you take it UNLESS there's a really good haul involved. I don't see that haul being offered at number 8. I'm talking at least one extra first here.
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