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Concerned Citizen posted:yes clearly hillary lost due to yard signs Personally I think you are undervaluing the significance of a concrete symbol like a yard sign. Seeing people tangibly supporting a candidate in large numbers publicly could definitely sway someone's decision to go vote or who to vote for. Obviously it's not the deciding factor but tbqh I'd rather have $2m spent on something like yard signs than Yet Another Music Video Starring Beyonce, Now Watch This Hillary Cameo On Broad City.
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G-Hawk posted:yard signs are the same as memes except they cost infinite more time and money, they add literally nothing.They only exist because its easier for campaign staff to just buy them than deal with the constant whining from people think they matter (they don't). If campaigns want to sell them fine whatever but actually paying for yard signs is lighting money on fire Hillary had terrible memes cobbled together by committee so I'm glad she wasted millions of dollars on "We go high, when they go low!" and other garbage made by the kids of politically connected rich elites. Lmao 
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I wonder which campaign was right, the one who humored the folksy practices of idiots, or the one that told them gently caress you, pay me.
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a yard sign that says...trumped up, trickle down pay me
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I wonder which campaign was right, the one who humored the folksy practices of idiots, or the one that told them gently caress you, pay me.
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GalacticAcid posted:Sentient Yard Sign 2020 Stupid inanimate cardboard sign. It's all a popularity contest anyway!
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hot take: yards are a waste of water
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Concerned Citizen posted:yeah except the campaign was right, so good work on campaign's part for turning down stupid requests from idiots. humoring idiots is like, 50% of winning elections.
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Jan 12, 2017 18:48
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Heaven Spacey posted:Personally I think you are undervaluing the significance of a concrete symbol like a yard sign. Seeing people tangibly supporting a candidate in large numbers publicly could definitely sway someone's decision to go vote or who to vote for. Obviously it's not the deciding factor but tbqh I'd rather have $2m spent on something like yard signs than Yet Another Music Video Starring Beyonce, Now Watch This Hillary Cameo On Broad City. you're overvaluing it. if yard signs won elections, ron paul would be president. are they somewhat useful in some contexts? sure. in a presidential race, it's a waste of money. if there are any people who will change their vote because they saw a lot of yard signs in a presidential race, they are vastly swamped by the votes you lose because you weren't knocking on doors, making calls, or using that money to send mail or be on tv. Pener Kropoopkin posted:I wonder which campaign was right, the one who humored the folksy practices of idiots, or the one that told them gently caress you, pay me. which campaign was the one humoring the folksy practices of idiots? certainly wasn't obama.
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You may not win a bunch of voters giving signs out, but you sure as poo poo may piss them off telling them 'nah, the computer says you're stupid for wanting this, how about you give us 20 bucks instead?'
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"Heh, if only our idiot supporters saw the benefits of BIG DATA that showed that lawn signs are for stupid idiot imbeciles! They'll buy their own signs if they want them and won't be put off when we tell them to gently caress off!" - Super Smart Highly Paid Political Consultant for Hillary Campaign
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logikv9 posted:hot take: yards are a waste of water hotter take: don't water your lawn, nature literally does this for you
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Hillary's campaign felt more like it was trying to sell me a Doritos™ Locos Taco Combo than a presidential candidate. e(dballs): Concerned Citizen posted:you're overvaluing it. if yard signs won elections, ron paul would be president. are they somewhat useful in some contexts? sure. in a presidential race, it's a waste of money. if there are any people who will change their vote because they saw a lot of yard signs in a presidential race, they are vastly swamped by the votes you lose because you weren't knocking on doors, making calls, or using that money to send mail or be on tv. It's like I said, by no means are they a game winner, but considering what the Clinton campaign chose to spend money on instead...
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they could have bought yard signs with the california ad money
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Tatum Girlparts posted:You may not win a bunch of voters giving signs out, but you sure as poo poo may piss them off telling them 'nah, the computer says you're stupid for wanting this, how about you give us 20 bucks instead?' the guy who gets pissed off because he can't get a free yard sign is still going to vote, sorry.
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fits my needs posted:"Heh, if only our idiot supporters saw the benefits of BIG DATA that showed that lawn signs are for stupid idiot imbeciles! They'll buy their own signs if they want them and won't be put off when we tell them to gently caress off!" - Super Smart Highly Paid Political Consultant for Hillary Campaign seriously how can you not even admit that maybe, even if we agree signs are actually useless (we don't), it's good to just eat that cost because it's PROBABLY bad to tell voters that a computer thinks they're idiots so they don't get the campaign material they're SEEKING YOU OUT AND ASKING FOR
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Serf posted:hotter take: don't water your lawn, nature literally does this for you hmm i thought only the UK had the weather to sustain their yards naturally, americans in most locations required watering
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anime was right posted:they could have bought yard signs with the california ad money since they spent $0 on general election california ad buys (as opposed to national cable buys), probably wouldn't get them too many signs.
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logikv9 posted:hmm i thought only the UK had the weather to sustain their yards naturally, americans in most locations required watering i forgot we don't all live in georgia, where the humidity never drops below 100%
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anime was right posted:they could have bought yard signs with the california ad money seriously this is an election you don't get to play the 'six figure cost' card in. Clinton was burning money like the loving Joker and you're telling me just sucking up a cost her magic computer disagrees with is impossible? Maybe run less ads in LA.
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Jan 12, 2017 18:52
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hillary's margins were down literally everywhere with yards makes u think imo
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LmaoTheKid posted:Goddamn Cory Booker sucks.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:seriously how can you not even admit that maybe, even if we agree signs are actually useless (we don't), it's good to just eat that cost because it's PROBABLY bad to tell voters that a computer thinks they're idiots so they don't get the campaign material they're SEEKING YOU OUT AND ASKING FOR Holy poo poo known hillaryman Tatum girlparts is so close to getting it
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Concerned Citizen posted:which campaign was the one humoring the folksy practices of idiots? certainly wasn't obama. Hey yeah, maybe Obama should have been the nominee instead.
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logikv9 posted:hmm i thought only the UK had the weather to sustain their yards naturally, americans in most locations required watering Ohio idiot here just wanted to say my yard is getting rain right now, because it is 50 degrees in january
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MaxxBot posted:Matt Yglesias is obsessing over the idea of Matt Damon running in 2020 and sadly if the field is a bunch of Cory Booker types I'd probably vote for him. We certainly need a celebrity.BUt we need a celebrity with experience in government. Also someone who has some military experience. Finally we need someone not afraid to tell it as it i. Also someone who doesn't care about the consequences of letting the truth come out. We need Jesse. 
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Business Gorillas posted:Holy poo poo known hillaryman Tatum girlparts is so close to getting it tatum has been saying a lot of things that veer dangerously towards sensible so i have to wonder who is posting and what did they do with tatum girlparts
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Tatum Girlparts posted:seriously this is an election you don't get to play the 'six figure cost' card in. Clinton was burning money like the loving Joker and you're telling me just sucking up a cost her magic computer disagrees with is impossible? Maybe run less ads in LA. beyond the fact that hillary "running ads in LA" in GE wasn't a thing, it's really funny to me that you keep referring to social science & statistics as "magic computer." foolish democrats, can't you see? the numbers have failed us! we must return to the ways of our ancestors! bring out the pig entrails, they shall show us our next president!
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also, I got a hot tip for you from my admittedly non-professional campaign volunteer experience. If you can get a guy a sign, you can also do things like offer them signs for local races, or bumper stickers, or something like that. In fact, maybe this is a top secret Texas election pro-tip I'm blowing the lid off, a lot of 'big' election offices keep signs for down ticket races they support too, like for Texas governor we also moved a lot of judge signs and poo poo because people asked for one and we could tell them the other would be good too and poo poo. It was almost like some kinda package deal thing where the top of the ticket...supports the bottom????
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can someone with an anonymous twitter please tweet at the various DNC candidates to determine their stances on yard signs
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nyt article on iowan trump voters pretty sad hot takes from it: most former obama voters in 2008 and maybe 2012, gently caress the poor (don't give my money to the undeserving), socialism will fuckin murder us all (gently caress the ACA), drug test welfare patients, and it's okay that trump is stocking his cabinet with the rich, the rich are smart people and will most certainly replace their own need to make money with our needs for jobs https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/us/donald-trump-iowa-conservatives.html
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Concerned Citizen posted:beyond the fact that hillary "running ads in LA" in GE wasn't a thing, it's really funny to me that you keep referring to social science & statistics as "magic computer." foolish democrats, can't you see? the numbers have failed us! we must return to the ways of our ancestors! bring out the pig entrails, they shall show us our next president! if you have people coming to your office consistently saying 'hey where the pig entrails at' yea, maybe it's not a bad idea to keep a pig or two around even if the computer national model tells you pig entrails aren't an optimal use of resources.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:also, I got a hot tip for you from my admittedly non-professional campaign volunteer experience. If you can get a guy a sign, you can also do things like offer them signs for local races, or bumper stickers, or something like that. In fact, maybe this is a top secret Texas election pro-tip I'm blowing the lid off, a lot of 'big' election offices keep signs for down ticket races they support too, like for Texas governor we also moved a lot of judge signs and poo poo because people asked for one and we could tell them the other would be good too and poo poo. It was almost like some kinda package deal thing where the top of the ticket...supports the bottom???? ah i see, yard signs are a good investment because you can use them to get people to take more yard signs.
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Concerned Citizen posted:ah i see, yard signs are a good investment because you can use them to get people to take more yard signs. ...yes? Especially in down ticket races where name recognition alone is a major factor????
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So why does Corey Booker suck? He's just even a more milquetoast version of Obama right?
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*savvy liberal credulously devouring malcolm gladwell and the piss story* yardsigns are for unscientific rubes
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Tatum Girlparts posted:if you have people coming to your office consistently saying 'hey where the pig entrails at' yea, maybe it's not a bad idea to keep a pig or two around even if the computer national model tells you pig entrails aren't an optimal use of resources. alternative view: a campaign should spend money to win votes rather than fellate local "activists" by giving them whatever they ask for
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fits my needs posted:So why does Corey Booker suck? He's just even a more milquetoast version of Obama right? voted against lowering drug prices, wasted his valuable time during the sessions hearing making an obvious play for 2020
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fits my needs posted:So why does Corey Booker suck? He's just even a more milquetoast version of Obama right? more or less. Imagine an Obama that's more openly centrist and has a more center leaning voting record. Not the worst dude to have around in general but the absolute last person we need in actual leadership.
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