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a neat cape posted:It's not soccer on ice. Hockey is interesting and exciting and things happen. 
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a neat cape posted:What are the average capacity for NHL arenas vs soccer stadiums? NHL is typically around 20,000, soccer is usually more. Soccer has more space around the playing surface, and tend to be outside with a roof over the stands only.
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fyallm posted:I know the NHL has about 10 more teams than the MLS. Also there are more than twice as many games in an NHL season. That's a rather important factor. NFL teams wouldn't be getting 60,000 attendees if there were 4 home games in a week sometimes. Not saying that NHL is anywhere close to NFL but it's way more popular than MLS.
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a neat cape posted:What are the average capacity for NHL arenas vs soccer stadiums? NHL AVG capacity: 18,388 MLS AVG capacity: 22,361 fyallm fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Jan 12, 2017 |
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Jan 12, 2017 19:03
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Jan 12, 2017 19:04
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I've spent the last hour consoling friends back in SD. They're all planning to go get Padres season tickets as a show of loyalty, which is cute (albeit misguided). Spanos will flop in LA, will try to move back, and will be told that he is no longer welcome back as owner. Also, NFL will force them to repay for relocation. Spanos is so hosed.
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Jan 12, 2017 19:05
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European football is cool and good but even as a European I will admit hockey is better.
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Jan 12, 2017 19:05
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Madden 2018 will literally have to model and create fuckin Stubhub field
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Jan 12, 2017 19:05
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Nail Rat posted:Also there are more than twice as many games in an NHL season. That's a rather important factor. I used 2016-2017 NHL Attedance which averaged out to 20.7 games and 2016 MLS which averaged to 17 games http://www.espn.com/nhl/attendance http://soccerstadiumdigest.com/2016-mls-attendance/
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R.I.P. Charger fans - you deserved so much better. It might be cool to see a small stadium game though at the Galaxy crib. NFL will never be in Sacramento in the next 30 years. Leper and White Ryce are going to yell at me again but Sacramento has exactly 0 corporate HQ's of any decent size and needed Bay Area sugar daddy money to get anything done for the Kings, and even then it was a miracle. It's entire economy revolves around real estate, state government, law (lobbyists) and Beale Air Force Base (drone and U2 pilots.) At least Portland has NIKE, and if they cut their Univ of Oregon uniform/bling budget they could prob fund whatever stadium they wanted. The only reason Bay Area transplants like me can survive out here is because we telecommute and/or travel back to the Bay Area the other days and based on how annoyingly crowded Amtrak has become, there are more every week doing it.
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Zurreco posted:I've spent the last hour consoling friends back in SD. They're all planning to go get Padres season tickets as a show of loyalty, which is cute (albeit misguided). Spanos will absolutely be welcomed back as owner if he tries to bring the Chargers back, come on now
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Jan 12, 2017 19:06
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Blitz7x posted:Madden 2018 will literally have to model and create fuckin Stubhub field Nope https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InCnaLB7b1s
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Jan 12, 2017 19:08
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I have to think this isn't over yet. Everyone on the planet is pissed about this and I wonder if the other NFL owners are considering their options (if any) on trying to block this still.
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Jan 12, 2017 19:08
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Everyone that commutes from sac to bay area is a giant turd. You've made that drive a nightmare and are responsible for out of hand housing costs in the local market. Work down there, live down there, get the gently caress outta my town. Also sac can barely support minor league baseball, lmao at the idea of an NFL team
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Jan 12, 2017 19:11
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This entire thing is so drat stupid and everyone hates it. Why in the hell was moving two teams to LA in a short time span even on the table in the first place? I don't think there was anyone outside a couple of NFL owners that thought this was a good idea.
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Jan 12, 2017 19:11
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kiimo posted:I have to think this isn't over yet. Uh they have no recourse really and it's been announced. It's happening
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Jan 12, 2017 19:12
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fyallm posted:I used 2016-2017 NHL Attedance which averaged out to 20.7 games and 2016 MLS which averaged to 17 games Uhhhhhhhh you're missing my point. There are 82 games in an NHL season. There are 32 games in an MLS season. 41 home games for NHL, 16 for MLS. MLS season is over, 2016-2017 NHL is only halfway done. Since there are significantly fewer MLS games, the sport can have a higher average attendance and still be less popular, because you have more people overall going to NHL games by a wide margin. You need far fewer fans to sell 21,000 seats 16 times versus 18,000 seats 41 times. Nail Rat fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Jan 12, 2017 |
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Jan 12, 2017 19:12
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fishing with the fam posted:This entire thing is so drat stupid and everyone hates it. Why in the hell was moving two teams to LA in a short time span even on the table in the first place? I don't think there was anyone outside a couple of NFL owners that thought this was a good idea. even LA loving hates it. this is hilarious once you get over how sad and depressing it is as a san diegan
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Jan 12, 2017 19:13
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Who has the next shittiest stadium after the Raiders? Seems like just lost a ton of leverage
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Jan 12, 2017 19:14
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Blitz7x posted:Who has the next shittiest stadium after the Raiders? Seems like just lost a ton of leverage fedex? you know some other owner is ready to whine over a stadium built within the past 25 years
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Jan 12, 2017 19:16
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Blitz7x posted:Who has the next shittiest stadium after the Raiders? Seems like just lost a ton of leverage The 49ers lol
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Jan 12, 2017 19:16
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Blitz7x posted:Who has the next shittiest stadium after the Raiders? Seems like just lost a ton of leverage Oakland is the next-crappiest. Solider is older but has been renovated recently, Lambeau could be a rotting husk and somehow get away with it because ~*Green Bay*~, and Arrowhead also has a recent renovation.
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Jan 12, 2017 19:17
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Lived in San Diego for 10 years. Sorry San Diego and Charger fans. You all deserve better.
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Jan 12, 2017 19:18
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Nail Rat posted:Uhhhhhhhh you're missing my point. But since there aren't 82 MLS games, we technically don't know if the fans would fill it as many times. So I don't see how you can say it is less popular only because it has fewer games? I was just trying to base it off attendance. If you start talking about team valuation or money then the argument goes away completely.
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Jan 12, 2017 19:19
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Nail Rat posted:It's basically just since they were an expansion team that they've been god awful, before that they had periods of badness but nothing out of the ordinary at all. Yeah they hadn't won a Super Bowl through the first 30 but a bunch of teams hadn't. Through Super Bowl 30, here's who won, hadn't won before, and hadn't played. Won: Green Bay, NY Jets, Kansas City, Baltimore (Colts), Dallas, Miami, Pittsburgh, Oakland, San Francisco, Washington, Chicago, NY Giants. Hadn't won: Minnesota, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Cincinnati, New England, Buffalo, Denver, San Diego Hadn't played: Detroit, Seattle, Arizona, Atlanta, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, Carolina, Cleveland, Baltimore (Ravens), Indianapolis, Houston/Tennessee, Jacksonville. Through today, here are those same lists. Won: Green Bay, NY Jets, Kansas City, Baltimore (Colts), Dallas, Miami, Pittsburgh, Oakland, San Francisco, Washington, Chicago, NY Giants, Denver, Los Angeles/St. Louis, Baltimore (Ravens), New England, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle, Hadn't won: Minnesota, Philadelphia, Cincinnati, Buffalo, San Diego, Atlanta, Tennessee, Carolina, Arizona. Hadn't played: Detroit, Cleveland, Jacksonville, Houston. The Lions are the worst team, as the only ones going 0 for 50 in even making the Super Bowl. Then Cleveland.
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Yeah I know there's no interest in Sacramento in getting an NFL team. I was just looking at it purely from the viewpoint of how the NFL owners would evaluate potential media market revenues - Sacramento is the next largest media market that has no NFL teams. It's worth pointing out only because you occasionally see folks claiming California already has too many NFL teams so it's good the Raiders are leaving or whatever... but actually in terms of both population and media markets, CA is still "underserved" compared to the national average. But yes, half of LA is still bigger than all of Sacramento, and Vegas while being way way down the list, is a special consideration both because of its attractiveness as a place to fly to to watch a game and also do other stuff, and because the Raiders are popular everywhere and will presumably help to attract Raiders fan to that city. And Sacramento is presumably not interested.
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Ammanas posted:Everyone that commutes from sac to bay area is a giant turd. You've made that drive a nightmare and are responsible for out of hand housing costs in the local market. Work down there, live down there, get the gently caress outta my town. The inverse of that is that the RE market and all the RE downstream industries would crash without them. Wait till they fix the Amtrak Capital Corridor and/or it gets expanded via the high speed rail plan. It will get worse. Steinberg and SacMetro Chamber are lobbying hard to become a SF "suburb" and pick off call center projects. Sac could have done a MLB team but even then, it seems Portland is a better fit. Lambeau field is a great visit and the frozen bench seating also owns. I also saw locals pounding beers and eating brats at 7am from my warm hotel room. Keyser_Soze fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Jan 12, 2017 |
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Okay keep a rolling through all the bullshit and all but the new LA Chargers stadium looks dope http://www.fightforla.com
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Welp, my backup team is the Bills. Go gently caress yourselves, LA Chargers.
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I can't wait until Alex Spanos dies and Dean has to sell the team to pay the inheritance tax
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fyallm posted:But since there aren't 82 MLS games, we technically don't know if the fans would fill it as many times. So I don't see how you can say it is less popular only because it has fewer games? Because if they could sell 42,000 seats to sell ~750k tickets over the course of the season like NHL teams do on average, they would build stadiums that held that many people. Teams in the UK play in front of crowds bigger than the NFL. Yeah there are season ticket holders and whatnot but what I'm saying is average attendance doesn't mean much when one team plays once a week and one team plays 3-4 times a week. Most people are not going to go to sporting events 3 times in a week even if they are big fans. Hell most will only go to a couple games a year regardless of the sport. Nail Rat fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Jan 12, 2017 |
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Nail Rat posted:Because if they could sell 41,000 seats to sell ~750k tickets over the course of the season like NHL teams do on average, they would. If there were 82 soccer games with only a squad of 11 that play regularly they would die on the field.
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Glass of Milk posted:Welp, my backup team is the Bills. Go gently caress yourselves, LA Chargers. Man this is more depressing than the sobbing radio callers
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Blitz7x posted:Okay keep a rolling through all the bullshit and all but the new LA Chargers stadium looks dope i want to vomit
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Lol now they're backing off on that Logo and saying it's a "work in progress" and "not approved by the NFL" (because the "Internet tore our asses")
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fyallm posted:If there were 82 soccer games with only a squad of 11 that play regularly they would die on the field. This has nothing to do with what you quoted at all, but let's stop this derail. Soccer's a very lovely sport. quote:Lol now they're backing off on that Logo and saying it's a "work in progress" and "not approved by the NFL" (because the "Internet tore out asses") Could they even use that logo without redoing their uniforms to not feature yellow so prominently? It'd be weird to have a blue and white logo that doesn't use yellow at all.
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chupacabraTERROR posted:i want to vomit A 360 degree video board???
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Blitz7x posted:Okay keep a rolling through all the bullshit and all but the new LA Chargers stadium looks dope I'm leaving this planet now. Gently caress the billionaire Spanos family.
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a neat cape posted:I can't wait until Alex Spanos dies and Dean has to sell the team to pay the inheritance tax Republican congress and president prolly gonna ditch the inheritance tax, though.
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Nail Rat posted:Could they even use that logo without redoing their uniforms to not feature yellow so prominently? It'd be weird to have a blue and white logo that doesn't use yellow at all. I mean if you look at it the Skins logo doesn't have the burgundy that the team uses
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