|
Cojawfee posted:Holy poo poo. quote:Mid-afternoon, over in the Stardust Theater, John de Lancie attracted a standing-room-only crowd for his much-anticipated one-man show, called… One Man Show. Marina Sirtis introduced her old friend, de Lancie, warning that material would be quite "blue." And it was, particularly his reading of epic Billy Markham poems. De Lancie exited the stage to a standing ovation. Big Mean Jerk posted:Hey hey hey, they've got the Cherry Poppin' Daddies instead. This cruise is the entirety of 1998 at sea.
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2017 07:10
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 10, 2024 13:13 |
|
|
Knormal posted:Hmmm... Probably the only vaguely-recognizable band willing to appear on a Star Trek cruise.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2017 07:14
|
|
|
drat, they must've double-booked the inauguration.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2017 07:20
|
|
|
Holy poo poo, the alien weapons in Loud As a Whisper that skeletonize people before disintegrating them were way more violent than I expected.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2017 07:30
|
|
|
I had no idea Becker was on for as long as it was. For some reason I thought it got cancelled in the second season.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2017 08:53
|
|
|
Cojawfee posted:This always annoyed me. The Federation always has to walk on eggshells around everyone else. In one episode, one group of aliens eats a member of another group and all the federatis do is "Uh, that's bad dude." Probably some biting commentary on political correctness. 
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2017 09:50
|
|
|
Remember that time TNG decided to tackle terrorism and the best they could do was "Uh, terrorism is bad I guess. Wesley, hug your mother" ?
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2017 10:36
|
|
|
Big Mean Jerk posted:Remember that time TNG decided to tackle terrorism and the best they could do was "Uh, terrorism is bad I guess. Wesley, hug your mother" ? I remember Data making an off-hand remark that the IRA eventually won by blowing enough stuff up.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2017 10:40
|
|
|
Wheat Loaf posted:I remember Data making an off-hand remark that the IRA eventually won by blowing enough stuff up. Not the worst treatment of the Troubles in western media.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2017 10:56
|
|
|
I will say only that, like many Northern Irish people, I am quite proud that the Assembly is currently in a state of collapse over good old-fashioned incompetence and corruption rather than sectarianism as it would have in the past. It really shows how much progress we've made as a society in the past 19 years.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2017 11:26
|
|
|
Paradoxish posted:There's actually some interesting stuff on this in The Fifty-Year Mission. The writers talked to astronauts to try to get a feel for how people would react under stressful situations, and when the answer was "like professionals with insane amounts of training in dealing with stressful situations" the writers decided that wasn't any fun. A lot of bad decisions in Star Trek writing seem to be the result of people knowing the right answer and doing something else anyway. A Star Trek version of The Martian would have been cool. I think it's already canon to The Expanse tho.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2017 11:38
|
|
|
Paradoxish posted:There's actually some interesting stuff on this in The Fifty-Year Mission. The writers talked to astronauts to try to get a feel for how people would react under stressful situations, and when the answer was "like professionals with insane amounts of training in dealing with stressful situations" the writers decided that wasn't any fun. A lot of bad decisions in Star Trek writing seem to be the result of people knowing the right answer and doing something else anyway. I assume this is TNG era, because this was the kind of writing that got us "Worf gets shut down again and again" and slinging [TECH] all over the script to keep your characters from doing their jobs. Creative types can show an alarming lack of imagination sometimes.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2017 16:27
|
|
|
elcapjtk posted:http://kenlevine.blogspot.com/2011/06/why-did-terry-ferrell-leave-becker.html That sounds like a load of poo poo. "It was a creative decision. She just HAPPENED to leave the Diner at the end of the season. So we used that as an excuse to write her out of the show to "inject new life". What were we to do with her just leaving the diner at the end of the season? We couldn't have written anything other than that and it most certainly did not have anything to do with her rallying the cast together for better pay." Zesty fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Jan 12, 2017 |
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2017 19:05
|
|
|
McSpanky posted:I assume this is TNG era, because this was the kind of writing that got us "Worf gets shut down again and again" and slinging [TECH] all over the script to keep your characters from doing their jobs. Creative types can show an alarming lack of imagination sometimes. The section he's referring to came up when they were developing Enterprise.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2017 19:42
|
|
|
Astroman posted:""I write this in the hope that it will someday be read by human eyes. I can only surmise at this point, but apparently, our vacation was contaminated by an nerds, which infected and killed all personnel except myself. I awakened to find myself here on the cruise ship, precisely as described in the brochure I found in my room. And for the last 38 years, I have survived here. I have come to understand that the nerds created this place for me out of some sense of fun, presuming that the brochure we had on board the ship about the Star Trek Convention was, in fact, a guide to our preferred lifestyle and social habits. Obviously they thought that this was the world from which I came. I hold no malice toward my benefactors. They could not possibly know the hell that they have put me through. For it was such a geeky brochure, filled with awkward people and poorly made costumes... I shall welcome death when it comes."  A "royale" good read.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2017 20:45
|
|
|
Farmer Crack-rear end posted:The section he's referring to came up when they were developing Enterprise. I'm only just now reading the second book of The Fifty Year Mission (I didn't own it until now), and one of the most bizarre parts out of nowhere -- besides the whole "waves and waves of cum said by a leprechaun" thing -- was Susan Sackett stopping just short of calling Michael Piller Satan for calling the writing team together to inform them that Roddenberry had died. Like, I know she's borderline insane and has spent the past thirty years trying to say that every bad word anyone ever said about Roddenberry is a lie because people are jealous of him or whatever, but what the gently caress?
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2017 20:55
|
|
|
Does anyone know if next month's DS9 dvd re-release have any additional special features or is it a straight reprint of the 2003 discs?
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2017 21:05
|
|
|
Big Mean Jerk posted:Does anyone know if next month's DS9 dvd re-release have any additional special features or is it a straight reprint of the 2003 discs? Straight reprint.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2017 21:07
|
|
|
Grand Fromage posted:I liked the bumbling around loving up in early Enterprise. Archer got command because his daddy built the spaceship and Starfleet had no idea what they're doing and wouldn't listen to the Vulcans because SHUT UP DAD, I CAN DO IT MYSELF There's something fitting about the idea that the captains of Archer's generation went on to gently caress up random alien planets, kill their own crews, and create all messes that Kirk (and occasionally Picard) had to un-gently caress centuries later. I mean, let's face it, Archer is the sort of captain that hands out gangster history books to aliens who don't know any better.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2017 22:02
|
|
|
Farmer Crack-rear end posted:The section he's referring to came up when they were developing Enterprise. Arguably the TNGest era.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2017 22:08
|
|
|
I'm watching TNG 2x08, A Matter of Honor, and this episode owns extremely hard. Focusing on the klingons and giving them real personality instead of just treating them like militaristic assholes is great, and they are all extremely charming and interesting. Riker is even an interesting character in their company. edit: Star Trek was so prescient, how could Gene know that vaping was the future? 
Namaer fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Jan 12, 2017 |
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2017 22:09
|
|
|
Timby posted:I'm only just now reading the second book of The Fifty Year Mission (I didn't own it until now), and one of the most bizarre parts out of nowhere -- besides the whole "waves and waves of cum said by a leprechaun" thing -- was Susan Sackett stopping just short of calling Michael Piller Satan for calling the writing team together to inform them that Roddenberry had died. Like, I know she's borderline insane and has spent the past thirty years trying to say that every bad word anyone ever said about Roddenberry is a lie because people are jealous of him or whatever, but what the gently caress? I have to read these books now.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2017 22:39
|
|
|
Namaer posted:edit: Star Trek was so prescient, how could Gene know that vaping was the future? He even has the vaper attitude down.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2017 22:45
|
|
|
Wheat Loaf posted:I have to read these books now. It came out of nowhere when I was reading on my way home from work last night. I just found the passage: Susan Sackett posted:On the day that Gene died, Michael Piller called everyone into the office, and we didn't know what it was about. He made an announcement that Gene Roddenberry died. I thought that was very insensitive. This is not a thinking or sensitive person. I found that very, very annoying and saddening, and I felt like he had socked me in the face. What the hell was he supposed to do?  Again, though, Sackett's a bit of a nutjob. She had an affair with Roddenberry throughout the '70s and '80s, and when she found out that Joel Engel's biography (which is essential reading) was going to get into the less than savory aspects of Roddenberry's life, she and Majel scrambled to get an "authorized" biography by David Alexander published within a few months of the Engel book. The Alexander book is full of whitewashing and repeats all of the classic Roddenberry myths (the Pan-Am crash and rescue, dressing up as a cop and scaring the poo poo out of an agent to get his first script read, offering the rights to Star Trek to his first wife instead of alimony, etc.) as Gospel truth.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2017 22:56
|
|
|
It's not like he brought Rod Roddenbery into the room and said "Everyone who has a living father step forward. Not so fast, Rod!"
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2017 22:59
|
|
|
Cojawfee posted:It's not like he brought Rod Roddenbery into the room and said "Everyone who has a living father step forward. Not so fast, Rod!" That would have been a great way to do it.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2017 23:00
|
|
|
Timby posted:It came out of nowhere when I was reading on my way home from work last night. I just found the passage: Sackett is a total Roddenberry disciple and there are times on the 50-Year Mission that you can tell she is straight-up lying about what happened with certain events.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2017 23:01
|
|
|
Timby posted:I'm only just now reading the second book of The Fifty Year Mission (I didn't own it until now), and one of the most bizarre parts out of nowhere -- besides the whole "waves and waves of cum said by a leprechaun" thing -- was Susan Sackett stopping just short of calling Michael Piller Satan for calling the writing team together to inform them that Roddenberry had died. Like, I know she's borderline insane and has spent the past thirty years trying to say that every bad word anyone ever said about Roddenberry is a lie because people are jealous of him or whatever, but what the gently caress? I think Tracy Torme left that leprechaun bit out when he was interviewed for Joel Engel's book, which makes it so much more understandable why he loving lost his poo poo when he heard it. But yeah, that Sackett quote stuck out to me too - like you said, what the hell was he supposed to have done?
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2017 23:22
|
|
|
Cojawfee posted:It's not like he brought Rod Roddenbery into the room and said "Everyone who has a living father step forward. Not so fast, Rod!" This just got me laughing so hard I had to close the door to my office. dont even fink about it posted:Sackett is a total Roddenberry disciple and there are times on the 50-Year Mission that you can tell she is straight-up lying about what happened with certain events. Yep, particularly about the production of The Motion Picture and Roddenberry getting removed from control of the movies -- she switches between "those mother fuckers at Paramount" and "Gene was totally happy and glad to be done with Star Trek." And then, of course, years after everyone had accepted that Roddenberry was a total horndog and whackjob, she publishes a borderline-pornographic book about their affair.
|
|
#
?
Jan 12, 2017 23:25
|
|
|
Sounds like somebody sexed with a human.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2017 00:11
|
|
|
Generally though every Sackett quote is "Gene just wanted to protect the themes of Star Trek with his creative input and editing, and he was never very possessive about small details." (More or less Roddenberry lines exactly). Cut to: - Gene writing loving horrible scripts and going to war to try to get them filmed before Paramount bigwigs inevitably side with the actual good writers he's competing with - Gene loving with scripts on a daily basis during production - Gene leaking plot details when he didn't like the movies - Pretty much every producer, director, and writer ending up either hating Gene's guts or becoming estranged from him when they try to get out from under his wing - Gene firing 30 writers in the first season of TNG Paramount essentially kept Gene connected to Star Trek in a vain attempt to mollify him politically and prevent him from sabotaging productions by leaking to fanzines. This was a probably a mistake. Name Change fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Jan 13, 2017 |
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2017 00:11
|
|
|
This is bizarre because I'd never heard of Sackett until a few hours before I opened this thread when learned I might be dealing with her for a work thing.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2017 01:37
|
|
|
She strikes me as the kind of person who actively patrols her own Wikipedia page.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2017 01:42
|
|
|
Welp, I picked up the two books over Christmas with gift card money. Looks like its time to read them.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2017 02:14
|
|
|
Big Mean Jerk posted:She strikes me as the kind of person who actively patrols her own Wikipedia page. I know she's edited her own Memory Alpha page to remove any reference to her affair with Roddenberry.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2017 02:16
|
|
|
Timby posted:Straight reprint. Not even an SD remaster? I mean how good/bad do we expect it to be in terms of image quality? The SD version of DS9 that I've seen on streaming services like Netflix (dunno if it's still there) looked absolutely godawful, compared to my standard def DVDs of other shows like Farscape or BSG. The Netflix version of DS9 had some kind of brutal interlacing problem. Number_6 fucked around with this message at 08:09 on Jan 13, 2017 |
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2017 08:06
|
|
|
An SD remaster would probably be the same effort as an HD remaster. The show was edited on VHS, that's the best you're ever going to get unless they rescan the film and redo the CGI.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2017 09:37
|
|
|
You can still scan the video masters and do your best deinterlacing and digital recolouring.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2017 09:46
|
|
|
Either way, CBS isn't willing to pay for it because DS9 is a niche show from a niche franchise and blu-rays are quickly becoming a niche product. The only way we'll ever see a DS9 HD Remaster is if some fan steals the original masters, redoes all the CG by hand, and releases the entire thing on a torrent site before being shut down by CBS legal.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2017 10:34
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 10, 2024 13:13 |
|
|
Finally finished season 1. The Alternative Factor is so bad I skipped it. Serious trash. Most of the other episodes range from alright to amazing and even the less good ones are entertaining throughout. Star Trek is a lot heavier than I thought it would be. Kirk stopping McCoy from saving the girl is fresh in my mind but there were others. I'm wondering when I see Chekov cause he seems to be the only one missing. My favorite special effect so far is the phasers hitting empty space and then destroying the enemy ship, somehow. anyway Onward to season 2!
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2017 14:30
|
|
