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It's not watching his dad die, it's watching his dads example which is important. His dad dies trying to save a dog. He is the same to that dog as Clark is to the humans, completely superior, and no one would begrudge him leaving it in the car to save his own lif, but he does it because it's the right thing to do. That's what Clark really learns here.
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I'm watching Captain America: Civil War for the first time since seeing it in theaters, and Cap is seriously loving bugging me. Stark's no saint - if anyone's a good guy in this movie it's T'Challa who also steals the scene anytime he's on screen to begin with - but Cap is such a loving rear end in a top hat who thinks consequences and rules are things that happen to other people but never him.
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I felt like they had to make Cap a complete idiot so that they could fit them both into being hardline anti and pro registration respectively like they are in the comics. They wanted to fit a very simplistic "registration=government=OPPRESSION" "non-registration=non-government=FREEDOM" Even though the previous movies built them up so that in Civil War's situation Cap's character may have made more sense to be pro registration while Stark would be completely against it.
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Neo Rasa posted:I felt like they had to make Cap a complete idiot so that they could fit them both into being hardline anti and pro registration respectively like they are in the comics. They wanted to fit a very simplistic "registration=government=OPPRESSION" "non-registration=non-government=FREEDOM" Even though the previous movies built them up so that in Civil War's situation Cap's character may have made more sense to be pro registration while Stark would be completely against it.
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Cythereal posted:Cap is such a loving rear end in a top hat who thinks consequences and rules are things that happen to other people but never him. He's Captain America. His argument is essentially the Monroe Doctrine, because of course it is. Justifying unilateral military action in political theaters that don't necessarily concern us is literally one of the most American things I can think of.
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I kinda get it. He knows for a fact that he is not going to make a morally incorrect choice, but he cannot say that of his superiors. He's basically asking the world to trust him, while being fully confident that he would never betray that trust.
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Jan 13, 2017 04:56
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Xealot posted:I want to give David S. Goyer a pass because he wrote Blade, which remains the goddamn poo poo. But he also wrote AND directed Blade: Trinity, so gently caress him. I give Goyer a lot of leeway on Blade: Trinity because there was so much ridiculous poo poo going on behind the scenes (and even in front of the camera) that there was no way it was ever going to turn out good whatever anyone did. 
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Sentinel Red posted:Cripes, so basically we can expect Darkseid to actually appear to us all within a couple of years then. In the Kirby comics, Darkseid comes to Earth because the Anti-Life Equation has been detected in a human mind.
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Cythereal posted:I'm watching Captain America: Civil War for the first time since seeing it in theaters, and Cap is seriously loving bugging me. Stark's no saint - if anyone's a good guy in this movie it's T'Challa who also steals the scene anytime he's on screen to begin with - but Cap is such a loving rear end in a top hat who thinks consequences and rules are things that happen to other people but never him. Winter Soldier: Wherever she is, that girl's probably 100 by now. Captain America: So are we, buddy. The reason that Captain America will fight anyone, break any promise and literally stop at nothing to protect Bucky is that Bucky is like him---a man thrown out of time, a man who has been unconscious since before I Love Lucy was on TV. Cap has nothing else to keep himself from being completely atomized----even Sharon Carter is now dead. Stark thought he could be Steve's friend but he was deluding himself: he wasn't born in the 20s and most of what he says casually to Steve scans as gibberish. Steve needs Bucky because it keeps him from being totally alone. Of course this reason is irational and supremely selfish. It has to be suppressed, the line above is virtually the only point where Steve's real, selfish feelings bubble to the surface. However, they are what's driving him to insane lengths throughout the film----not the crap about the UN, which matters to Stark but is clearly just a question of appearances, PR.
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Jan 13, 2017 05:09
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Hodgepodge posted:In the Kirby comics, Darkseid comes to Earth because the Anti-Life Equation has been detected in a human mind. And his first appearance is in a Jimmy Olseon comic. I love that tidbit.
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Jan 13, 2017 06:12
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I'm sure you think a lot about anti-life when your best buddy is Silver Age Superman. Dang it, Superman, I just finished getting my last marriage to a Gorilla annulled. Why do I have to do this again?
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Jan 13, 2017 07:12
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It is a good thing we shot Jimmy in the head already, otherwise he would doom us all
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Jan 13, 2017 07:19
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Burkion posted:It is a good thing we shot Jimmy in the head already, otherwise he would doom us all Maybe they'll just do a Smallville and introduce his brother who is also named Jimmy.
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Jan 13, 2017 07:21
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I get everything about Cap regarding Bucky and what went down in Winter Soldier just fine, but even with all of that going on Cap *AGREES TO SIGN THE ACCORD* he flips and completely backs out at the last second after he learns that Scarlet Witch is under house arrest for blowing up those civilians, which was stupid to me. Like she can't fully control her stuff so she should stay away from people til she can sort her poo poo out is literally worse to Cap than them capturing Bucky/etc. I like the movie a lot but it felt like they wrote thenselves into a corner and needed a quick way to make Cap mad again, it just makes him seem stupid.
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Codependent Poster posted:Maybe they'll just do a Smallville and introduce his brother who is also named Jimmy. Or maybe they do a Star Wars Expanded Universe and introduce his identical clone Jiimmy.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Or maybe they do a Star Wars Expanded Universe and introduce his identical clone Jiimmy. hmmm, Disney owns Marvel, Star Wars, AND has cinematic rights to Spider-Man. We could be seeing Gween Stacy 
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Jan 13, 2017 08:14
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She returns, seeking revenge on Peter Parker for failing to prevent her death, as Darth Gwen.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Or maybe they do a Star Wars Expanded Universe and introduce his identical clone Jiimmy. A rough and tumble street fighter named Bimmy.
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Jan 13, 2017 14:35
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Not super surprising, but Colossus, Negasonic Teenage Warhead, and Cable are all officially confirmed for Deadpool 2.
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Neo Rasa posted:I get everything about Cap regarding Bucky and what went down in Winter Soldier just fine, but even with all of that going on Cap *AGREES TO SIGN THE ACCORD* he flips and completely backs out at the last second after he learns that Scarlet Witch is under house arrest for blowing up those civilians, which was stupid to me. Like she can't fully control her stuff so she should stay away from people til she can sort her poo poo out is literally worse to Cap than them capturing Bucky/etc. I like the movie a lot but it felt like they wrote thenselves into a corner and needed a quick way to make Cap mad again, it just makes him seem stupid. She can control her powers fine. What she did was make a choice to save lives that unfortunately killed others and it had huge political ramifications. But Cap was pissed because the guy who represented the Accords, Stark, was the one saying hey I'm extra-judicially locking up our/your buddy for an unspecified amount of time. Even though Stark does have a great point that being holed up in his swanky compound is a million times better than alternatives presented by any law enforcement or government, to Steve it seems like his fear has been realized already before he even added his signature. People with powers are going to be locked up or otherwise forcibly controlled until such time as it's deemed by some higher power that they are released in order to be aimed at a target chosen for them.
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#Zemowasright
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SimonCat posted:That doesn't make any sense. If Clark is Superman, how can he see when he takes off his glasses? He had his eyes lasered.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Not super surprising, but Colossus, Negasonic Teenage Warhead, and Cable are all officially confirmed for Deadpool 2. Who is the director? I'm a bit concerned the team from Deadpool 1 is broken up but hopefully the writers and Reynolds can manage. Hopefully it remains somewhat small scale at heart and they keep the good character moments. The personal love throughline being motivation vs world ending threat was nice. I would be amused if Deadpools bromance with Cable makes his romance with Morena Baccarin jealous.
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Lobok posted:She can control her powers fine. What she did was make a choice to save lives that unfortunately killed others and it had huge political ramifications. But Cap was pissed because the guy who represented the Accords, Stark, was the one saying hey I'm extra-judicially locking up our/your buddy for an unspecified amount of time. Even though Stark does have a great point that being holed up in his swanky compound is a million times better than alternatives presented by any law enforcement or government, to Steve it seems like his fear has been realized already before he even added his signature. People with powers are going to be locked up or otherwise forcibly controlled until such time as it's deemed by some higher power that they are released in order to be aimed at a target chosen for them. Om the other hand, his arrogance is astounding. He basically wants carte blanche to do whatever he wants with no consequences or oversight because him and his pals are infallible, and gently caress your soverignity if you dont like it! What a pompous rear end.
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greatn posted:It's not watching his dad die, it's watching his dads example which is important. His dad dies trying to save a dog. He is the same to that dog as Clark is to the humans, completely superior, and no one would begrudge him leaving it in the car to save his own lif, but he does it because it's the right thing to do. That's what Clark really learns here. Cythereal posted:I'm watching Captain America: Civil War for the first time since seeing it in theaters, and Cap is seriously loving bugging me. Stark's no saint - if anyone's a good guy in this movie it's T'Challa who also steals the scene anytime he's on screen to begin with - but Cap is such a loving rear end in a top hat who thinks consequences and rules are things that happen to other people but never him. Slugworth posted:Cap has just watched the people he reported to reveal themselves as super nazis. Stark on the other hand just watched his unchecked ambitions almost destroy the planet. Their positions make perfect sense. Certainly throughout the whole MCU there is some inconsistency in characterization, but the Russo brothers are building fairly consistently on the last appearance of each character. The question you should be asking is why a character named Captain America is a painfully shy dork who never talks to the public. Steve Rogers, the 90-pound-weakling, was far more outspoken and courageous. Neo Rasa posted:I felt like they had to make Cap a complete idiot so that they could fit them both into being hardline anti and pro registration respectively like they are in the comics. They wanted to fit a very simplistic "registration=government=OPPRESSION" "non-registration=non-government=FREEDOM" Even though the previous movies built them up so that in Civil War's situation Cap's character may have made more sense to be pro registration while Stark would be completely against it. Juxtaposing the film itself against its marketing, Marvel Studios invited audiences to "Choose Your Side" in an essentially political conflict. But they tried to have their cake and eat it too by burying the political conflict underneath as many personal misgivings as possible, like the whole thing was just a nasty argument between friends. (Don't get me wrong, you're right as far as "Government=Oppression" is concerned. Civil War is a pro-libertarian film where the conflict is between a Silicon Valley technocrat and a sovereign citizen kook. Ultimately the conflict between Iron Man and Captain America is that Cap can't even stand the appearance of Tony's corporate paramilitary commando squad being regulated by the government. Cap is the same confused doofus he was in Age of Ultron, but the events of Civil War bring up his fundamental disagreement with Tony on what form of libertarianism is necessary to defeat Jewish Bolshevism.) Neo Rasa posted:I get everything about Cap regarding Bucky and what went down in Winter Soldier just fine, but even with all of that going on Cap *AGREES TO SIGN THE ACCORD* he flips and completely backs out at the last second after he learns that Scarlet Witch is under house arrest for blowing up those civilians, which was stupid to me. Like she can't fully control her stuff so she should stay away from people til she can sort her poo poo out is literally worse to Cap than them capturing Bucky/etc. Lobok posted:She can control her powers fine. What she did was make a choice to save lives that unfortunately killed others and it had huge political ramifications. But Cap was pissed because the guy who represented the Accords, Stark, was the one saying hey I'm extra-judicially locking up our/your buddy for an unspecified amount of time. Even though Stark does have a great point that being holed up in his swanky compound is a million times better than alternatives presented by any law enforcement or government, to Steve it seems like his fear has been realized already before he even added his signature. People with powers are going to be locked up or otherwise forcibly controlled until such time as it's deemed by some higher power that they are released in order to be aimed at a target chosen for them. Wanda is a walking nightmare for Tony; she's a war orphan created by one of Tony's bombs. She reminds him that he can't just invent super-rockets that magically murder only the correct foreigners while leaving civilians unharmed. He'd like to make this right in a "humanitarian" fashion by putting her in a swank apartment, but he'll settle for pumping her full of drugs and throwing her in a gulag "for her own protection." Just as long as she keeps her mouth shut and stays out of sight. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Jan 13, 2017 |
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Gatts posted:Who is the director? I'm a bit concerned the team from Deadpool 1 is broken up but hopefully the writers and Reynolds can manage. Tim Miller left and the new guy is one half of the the duo that directed John Wick. He has done stunts for lots of movies, but hasn't directed anything else.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:I give Goyer a lot of leeway on Blade: Trinity because there was so much ridiculous poo poo going on behind the scenes (and even in front of the camera) that there was no way it was ever going to turn out good whatever anyone did. Well Blade 3 suffered from franchise-itus as well, with a mandate to create spin-off movies for Jessica Biel and Ryan Reynolds. I mean, Snipes was ridiculous, but one of the things that set him off was the lack of focus on Blade himself, and he's pretty right about that. Also the villains were terrrrrrrrrrible.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Tim Miller left and the new guy is one half of the the duo that directed John Wick. He has done stunts for lots of movies, but hasn't directed anything else. One half of the John Wick duo I'll take. It was well directed imo and should fit Deadpool.
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McCloud posted:Om the other hand, his arrogance is astounding. He basically wants carte blanche to do whatever he wants with no consequences or oversight because him and his pals are infallible, and gently caress your soverignity if you dont like it! What a pompous rear end. He applies the same superhero model to any situation. If he's in a city and "sees a situation go south" he'll intervene and help out. If he's in another country he'll do the same. Or if he has to go to another country. Borders don't factor into his morals. Halloween Jack posted:Wanda is a walking nightmare for Tony; she's a war orphan created by one of Tony's bombs. She reminds him that he can't just invent super-rockets that magically murder only the correct foreigners while leaving civilians unharmed. He'd like to make this right in a "humanitarian" fashion by putting her in a swank apartment, but he'll settle for pumping her full of drugs and throwing her in a gulag "for her own protection." Just as long as she keeps her mouth shut and stays out of sight. And that's what he does later in the film. Steve already had a problem with the tamer, apartment version of her incarceration.
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Detective No. 27 posted:And his first appearance is in a Jimmy Olseon comic. I love that tidbit. His first appearance is very close to what happened in BvS. 
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Jan 13, 2017 18:10
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Yeesh, it looks like Mark Trail is talking to Yul Brynner.
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Lobok posted:And that's what he does later in the film. Steve already had a problem with the tamer, apartment version of her incarceration. Technically it wasn't him, but Ross who did the incarceration. Stark was completely unaware of how harsh the consequences would be (which is a recurring theme for him). He even said so during the airport sequence. He was telling Cap that he should be glad it was him trying to bring them in instead of a black ops unit that would have no qualms about killing every single one of them.
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Lobok posted:She can control her powers fine. What she did was make a choice to save lives that unfortunately killed others and it had huge political ramifications. But Cap was pissed because the guy who represented the Accords, Stark, was the one saying hey I'm extra-judicially locking up our/your buddy for an unspecified amount of time. Even though Stark does have a great point that being holed up in his swanky compound is a million times better than alternatives presented by any law enforcement or government, to Steve it seems like his fear has been realized already before he even added his signature. People with powers are going to be locked up or otherwise forcibly controlled until such time as it's deemed by some higher power that they are released in order to be aimed at a target chosen for them. Also that was right before the poo poo went down with Zemo and Bucky. The mystery was one of the things pulling him back from signing, and his own belief that only he could stop a tragedy from occurring. EDIT: Like everytime there was a hope of reconciliation, Zemo would poke the bee hive, and things would progress superheroically, nullifying compromise and discussion. It's like he took advantage of the thematics of superhero comics to further his cause.
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Halloween Jack posted:Yeesh, it looks like Mark Trail is talking to Yul Brynner. I like how it looks like Darkseid's helmet is just a very shiny pageboy.
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RBA Starblade posted:A rough and tumble street fighter named Bimmy. You mean Jiimmy. Also with regards to Civil War, I don't remember if they bring up the fact that SHIELD was infiltrated by double-nazis in the previous movie? Syncopated fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Jan 13, 2017 |
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Got the pic from this article about Darkseid, its a good read: http://comicsalliance.com/tribute-darkseid/
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Scyantific posted:Technically it wasn't him, but Ross who did the incarceration. Stark was completely unaware of how harsh the consequences would be (which is a recurring theme for him). He even said so during the airport sequence. He was telling Cap that he should be glad it was him trying to bring them in instead of a black ops unit that would have no qualms about killing every single one of them. It's a nice sentiment, but there's no black ops unit on Earth that's going to take out the team that 2 Iron Men, a Magic Robot, a legendary black ops agent, and a kid doing whatever a spider can, are having severe trouble with.
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Syncopated posted:Also with regards to Civil War, I don't remember if they bring up the fact that SHIELD was infiltrated by double-nazis in the previous movie? You know better than that.
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Syncopated posted:You mean Jiimmy. They do. Cap, Tony, and Widow all mention it at different points. Cap mentions it when talking about what SHIELD was meant to be and the accords. Widow says something about following orders and Tony mentions that her previous orders came from Nazis. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Jan 13, 2017 |
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Lobok posted:He applies the same superhero model to any situation. If he's in a city and "sees a situation go south" he'll intervene and help out. If he's in another country he'll do the same. Or if he has to go to another country. Borders don't factor into his morals. And what happens if he fucks up and people die? Or Wanda? Or Stark? He thinks we should just shrug and pat them on their back for doing their best and diregard the corpses left in their wake, that's the problem. If he won't subject himself to oversight then he should hand in his shield, or he's no better than a bully. Might does not make right, not even for Captain America.
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