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lol no, its just a video I found that makes me also want to apologize to black people. im just obsessed with that cringey vid is all.
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The Kingfish posted:lol no, its just a video I found that makes me also want to apologize to black people. im just obsessed with that cringey vid is all. Ah. In that case,  temple posted:It is, particular the different tribes in the Horn. I work for a nonprofit that does free eye surgeries in the developing world, and one of our volunteer doctors did a trip to rural Ethiopia recently. Brought back some unbelievably gorgeous photos of minority tribes and the landscape. I'll post some on Tuesday when I get back to work.
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Fluffdaddy posted:No doubt sexism exist in the black community (we have a whole thread about it) but hoteps have added a lot extra bullshit Hoteps just can't stop hoteppin'. http://youtube.com/watch?v=UXbQXIqvVUQ
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HotCanadianChick posted:Hoteps just can't stop hoteppin'. This is everything.
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HotCanadianChick posted:Hoteps just can't stop hoteppin'. i just died lmao
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HotCanadianChick posted:Hoteps just can't stop hoteppin'. Is that a portrait of Jason Whitlock on the dude's wall?
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temple posted:I dislike the disdain for hoteps because at the core, hoteps want to identify with a heritage beyond slavery. But for some reason, black people, african people, and everyone in between shun african americans who identify with african culture as interlopers or posers. Calling some a hotep is basically saying pretend african. So what does that leave our heritage, slaves? The distinction I'd make here is one between learning about an ancestor's customs and attempting to revive dead ones. Black Americans whose heritage is of slavery don't really have much of a surviving heritage of what came before that, as a collective the connection to those traditions atrophied or was supplanted(both incidentally and deliberately) by other stuff. And because of that I imagine they see it as actual cultural appropriation, where a group of people who don't actually have a continued connection to African traditions have tried to adopt them or have made something new or even created some kind of good and useful community initiative but have slapped a Swahili word on it for some kind of African-authenticity. Personally I agree with the sentiment, and have the same sort of disdain for those folks as I do with the person who finds out they're 1/16th Cherokee and then starts wearing feathers and telling people what they've decided their Indian name is, or the person who talks about getting back to their pagan or druidic roots before devolving into the smelliest of hippies. The whole thing seems like insincere and desperate attempts to attach themselves to cultural things to which their only connection is lineage across many generations, I imagine because of in part, if not a sentiment of shame about their heritage, certainly not a sense of pride about a history of subjugation. If there were traditions that had continued to be practised through the era of slavery and to the modern day, I don't think people would think poorly of those who embraced the traditions. But these movements, from what I've read and seen of them, seem to be incredibly inauthentic ways to "Africanise". Dexo posted:I get wanting to find our history in Africa but so few people do it beyond a basic surface level. I think a problem here is how the reality of Africa being just as segmented a continent as all the others, as far as history and culture are concerned, doesn't really mesh with the USA-centric monolith of a more generic black identity which covers people with a much more coherent/similar history and set of experiences. I doubt a lot of black Americans really know which parts of Africa their ancestors came from - in part because going back that many generations is going to mean a lineage that likely branches across West-Africa + Mozambique - and wonder if that makes generic x-African movements appealing because it's a simple and accessible concept to identify with, while also meaning that some of them pick whichever bit of popular African culture and history stands out most to them(hence the fixation on the culture with pyramids and pharaohs rather than the trading empires).
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HotCanadianChick posted:Hoteps just can't stop hoteppin'. That's pretty great.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:If you mean countries like Chad or Sudan or Mauritania then I agree, although my opinion on the matter doesn't actually mean very much. If you mean Egypt and Libya, well I think the inhabitants themselves would disagree with this statement. Arabs are not the only people who are Egyptian. Copts and Nubians have lived in Northern and Eastern Africa for as long as any Sub-Saharan African cultures.
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lohli posted:The distinction I'd make here is one between learning about an ancestor's customs and attempting to revive dead ones. Black Americans whose heritage is of slavery don't really have much of a surviving heritage of what came before that, as a collective the connection to those traditions atrophied or was supplanted(both incidentally and deliberately) by other stuff. And because of that I imagine they see it as actual cultural appropriation, where a group of people who don't actually have a continued connection to African traditions have tried to adopt them or have made something new or even created some kind of good and useful community initiative but have slapped a Swahili word on it for some kind of African-authenticity. Pan Africanism and black consciousness are philosophies and movements that have progressed with time. At this point, people can use genetic data to locate distant family members to create specific (as in tribal) affiliations. My family has. I believe the africanese of the 1960s (really before that) is moving towards understanding specific cultural legacies. What troubles me is the surprising resistance to dna testing results by black and africans and thus the hesitance to establish greater connections. What is the fear? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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420 Gank Mid posted:Arabs are not the only people who are Egyptian. Copts and Nubians have lived in Northern and Eastern Africa for as long as any Sub-Saharan African cultures. Copts are also the most genetically direct descendants of ancient Egyptians, at least as far as current DNA evidence can determine. I think that in and of itself makes appropriating Egyptian culture, by any ethnic group, all the more problematic, though - the Copts have been treated absolutely horribly over the centuries. 
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Majorian posted:Copts are also the most genetically direct descendants of ancient Egyptians, at least as far as current DNA evidence can determine. I think that in and of itself makes appropriating Egyptian culture, by any ethnic group, all the more problematic, though - the Copts have been treated absolutely horribly over the centuries. Yes but depicting ancient Egyptians as black or dark skinned is not appropriation or even particularly inaccurate.
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420 Gank Mid posted:Yes but depicting ancient Egyptians as black or dark skinned is not appropriation or even particularly inaccurate. No, it's not, I was more speaking about the previously-mentioned phenomenon of someone saying, "I descend from the pharaohs," when that's...tough to prove, at best.
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Going back the previous page, holding people criminally liable for reporting bogus suspicious behavior is problematic for two reasons; one it encourages people to second guess themselves if something legitimately happens (fearing liability if they're wrong) and two, it could make rape victims that recant face retaliation from their attackers. The responsibility should be on the police to properly evaluate these situations. The change needs to be on their own policies and procedures to discern imminent threats from racist cranks calling them.
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Majorian posted:No, it's not, I was more speaking about the previously-mentioned phenomenon of someone saying, "I descend from the pharaohs," when that's...tough to prove, at best. Ramses II had over 250 legitimate sons. Dude has Genghis Khan levels of descendants so really it's not so far out of the question. Especially amongst Copts in particular.
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420 Gank Mid posted:Ramses II had over 250 legitimate sons. Dude has Genghis Khan levels of descendants so really it's not so far out of the question. Especially amongst Copts in particular. Yeah, it's just kind of lovely that people tend to overlook the Copts, when, you know. They have arguably the best claim to being descendants of pharaohs. e: That's all I'm basically saying here - pity the Copts. God knows they deserve some recognition. Majorian fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Jan 15, 2017 |
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Welcome to Negrotown, Copts!
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Dejawesp posted:Speaking as a Swede. Some racists over here complete lost their mind over a black guy playing Heimdall in the Thor movie. Because Norse mythology is their last bastion of all whiteness and toxic masculinity. this literally happened: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XYlJqf4dLI
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This all reminds me of a fun story... we had a guy who applied for, and received, a summer research fellowship for URMs identifying as African-American. He was actually a Copt (born in the US, parents were Egyptian), his skin was very white, and nobody knew that until the day he showed up. That event led to some very uncomfortable debates!
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ThePeavstenator posted:this literally happened: Has... has no one ever told them he's not real!?
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Quick heads up: Apparently someone has threatened to doxx posters in this thread. Please go ahead and take whatever precautions you need to just to be on the safe side. If you have any questions, feel free to pm me.
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Crane Fist posted:Has... has no one ever told them he's not real!? Well, it's really freaking odd, like they're keeping up appearances 'for the kids', by asserting that he is factually really white. Like it is truly essential that this fiction is maintained, and that the fiction is maintained to be white.
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Maluco Marinero posted:Well, it's really freaking odd, like they're keeping up appearances 'for the kids', by asserting that he is factually really white. Like it is truly essential that this fiction is maintained, and that the fiction is maintained to be white. To be fair they couldn't imagine happily inviting a black man into their home once a year.
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BROCK LESBIAN posted:To be fair they couldn't imagine happily inviting a black man into their home once a year. Or letting their children sit on a black man's lap at the mall.
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Koalas March posted:Quick heads up: Apparently someone has threatened to doxx posters in this thread. Please go ahead and take whatever precautions you need to just to be on the safe side. No matter what website we go to this always happens and I just dont understand it.
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Koalas March posted:Quick heads up: Apparently someone has threatened to doxx posters in this thread. Please go ahead and take whatever precautions you need to just to be on the safe side. Thats hosed up, but unsurprising.
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They might find out I like anime and Jpop and talk about it a lot on social media.
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:This all reminds me of a fun story... we had a guy who applied for, and received, a summer research fellowship for URMs identifying as African-American. He was actually a Copt (born in the US, parents were Egyptian), his skin was very white, and nobody knew that until the day he showed up. I worked at a Waffle House one summer that was 90% staffed by one Coptic family group. The youngest one was applying for every scholarship he could, including ones for African Americans. He didn't identify as black, but he was willing to exploit any loophole if it got him a boost. Couldn't really blame him for it.
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temple posted:Welcome to Negrotown, Copts! DC Murderverse posted:Copt Lives Matter As a cis/het white male who is in no way Coptic, I feel I am well-equipped to speak for all Copts in thanking you for your welcome. e: Boutros Boutros-Ghali was a Copt, and he had the best name of any UN Sec-Gen. Majorian fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Jan 15, 2017 |
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Koalas March posted:Quick heads up: Apparently someone has threatened to doxx posters in this thread. Please go ahead and take whatever precautions you need to just to be on the safe side. Hi Negrotown thread. This has happened before in the old feminism thread. Please do not underestimate how dangerous this poo poo can be. A friend of mine was stalked for the crime of posting while female and had to delete her Facebook and Google+ accounts to protect herself. Something similar will happen to you if you are not careful. Please stay safe.
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Dexo posted:I'm half interested to see what comes up when someone tries to Doxx me. Everything is coming up Goku.
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One of those times I am glad that my real name is hard as gently caress to google.
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Dexo posted:I'm half interested to see what comes up when someone tries to Doxx me. *checks file* uhh it says here you like a bad basketball team with only... Two alphas???
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AggressivelyStupid posted:*checks file* uhh it says here you like a bad basketball team with only... Two alphas??? Three Alphas are back baby. Rondo was recently installed as the prime alpha of the second unit.
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Koalas March posted:Quick heads up: Apparently someone has threatened to doxx posters in this thread. Please go ahead and take whatever precautions you need to just to be on the safe side. White people continue to prove they're the worst.
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Gringostar posted:White people continue to prove they're the worst. "White people do a bad job and harm non-whites" "like hell we do! Here comes the doxx" 
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Koalas March posted:Quick heads up: Apparently someone has threatened to doxx posters in this thread. Please go ahead and take whatever precautions you need to just to be on the safe side. Was this threat made publicly on these forums, or privately? If you need to share that via PM, no worries, just figured I'd ask here first.
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