EU Politics: I miss Renaults(don't make fun of me)

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Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

Russian puppet suggests EU breaks up. News at 11.

# ? Jan 16, 2017 00:46

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# ? May 14, 2024 02:17

Lord of the Llamas: Jul 9, 2002; EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

Geriatric Pirate posted:

In Finland (free education) we also have a shortage of nurses. Odd, they should be flocking to study nursing because there are no tuition fees. Ditto for high tech workers. Could it possibly be that those are two sectors with high demand for employment regardless?

And lol at your attempt to avoid the issue. Investment is an essential social good that provides a lot of benefits. Your job didn't pop up out of nowhere. Someone invested to set up those tech infrastructure companies. The food you eat doesn't come from the sky, some farmer invested in his farm to provide it for you. Trying to argue that investment has limited social benefits has to be the funniest way to try to avoid having to come to terms that your position is illogical. So let's try this again: Why should we subsidize your education as opposed to the investment your employer made to provide you a job? It can't be from the revenue side - in your world, rich people just pay for everything. It's probably not related to the social benefits - jobs and goods provided are arguably as or more important than your education.

Yes. The government did. And the function of my employer goes well beyond anything it can directly charge for or profit from. Not everything is a simple transaction you fool.

# ? Jan 16, 2017 00:51

shrike82: Jun 11, 2005

Trump getting the US out of NATO might actually be one of the less dumb things he's going to do.

# ? Jan 16, 2017 00:51

Al-Saqr: Nov 11, 2007; One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

It's amazing how the EU thought that by crushing elected leftist governments left and right and being completely uncompromising with their lovely economic policies they'd save themselves but only provided the stepping stones for right wing nationalism to come end the EU in a much more horrific fashion than they've ever dreamed of.

# ? Jan 16, 2017 00:52

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Al-Saqr posted:

It's amazing how the EU thought that by crushing elected leftist governments left and right and being completely uncompromising with their lovely economic policies they'd save themselves but only provided the stepping stones for right wing nationalism to come end the EU in a much more horrific fashion than they've ever dreamed of.

They don't care. They have their money now and would only lose it in a leftist uprising, not a nationalist one.

# ? Jan 16, 2017 01:13

MeLKoR: Dec 23, 2004; by FactsAreUseless

Al-Saqr posted:

It's amazing how the EU thought that by crushing elected leftist governments left and right and being completely uncompromising with their lovely economic policies they'd save themselves but only provided the stepping stones for right wing nationalism to come end the EU in a much more horrific fashion than they've ever dreamed of.

Bourgeoisie starts to lose control of the fascists, who could have foreseen this.

# ? Jan 16, 2017 02:59

KaptainKrunk: Feb 6, 2006

Trump, broken clock and all, is actually right about the EU being a vehicle for German domination.

# ? Jan 16, 2017 03:04

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

KaptainKrunk posted:

Trump, broken clock and all, is actually right about the EU being a vehicle for German domination.

I doubt it, because the Germans design good vehicles and the EU is terribly designed. If anything, I'd blame the french.

# ? Jan 16, 2017 06:45

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

LemonDrizzle posted:

https://www.ft.com/content/1f7c6746-db75-11e6-9d7c-be108f1c1dce

Hey, Trump suggests further arms reduction talks, I knew the old Trump was in there somewhere.

Freezer posted:

I doubt it, because the Germans design good vehicles and the EU is terribly designed. If anything, I'd blame the french.

Nah, it's a perfect analogy. It seemed pretty awesome at first, then Dieselgate.

# ? Jan 16, 2017 06:54

MiddleOne: Feb 17, 2011

Dieselgate is the an excellent metaphor for the EU project.

# ? Jan 16, 2017 06:55

Phlegmish: Jul 2, 2011

MeLKoR posted:

Bourgeoisie starts to lose control of the fascists, who could have foreseen this.

Hrmm, agreed. [ideological enemy #1] is identical to [ideological enemy #2], when you think about it.

# ? Jan 16, 2017 08:16

Goa Tse-tung: Feb 11, 2008; ;3; Yams Fan

Phlegmish posted:

Hrmm, agreed. [ideological enemy #1] is identical to [ideological enemy #2], when you think about it.

he says history is repeating, not that the bougies are nazies

# ? Jan 16, 2017 09:18

Mikl: Nov 8, 2009; Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!

In all this kerfuffle the following has probably been overlooked, but let's look at the Five-Star Movement for a while.

On January 8th, Grillo launched a surprise online vote on European policy. "Should we split up with UKIP and join the LibDems?" :siren:

The people's :siren:

answer was an overwhelming yes.

So the 5SM split up with UKIP and petitioned ALDE (Alliance of Liberal Democrats in Europe) to join their europarliament group.

ALDE said no :laffo:

So Grillo wrote a super-lengthy tirade on his blog on how "ALDE in general and [ALDE leader] Guy Verhofstadt should be ashamed of themselves, :siren:

THE ESTABLISHMENT :siren:

is against us", and so on and so forth, and had to go beg Farage to let 5SM back into their europarliament group. Which Farage did, while chastising Grillo and the 5SM and relegating the 5SM euro-MPs to secondary position in his group.

Meanwhile, latest (two day old) Italian polls. Question: "If you had to vote right now, who would you vote for?"

30,9% Five-Star Movement
30,1% Democratic Party
12,5% Lega Nord
12,4% Forza Italia

The rest is "others".

The upcoming 2017 elections will be fun :shepicide:

# ? Jan 16, 2017 09:38

MeLKoR: Dec 23, 2004; by FactsAreUseless

Phlegmish posted:

Hrmm, agreed. [ideological enemy #1] is identical to [ideological enemy #2], when you think about it.

No, I just find it funny that the bourgeois are going all "how can these deplorables be so stupid, don't they see these guys will destroy the country? maybe only smart people should vote!" after spending the last decades moving the Overton window to the right of Pinochet.

What the gently caress did they expect to happen? That the working class would just quietly take it in the rear end with no condom forever and ever and thank them for it? If you keep making GBS threads on the proles and leave them nowhere to go on the left what do you expect will eventually happen?

MeLKoR fucked around with this message at 11:55 on Jan 16, 2017

# ? Jan 16, 2017 11:51

Cat Mattress: Jul 14, 2012; by Cyrano4747

Freezer posted:

I doubt it, because the Germans design good vehicles and the EU is terribly designed. If anything, I'd blame the french.

French cars are actually better than German cars.

# ? Jan 16, 2017 12:21

Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

Mikl posted:

In all this kerfuffle the following has probably been overlooked, but let's look at the Five-Star Movement for a while.

On January 8th, Grillo launched a surprise online vote on European policy. "Should we split up with UKIP and join the LibDems?" The people's answer was an overwhelming yes.

So the 5SM split up with UKIP and petitioned ALDE (Alliance of Liberal Democrats in Europe) to join their europarliament group.

ALDE said no

That whole thing was so hilarious I couldn't stop laughing.

A fortunate by-product is that a lot of people are now finally and belatedly becoming aware of what an absolute powerhungry scumbag Verhofstadt is. I'll leave you with the Euractiv op-ed on this one:

quote:

Never, ever trust Guy Verhofstadt

By James Crisp

Today we learnt an important lesson; never, ever trust Guy Verhofstadt.

There was a time when, even if you disagreed with him, you could believe the Hof stood for what he believed in. Not anymore.

Earlier today, Beppe Grillo�s Five Star Movement voted to join Verhofstadt�s ALDE group in the European Parliament.

On Friday, Verhofstadt said that he would fight populism if elected European Parliament President on 17 January.

Verhofstadt is meeting Grillo, a populist who wants Italy to quit the euro, this afternoon. They have already drawn up the terms of their marriage of convenience.

There were reports about 30 minutes ago that the deal was dead. But by even considering getting into bed with Beppe Grillo�s Five Star Movement, Verhofstadt has shown his true face.

Framed by that unmistakable middle parting, it is the shifty, snide face of a career politician, a venal opportunist willing to trade any conviction or belief for political gain.

In many ways, it�s an uglier mug than the likes of Nigel Farage. You know where you stand with Nigel, who stands to lose millions in EU funds if his EFDD group collapses as a result of M5S� defection. Don't be surpised if it drives UKIP into the arms of Marine Le Pen.

The Hof could have been the poster child candidate to end the snivelling, infantile Grand Coalition between the European People�s Party and the Socialists & Democrats.

Now he stands for precisely the dishonest backroom deals he claimed to despise. ALDE and 5 Star should be adversaries, not political prostitutes shacked up together for cash and influence.

Is Verhofstadt so obsessed with ALDE regaining its �kingmaker� status as the third largest group in the Parliament?

Perhaps there is more going on here than meets the eye. Maybe the Hof has wrought some Damascene conversion on Grillo, who is now a committed Euro-federalist. It�s hard to tell because no ALDE spokespeople returned our calls or emails.

No matter the result of tonight�s talks, Verhofstadt has lost all credibility and strangled his Parliament candidacy at birth.

ALDE, whose members can be forgiven for feeling mutinous, should jettison this liability as soon as possible.

Or at least hand him the metaphorical revolver and bottle of whisky by rejecting M5S in their vote on its membership.

It is impossible for any responsible, pro-European group to take the M5S on board.

Not my words, but Verhofstadt�s back in 2014.

Mind you, this was even before the ALDE members rightly blew it up.

# ? Jan 16, 2017 13:08

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Junior G-man posted:

That whole thing was so hilarious I couldn't stop laughing.

A fortunate by-product is that a lot of people are now finally and belatedly becoming aware of what an absolute powerhungry scumbag Verhofstadt is. I'll leave you with the Euractiv op-ed on this one:

Mind you, this was even before the ALDE members rightly blew it up.

I'm glad people see him as the piece of poo poo that he is. I just hope his career ends in cruel crushing failure.

# ? Jan 16, 2017 13:26

orange sky: May 7, 2007

So this Macron dude, in a scale of 1 to 10 how horrible is he?

# ? Jan 16, 2017 14:23

Bulbo: Nov 4, 2012

orange sky posted:

So this Macron dude, in a scale of 1 to 10 how horrible is he?

9.5 deciblairs.

# ? Jan 16, 2017 14:24

Sneaks McDevious: Jul 29, 2010; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

One Hectochirac

# ? Jan 16, 2017 14:35

Cat Mattress: Jul 14, 2012; by Cyrano4747

orange sky posted:

So this Macron dude, in a scale of 1 to 10 how horrible is he?

Slightly less bad than Fillon, but by a thin margin.

# ? Jan 16, 2017 14:44

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Cat Mattress posted:

Slightly less bad than Fillon, but by a thin margin.

By a micron? :haw:

# ? Jan 16, 2017 15:25

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

On the one hand, this may be the most counterproductive thing Gabriel could possibly have said. On the other hand, lol:

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/821003099850600449

# ? Jan 16, 2017 15:40

GaussianCopula: Jun 5, 2011; Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

LemonDrizzle posted:

On the one hand, this may be the most counterproductive thing Gabriel could possibly have said. On the other hand, lol:

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/821003099850600449

Fun fact, by value BMW is the biggest car exporter in the US.

# ? Jan 16, 2017 16:50

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

LemonDrizzle posted:

On the one hand, this may be the most counterproductive thing Gabriel could possibly have said. On the other hand, lol:

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/821003099850600449

Trump will destroy Germany.

# ? Jan 16, 2017 16:59

awesome-express: Dec 30, 2008

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Trump will destroy Germany.

Holy poo poo, 2017 is off to a great start

# ? Jan 16, 2017 17:07

MiddleOne: Feb 17, 2011

LemonDrizzle posted:

On the one hand, this may be the most counterproductive thing Gabriel could possibly have said. On the other hand, lol:

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/821003099850600449

I feel like I'm always leaning back and forth on whether I hate the UK or Germany the most for being such stubborn idiots on everything political.

# ? Jan 16, 2017 17:09

Pinch Me Im Meming: Jun 26, 2005

Tesseraction posted:

By a micron?

Nice!

# ? Jan 16, 2017 17:11

Pinch Me Im Meming: Jun 26, 2005

Anyway, so I gues now that the US and the UK are drifting away you all non-french eurogoons are going to have to subsidize our military. :smug:

Let's call it La Grande Arm�e and be done with it. I hear Moscow is splendid this time of year.

# ? Jan 16, 2017 17:14

awesome-express: Dec 30, 2008

MiddleOne posted:

I feel like I'm always leaning back and forth on whether I hate the UK or Germany the most for being such stubborn idiots on everything political.

Germans have a lot of... historical baggage to try and change the status quo.

# ? Jan 16, 2017 17:15

Kassad: Nov 12, 2005; It's about time.

Pinch Me Im Meming posted:

Let's call it La Grande Arm�e and be done with it. I hear Moscow is splendid this time of year.

It's actually the trip back from Moscow to Paris that's to die for.

# ? Jan 16, 2017 17:20

GaussianCopula: Jun 5, 2011; Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

Pinch Me Im Meming posted:

Anyway, so I gues now that the US and the UK are drifting away you all non-french eurogoons are going to have to subsidize our military.

Let's call it La Grande Arm�e and be done with it. I hear Moscow is splendid this time of year.

Just fyi, the deal is that you get to spend a lot of money on your military, send your youth to die in the desert and blamed for all the evil in the world - not that someone is going to pay your for it.

# ? Jan 16, 2017 17:28

MiddleOne: Feb 17, 2011

GaussianCopula posted:

Just fyi, the deal is that you get to spend a lot of money on your military, send your youth to die in the desert and blamed for all the evil in the world - not that someone is going to pay your for it.

Not true, for your efforts everyone in the world gives you valuable resources and services and all they ask in return is paper notes with BOND written on them. Pretty sweet deal.

# ? Jan 16, 2017 17:48

Mikl: Nov 8, 2009; Vote shit sandwich or the shit sandwich gets it!

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Trump will destroy Germany.

If there's one bright side to the rise of populism, it's that the next few years will be extremely entertaining.

_{For a given value of "entertaining", i.e. "like a train crash in slow motion".}

# ? Jan 16, 2017 17:52

throw to first DAMN IT: Apr 10, 2007; This whole thread has been raging at the people who don't want Saracen invasion to their homes

Perhaps you too should be more accepting of their cultures

Assuming that EU doesn't want to stop masturbating how great austerity is but are terrified that increased nationalism will tear it apart, I can think one easy solution that allows nations to pump up their economy, gives fascists an outlet that still keeps them in EU AND allows rich to get richer. Really, it's a win/win for everyone. We are going to colonize Africa again.

# ? Jan 16, 2017 17:59

Antifa Poltergeist: Jun 3, 2004; "We're not laughing with you, we're laughing at you"

Too late,China already beat us to it.

# ? Jan 16, 2017 18:08

throw to first DAMN IT: Apr 10, 2007; This whole thread has been raging at the people who don't want Saracen invasion to their homes

Perhaps you too should be more accepting of their cultures

Now, the word 'colonization' has some slight negative imaginary associated with it, which we can probably blame on the Belgians. Luckily, there's no need to let them be part of whole thing this time, so things are already looking up.

But still, instead of colonization, we can use more PC terms. Like, we could use this to solve the migrant crisis for example. Exporting stability to Africa will be new form of development aid. The new EU Army will be nominally responsible for it but honestly, the best way will be allowing private corporations to handle safekeeping and employment in majority of the areas.

I feel like this will really kickstart the african economy and think of how much value it will generate to the shareholders of these companies. This will be the thing that will save EU economy from post-Brexit slump.

# ? Jan 16, 2017 18:20

Pinch Me Im Meming: Jun 26, 2005

throw to first drat IT posted:

Now, the word 'colonization' has some slight negative imaginary associated with it, which we can probably blame on the Belgians. Luckily, there's no need to let them be part of whole thing this time, so things are already looking up.

But still, instead of colonization, we can use more PC terms. Like, we could use this to solve the migrant crisis for example. Exporting stability to Africa will be new form of development aid. The new EU Army will be nominally responsible for it but honestly, the best way will be allowing private corporations to handle safekeeping and employment in majority of the areas.

I feel like this will really kickstart the african economy and think of how much value it will generate to the shareholders of these companies. This will be the thing that will save EU economy from post-Brexit slump.

Eagerly awaiting this in the form of very serious political pamphlets in the coming elections. Such a grand time to be alive!

# ? Jan 16, 2017 18:39

Flowers For Algeria: Dec 3, 2005; I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.

Pinch Me Im Meming posted:

Anyway, so I gues now that the US and the UK are drifting away you all non-french eurogoons are going to have to subsidize our military.

Let's call it La Grande Arm�e and be done with it. I hear Moscow is splendid this time of year.

No because when M�lenchon gets elected he'll pull us out of NATO and the EU's ridiculous military program.

# ? Jan 16, 2017 19:28

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# ? May 14, 2024 02:17

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Reasonable People with Legitimate Concerns on the march in Paris:

https://twitter.com/Mariebrustelle/status/820317682503446528

https://twitter.com/AntoineServes/status/820545615205638144

# ? Jan 17, 2017 01:19

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