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Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Mr. Belpit posted:

Even if they'd hypothetically used the Hendrix version in the main menu, that wouldn't necessarily mean they have rights to use it in advertising, would it?

The copyright holder can attach almost any restrictions they want to a license.

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snergle
Aug 3, 2013

A kind little mouse!

Flipperwaldt posted:

The cover artist isn't Jimi Hendrix in this case. It's Billy Valentine & The Forest Rangers, or so Youtube tells me anyway.

XXXX + forest rangers are basically a professional cover band. They used them a bunch in sons of anarchy. The only decent one was joshua james + forest rangers no milk today

Mr. Belpit
Nov 11, 2008

Platystemon posted:

The copyright holder can attach almost any restrictions they want to a license.

yeah, I suspected as much.

Tiny Brontosaurus
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Mr. Belpit posted:

Even if they'd hypothetically used the Hendrix version in the main menu, that wouldn't necessarily mean they have rights to use it in advertising, would it?

It can get even more complicated than that. Sometimes you purchase the right to use a song in an ad only for a set amount of time, like a few months, which means if your trailers are up online after that license expires you have to go back and edit them and replace the music. I once worked for a place that learned that the hard way. Nothing like your trailer getting taken down from your own company's youtube account because of a DCMA request.

Chitin
Apr 29, 2007

It is no sign of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society.
Also licenses are for very specific uses. For a given song there are generally three copyrights - one for the lyrics, one for the composition, and one for the recording.

As you can imagine this gets complicated very quickly.

Screaming Idiot
Nov 26, 2007

JUST POSTING WHILE JERKIN' MY GHERKIN SITTIN' IN A PERKINS!

BEATS SELLING MERKINS.
It's almost as if copyright laws are bullshit or something.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



El Gallinero Gros posted:

In fairness to Mafia III, not using Hendrix might have to do with the fact that Hendrix's estate is VERY protective about his music being used. Al Hendrix, Jimi's dad, has a real bug up his rear end about allowing any media he morally disagrees with using his son's music, which sounds reasonable until you realize Al tried to get in Jimi's way almost every step of the way on Jimi's way to the top. Maybe they could have used some reworked Motown stuff, particularly the more socially conscious songs.

I guess what I'm saying is licensing music can be a pain in the rear end, and the hip-hop songs they used in the ads were probably simply a matter of making a decent offer.

I am honestly surprised Hendrix's dad is still alive.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Phlegmish posted:

I am honestly surprised Hendrix's dad is still alive.

He isn't. He died in 2002. There was a lawsuit after he died because he cut his son out of the will and left everything to Jimi's sister.

Killed By Death
Jun 29, 2013




Please buy our game, there's porn of it, you guys like that right??

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
it would have work if they were more subtle about it

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Isn't that the guy that has a room full of knives and still thinks Duke Nukem is hilarious

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

Killed By Death posted:



Please buy our game, there's porn of it, you guys like that right??



If it wasn't lyin' Randy Pitchford, I wouldn't even bother with this, but it is, so I checked.

Look at this lineup.

https://battleborn.com/en/battleborn/

Then read this two-word question.

Of whom?

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Somfin posted:

If it wasn't lyin' Randy Pitchford, I wouldn't even bother with this, but it is, so I checked.

Look at this lineup.

https://battleborn.com/en/battleborn/

Then read this two-word question.

Of whom?

"The badly rendered one"

I'm assuming Randy made the first few to try and get things going to make it "viral". Like a flu.
(I'm assuming there actually are some R34 images of them, I'm not checking because my care factor for Gearboxes flopped IP is zero)

venus de lmao
Apr 30, 2007

Call me "pixeltits"

Killed By Death posted:



Please buy our game, there's porn of it, you guys like that right??



"Overwatch is better" but that's true :confused:

Screaming Idiot
Nov 26, 2007

JUST POSTING WHILE JERKIN' MY GHERKIN SITTIN' IN A PERKINS!

BEATS SELLING MERKINS.

Somfin posted:

If it wasn't lyin' Randy Pitchford, I wouldn't even bother with this, but it is, so I checked.

Look at this lineup.

https://battleborn.com/en/battleborn/

Then read this two-word question.

Of whom?

My god, those character designs are aggressively bad. They looked at LoL and Overwatch and Borderlands, said "Let's do this, but worse," then rose to the challenge. One of those designs is literally Zenyatta with a monocle and bowler hat.

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

DancingShade posted:

I'm assuming Randy made the first few to try and get things going to make it "viral". Like a flu.

I seriously hope that he pulled team artists off of official projects to make softcore porn of his alien-lookin' characters in the hope that he could prove Jim Sterling right and have pornography save a dying moba-like.

Screaming Idiot
Nov 26, 2007

JUST POSTING WHILE JERKIN' MY GHERKIN SITTIN' IN A PERKINS!

BEATS SELLING MERKINS.
If those designs are indicative of Gearbox's art talents these days then making lovely softcore porn is exactly what they ought to be doing.

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER
I like Borderlands 2 :( Mind you, I have terrible taste, so yeah.

Indolent Bastard
Oct 26, 2007

I WON THIS AMAZING AVATAR! I'M A WINNER! WOOOOO!

CommissarMega posted:

I like Borderlands 2 :( Mind you, I have terrible taste, so yeah.

Borderlands is fine. It's a grind-house game. It's dumb and crass and fun, just like its supposed to be.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

I don't really like Reddit humor so no thanks on Borderlands 2

jadebullet
Mar 25, 2011


MY LIFE FOR YOU!
I mean, it is the Internet and all, but I can't really see anyone wanting to gently caress any of those characters enough to make porn of them. Seriously, I'm sure if you dug hard enough you could find a "romantic" gently caress comic between the bus from the Magic School Bus, and the Chameleon, but I'm still not convinced anyone has even played Battleborn, let alone put a dick and tits on their random mushroom people.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

The best part is his tweet after.

https://twitter.com/duvalmagic/status/821142130135617536

Living Image
Apr 24, 2010

HORSE'S ASS

Who the gently caress uses 'pr0n' in tyool 2017

Fried Watermelon
Dec 29, 2008


CEO who tries to hard to talk to kids these days

Slime
Jan 3, 2007

Fried Watermelon posted:

CEO who tries to hard to talk to kids these days

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ele_dj3ud38

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Did any non-joke Battleborn porn ever exist in the first place?

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

https://twitter.com/bebopanapolis/status/821148907367448576

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

You couldn't beat Overwatch as a game, what the hell makes you think you're gonna beat it at porn?

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Indolent Bastard posted:

Borderlands is fine. It's a grind-house game. It's dumb and crass and fun, just like its supposed to be.

Exactly- mind you, I play Gaige, whose playstyle once you've got a few levels under your belt is 'hold down LMB when you see a skag until everything is dead, including especially those guys you're not even aiming at'.

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


Music licensing is great. I bought the Daria DVD set and it has a letter in it about how when they made the show the thought of selling the show wasn't even a thing so they didn't get the home video rights and now it would be cost prohibitive to get them so the solution was to just strip all the music from the show and replace it with generic stuff.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Len posted:

Music licensing is great. I bought the Daria DVD set and it has a letter in it about how when they made the show the thought of selling the show wasn't even a thing so they didn't get the home video rights and now it would be cost prohibitive to get them so the solution was to just strip all the music from the show and replace it with generic stuff.

Beavis and Butthead was hosed up real bad for home release for the same reason

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

A lot of stuff is. There's a semi-obscure movie about Hunter S. Thompson, Where the Buffalo Roam, that has had most of its soundtrack replaced on all but the earliest VHS releases. (You should check it out anyway if you're at all interested in seeing Thompson portrayed by Bill Murray.) Slapshot had similar issues until the DVD release. And apparently it was very hard to secure all the music rights to be able to release Miami Vice on DVD because that's one show where you really can't substitute, but they managed it.

TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

SAVE THE BEES
PLANT MORE TREES
CLEAN THE SEAS
KISS TITTIESS




Len posted:

Music licensing is great. I bought the Daria DVD set and it has a letter in it about how when they made the show the thought of selling the show wasn't even a thing so they didn't get the home video rights and now it would be cost prohibitive to get them so the solution was to just strip all the music from the show and replace it with generic stuff.

WKRP In Cincinnati went through something similar, as I understand it the current DVD release has something like 85-90% of the original music intact, with the remainder having generic studio music dubbed in.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




El Gallinero Gros posted:



I guess what I'm saying is licensing music can be a pain in the rear end, and the hip-hop songs they used in the ads were probably simply a matter of making a decent offer.

GrandpaPants
Feb 13, 2006


Free to roam the heavens in man's noble quest to investigate the weirdness of the universe!

Married With Children lost its theme song on DVD release.

The Door Frame
Dec 5, 2011

I don't know man everytime I go to the gym here there are like two huge dudes with raging high and tights snorting Nitro-tech off of each other's rock hard abs.

Somfin posted:

If it wasn't lyin' Randy Pitchford, I wouldn't even bother with this, but it is, so I checked.

Look at this lineup.

https://battleborn.com/en/battleborn/

Then read this two-word question.

Of whom?

Alani, Deande, and Pheobe are vague enough that a talented artist probably has enough room to make them not poo poo. I've never actually looked at the characters before and they're in this weird space between over-designed and completely uninspired that makes me gloss over them immediately. Gloss over them to the point that I didn't notice that there were bird people in power armor on that website until I noticed that a few of the characters didn't really have heads...

Battleborn could have an entire thread dedicated to its general bad management, but Gearbox itself has been trying very hard to lose any and all goodwill that people have towards it as a company. Whenever I heard the name "Gearbox", I used to think about how much fun I had playing BL1&2 with my brother, but now all I can think about is Randy bragging about getting dropped from a lawsuit based on the extremely negative (and well deserved) reaction to A:CM. You know, when he decided to praise the free market for rewarding his borderline criminal mismanagement of the most influential sci-fi IP since Star Wars "That whole thing was a huge waste of time. The market proved it was doing its job perfectly. The market is dispassionate - rewarding what it likes and punishing what it doesn't. There is an objectivity and fairness in the open market's harsh, firm justice. For every place the market succeeded, the legal system failed as it was being manipulated by what appeared to me to be essentially mafia style extortion tactics."

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


I still can't believe people keep bringing up lawsuits over bad videogames. Movies come out being poo poo all the time but oh man an overhyped game let's down gamers and they bring out the fire and pitchforks.

Captainsalami
Apr 16, 2010

I told you you'd pay!
To be fair if you paid 60 bucks for a movie ticket you'd be pretty pissed off too.

Johnny Aztec
Jan 30, 2005

by Hand Knit

The Door Frame posted:

Alani, Deande, and Pheobe are vague enough that a talented artist probably has enough room to make them not poo poo. I've never actually looked at the characters before and they're in this weird space between over-designed and completely uninspired that makes me gloss over them immediately. Gloss over them to the point that I didn't notice that there were bird people in power armor on that website until I noticed that a few of the characters didn't really have heads...

Battleborn could have an entire thread dedicated to its general bad management, but Gearbox itself has been trying very hard to lose any and all goodwill that people have towards it as a company. Whenever I heard the name "Gearbox", I used to think about how much fun I had playing BL1&2 with my brother, but now all I can think about is Randy bragging about getting dropped from a lawsuit based on the extremely negative (and well deserved) reaction to A:CM. You know, when he decided to praise the free market for rewarding his borderline criminal mismanagement of the most influential sci-fi IP since Star Wars "That whole thing was a huge waste of time. The market proved it was doing its job perfectly. The market is dispassionate - rewarding what it likes and punishing what it doesn't. There is an objectivity and fairness in the open market's harsh, firm justice. For every place the market succeeded, the legal system failed as it was being manipulated by what appeared to me to be essentially mafia style extortion tactics."

I knew Randy was a dipshit even before all this. He straight up told so many lies about BL1, that I didn't even get BL2 until I got word from someone I trusted that it was good.

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The Door Frame
Dec 5, 2011

I don't know man everytime I go to the gym here there are like two huge dudes with raging high and tights snorting Nitro-tech off of each other's rock hard abs.

Len posted:

I still can't believe people keep bringing up lawsuits over bad videogames. Movies come out being poo poo all the time but oh man an overhyped game let's down gamers and they bring out the fire and pitchforks.

It's very rare for games, even for non-functional ones like Arkham Knight, to get actual lawsuits brought against them. A:CM used marketing so deceptive that it was likely against America's very relaxed consumer protections.

The differences between games and other forms of media can be pointed at, but the fact of the matter is that video game advertising is pretty hosed up in relation to basically any other consumer item on the market. Very few companies will go to E3, the place for most of the industry to advertise their products, and say that what's playing on the screen behind them is a dev build, running on a stronger machine than any console, and was actually a scenario tailored for this specific event, so will not directly appear in the finished game.
Commercials for toys at least say "dramatization" or let the consumer know that it's not how the actual product behaves. Lawsuits like the one against Sega or the likely one pending over No Man's Sky help set advertising standards that protect consumers

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