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Discounting resistances, the ideal ring for a meatballer would have WED, life, +%fire and aspd, right? Because hoooo nellie that sounds expensive.
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Ciaphas posted:Discounting resistances, the ideal ring for a meatballer would have WED, life, +%fire and aspd, right? That's pretty much how all high end gearing goes. There's a breakpoint where poo poo just gets obscenely expensive.
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I only group play with Dried Lake or else with a friend or two. Both situations usually end up as one person steamrolling the content while the other people spam quicksilvers to try and keep up. This can be nice in dried lake if you just want to leech a few levels, but I find it frustrating when pushing T14-15s with a friend. It can feel like you're not contributing if your friend is just flat out more powerful. My last pubbie group farming session turned into a classic cluster gently caress of ~Player Interaction~. I was Howa in my early seventies, and so I was just steamrolling the zone. It worked out alright because other players would mop up the stuff behind me, and we were making really great time. We even had a necrobot (who kept dying because she was too busying summoning and not spamming flasks to keep up). So the necrobot asks us if we all want to map. We all say sure, and so we go to her hideout and proceed to run T1 maps (lol) as a group. This is hilarious. The group scatters like cockroaches going to every turn in the map. This results in the group members dying over and over again to trash mobs. They're all in their 60s, and they're apparently not geared well enough for this. The aurabot starts raging that everyone is leaving her to die. I tell everyone to just follow me. I'm the guy with the golden wings throwing the circles of death. I'm not exactly hidden. Some listen, some don't. Finally, someone opened a breach that killed the aurabot, and she finally broke. She accuses everyone of using her for her valuable T1 maps, and she proceeds to rage kick the entire group. Her parting words were something along the lines of 'It's like you don't even care about me'. Would group again.
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Fishvilla posted:I only group play with Dried Lake or else with a friend or two. Both situations usually end up as one person steamrolling the content while the other people spam quicksilvers to try and keep up. This can be nice in dried lake if you just want to leech a few levels, but I find it frustrating when pushing T14-15s with a friend. It can feel like you're not contributing if your friend is just flat out more powerful.  
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Hauki posted:I went berserker on my dude if you care, I probably spent <1.5 ex on it as far as actual currency though with most of that going to the amulet and axe, so there's certainly room for improvement. How many chromes did the carcass jack take? I've been trying to get my Ngamahu/Berserker to 3g/2r his 5L and it hasn't been going exceedingly well. There's also the problem of it being 6s and the offcolor landing on the free socket, of course. EDIT: My issue with group play is that it just boosts mob HP making it more likely that my glass cannons will find it difficult to kill the mobs before they take a hit, so it's actively counterproductive unless the group includes a fully geared aurabot tripling everyone's DPS, especially past, say, t8 or so. Kytrarewn fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Jan 17, 2017 |
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My meatball slayer is running Herald of Ash and blasphemy Enfeeble right now. Anyone have other suggestions? I was thinking switching to Determination + Arctic Armor and making Enfeeble a CWDT trigger alongside Immortal Call (instead of IC + Molten Shell like now).
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I'm deciding if I want to make the push for 24 challenges (never done!) or just stop until the next league. I can see a way to 22, not sure which 2 of the rest will be feasible. Still with the SR-CWC-WI build, I'm snoozing through T9 & T10's with 7.5k ES (11k w/ Vaal Disc up). I'm upgrading the amulet next, it doesn't need any resist so I'm going for 90+ Int and %ES or Spell Damage. Any other recommendations for Whiceperer? My cwdt setups are a mess, but I gave up getting the right colors and just spilled to another slot. Holyshoot posted:Are strand/gorge parties still a thing? I remember that being super good exp before atlas came out(2.2 & 2.3). Or did they pretty much null it since getting the map you want is easy as gently caress now?
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JawnV6 posted:I'm deciding if I want to make the push for 24 challenges (never done!) or just stop until the next league. I can see a way to 22, not sure which 2 of the rest will be feasible. Still with the SR-CWC-WI build, I'm snoozing through T9 & T10's with 7.5k ES (11k w/ Vaal Disc up). I'm upgrading the amulet next, it doesn't need any resist so I'm going for 90+ Int and %ES or Spell Damage. Get an Atziri's flask.
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JawnV6 posted:I'm deciding if I want to make the push for 24 challenges (never done!) or just stop until the next league. I can see a way to 22, not sure which 2 of the rest will be feasible. Still with the SR-CWC-WI build, I'm snoozing through T9 & T10's with 7.5k ES (11k w/ Vaal Disc up). I hit 24 last night  You can do it too!
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JawnV6 posted:I'm deciding if I want to make the push for 24 challenges (never done!) or just stop until the next league. I can see a way to 22, not sure which 2 of the rest will be feasible. Still with the SR-CWC-WI build, I'm snoozing through T9 & T10's with 7.5k ES (11k w/ Vaal Disc up). I'm upgrading the amulet next, it doesn't need any resist so I'm going for 90+ Int and %ES or Spell Damage. If you can settle for less resists, just about any Crystal Belt would be a massive ES upgrade. You could even try crafting an int one with essences. And 24 challenges should be pretty easy even without buying any. If you're willing to spend some chaos there's even more that you could grab. From your list the following should be easily doable: Encounter II Rare Monsters in Merciless Unique Monsters Breachlord's Domain ID 100 Uniques Fully Upgrade Hideout Merciless Act Bosses Level 90 Achieve Ascension UNID Rare Maps That's 9, and then one of the following that are kinda RNG: Splinters from Monsters (Chayula RNG) Vaal Bosses(some farming) Unique Strongbox(Chance every white strongbox) None of that should take significant grinding or farming.
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With the exception of a *decent* ES roll, those gloves are a bit weak. I might look into getting a set of +spelldamage implicit gloves and dropping your raw ES a tad. Remember, that 16% spelldamage is worth 160int. EDIT: also, grabbing more resists in offslots like gloves allows you to drop some of the resists you have on the tree in favor of damage nodes, like the damage over time nodes near Ghost Reaver. Kytrarewn fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Jan 17, 2017 |
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Kytrarewn posted:How many chromes did the carcass jack take? I've been trying to get my Ngamahu/Berserker to 3g/2r his 5L and it hasn't been going exceedingly well. There's also the problem of it being 6s and the offcolor landing on the free socket, of course.
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Are there any useful metrics out there for deciding if I have the DPS chops to do The Shaper besides bricking a Shaper set to find out I don't?
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core or guardians i guess, but its a p mechanics heavy fight and your tank is important too
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Yeah I guess I was hoping for a "if you can kill minot air in 3 minutes you're good" or similar. I've bricked a couple sets before and made it to p3.
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Cinara posted:If you can settle for less resists, just about any Crystal Belt would be a massive ES upgrade. You could even try crafting an int one with essences. Would it be better to get more resists on the amulet? Cinara posted:From your list the following should be easily doable: Kytrarewn posted:With the exception of a *decent* ES roll, those gloves are a bit weak. I might look into getting a set of +spelldamage implicit gloves and dropping your raw ES a tad. Remember, that 16% spelldamage is worth 160int. But 160int would be better than 16%SD, all else equal? I get confused with modifiers that end up as (1 + .50 + x) The tree's a bit of a mess, I should've looked for a more current guide. His actually gets more resists off the tree, I'm not sure if it's visible but I still have the +10% allres bandit.
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JawnV6 posted:Any other recommendations for Whiceperer? My cwdt setups are a mess, but I gave up getting the right colors and just spilled to another slot. Atziri's Promise flask and more int/es. Your belt could be upgraded to a crystal belt. You can view my character RubIcyHotOnIt. You can use a culling strike setup in your offhand if you're not using it to level extra gems.
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JawnV6 posted:I was counting on most of those in the top list, especially uber lab, remaining Masters, ID 20 more uniques & Malachi. Encounter II is depending on catching 2 ghosts in the same monster at once, is there some guaranteed way to spawn that? I've been chugging through Mask pieces to hit the Vaal bosses, which only landed 2 new ones after a half dozen runs. For double ghost, this.
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JawnV6 posted:I was counting on most of those in the top list, especially uber lab, remaining Masters, ID 20 more uniques & Malachi. Encounter II is depending on catching 2 ghosts in the same monster at once, is there some guaranteed way to spawn that? I've been chugging through Mask pieces to hit the Vaal bosses, which only landed 2 new ones after a half dozen runs. Shore map. Boss spawns two ghosts during the fight that possess him (just don't kill him too quick).
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JawnV6 posted:Would it be better to get more resists on the amulet? You might be able to split the resists and get 1 on amulet and 1 on belt. I would guess this is why the person who made the build gets a bunch of resist on the tree though. Int + ES + Resist gear is beyond expensive. Also look into jewels for resists, sometimes you can find a good jewel with resists on it for the same cost as a similar one with no resists. And the Shore boss spawns 2 or 3 ghosts, the trick is not killing him too fast so that the ghost can come out and haunt him. Super easy way to get the two ghosts in one mob challenge.
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Awesome! posted:i was brutally purged please shoot me an invite on AwesomeIsOnFire Done
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So on the topic of Ngahamu's meatballin', I realized I had not done that build yet this league and turned what was going to be a BV Pathfinder into a CI Ngahamu's Pathfinder and holy poo poo, this build is a blast. Got to 72 last night and the moment I could equip my Dying Sun the build turned it up 11. Been using a Tabula while I look for decent 800+ ES chests, so ES is a bit low at 5k or so but it is just plowing through stuff. https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Cinara/characters Going to have to dump a bit on a good belt and ring with WED, helm is an easy upgrade also but resists are fine for now so not in a huge hurry, might try for something with high accuracy. Vinktar's would be good also, but it's really just there for the shock aura right? I guess Elemental Focus keeps you from getting ignites so it will do the double flask charge ascendancy bonus also, can't think of any other good way to get that. Gems are a mess right now cause I didn't want to change the colors on stuff I was using on other characters until I was sure I wanted to keep playing the build. Got plenty of currency to blow on stuff this late in the league, just deciding what will work best.
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Does Elemental Focus in your axe add up to more damage than Fire Penetration, like in mine?
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Ciaphas posted:Does Elemental Focus in your axe add up to more damage than Fire Penetration, like in mine? According to Path of Building, Ele Focus beats Fire Pen by a ton. Added Fire is closer, but still better than Fire Pen even on bosses, unless they have bonus fire resist in which case Fire Pen becomes better. Losing out on ignite damage likely makes the gap pretty small, so overall it's hard to say what is the best. Pathfinder has an extra 10% fire pen over other ascendancy classes though, so may not be true for you.
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damnfan posted:Your belt could be upgraded to a crystal belt. If there's a better split like taking a 5 es hit on gloves to pick up resist that makes sense. damnfan posted:You can use a culling strike setup in your offhand if you're not using it to level extra gems. Cinara posted:You might be able to split the resists and get 1 on amulet and 1 on belt. I would guess this is why the person who made the build gets a bunch of resist on the tree though. Int + ES + Resist gear is beyond expensive. Also look into jewels for resists, sometimes you can find a good jewel with resists on it for the same cost as a similar one with no resists.
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Cinara posted:According to Path of Building, Ele Focus beats Fire Pen by a ton. Added Fire is closer, but still better than Fire Pen even on bosses, unless they have bonus fire resist in which case Fire Pen becomes better. Losing out on ignite damage likely makes the gap pretty small, so overall it's hard to say what is the best. Pathfinder has an extra 10% fire pen over other ascendancy classes though, so may not be true for you. How did you get Path of Building to actually update the damage on the moltens when you changed gems? I couldn't figure it out.
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Tell it the gems are socketed in your weapon. If you import your own character it's the easiest.
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Cinara posted:Tell it the gems are socketed in your weapon. If you import your own character it's the easiest. I did exactly that and it refused to update the tooltip no matter how I fiddled with the skills. 
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JawnV6 posted:But 160int would be better than 16%SD, all else equal? I get confused with modifiers that end up as (1 + .50 + x) I'm not sure about the math on that front. My WI guy is following this guide: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1788023 He uses fingerless silk gloves (the +16% spell damage implicit gloves) which happen to include intelligence and resists in their stats, and despite fairly poor ES rolls (t3 flat es and a hybrid roll) he still doesn't lose much ES compared to your sorc gloves. It just struck me as particularly low-hanging fruit. Kytrarewn fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Jan 18, 2017 |
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Ciaphas posted:I did exactly that and it refused to update the tooltip no matter how I fiddled with the skills. Update: damage seems to be improved, but still not enough to not brick a shaper set from too many pools.
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I'm toying around with a stupid vortex conversion idea and I'm wondering what others might think. Basic idea is to take vortex and convert as much as possible to chaos damage, then drop it in a cluster traps setup and use cospri's will to poison with the chaos damage. That's by using vortex with a pyre ring and then a pair of consuming dark daggers. That ends with 60% chaos damage and 40% fire, so I'll get healthy ignites (where possible) alongside the poison stacks from the assloads of traps I'd be vomiting everywhere. And when I run into poison immune poo poo, I can just use a weapon swap and my emberwake/taming combo to stack ignites instead. I would probably end up torn between Occultist (moar curses), Trickster (moar dots) or Saboteur (moar traps). What say ye fellow exiles? Haven't planned out a build yet so I don't have a tree to propose, but it'd pretty standard as far as shadow/witch trappers go, just with a focus on damage over time.
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I don't think Vortex traps will poison with Cospri's because traps don't apply on-hit effects. Also, using a skill with the Trap support gives you a gently caress-off long cooldown as compared to just using Ice Trap. If you're going to go the trap route, use Ice Trap: Higher base damage, faster recovery, and you're not losing a link via Trap support.
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I thought of that, but the biggest reason for using vortex is because of the spell damage modifier on damage over time. If I go Ice Trap, I'm better off just doing fire conversion and leaving it there. You may be right though, the opportunity cost to support the skill properly for that idea is probably too high, considering that it would need, trap, cluster trap, and poison supports, taking up 4 sockets already...
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Why bother trapping in the first place? You can self cast Vortex poison or ignite without any issues. It doesn't hit as hard as something like Flameblast so reflect really is not an issue outside of reflect maps. My self cast vortexer was actually able to do reflect maps as Elementalist if I used the 50% reduction ascendancy.
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I'm just thinking of creative ways to stack lots of poison that maybe haven't been tried. I mean, yeah, I could just go the consensus optimal damage route and just self-cast it, but that's been done a bazillion times and even though I'm sure it's effective, I'm just looking for something new and off-the-wall to try that also stands a chance of being particularly potent. Just a half-baked idea that I was knocking around. These are useful responses, even if it seems like I'm just being obstinate 
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I had a lot of fun with Vortex Grenades (Sunblast belt, two Cheap Construction jewels for traps that detonate when they hit the ground) in Prophecy, but the cooldown for throwing Trap-supported skills is way too long unless you go Saboteur, and Saboteur is the worst ascendancy ever.
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I also forgot about: 2.4.0 Trap's damage modifier no longer affects damage over time. Which pretty much just puts the last nail in the coffin of that idea.
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RIP Poison Bladefall Trap/Mine, you were too OP for this world.
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Sabotuer is probably the worst designed ascendancy after current Ascendant. Half the loving tree is for crap ele damage bonuses and blind. Blind is great and all but much less so for a trapper who mostly avoids direct combat. Chain reaction is awful because sunblast exists and is much better. The mine nodes are worthless unless you're using tremor rod to take advantage of spamming mines, and tremor rod is terrible, so yeah.
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