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Prosperity gospel is just Calvinism taken to its logical extreme. Though I don't think Calvin would agree.
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We're obviously getting completely off topic here, but one of the main tenants of Calvinism is that man is totally depraved and unable to do anything to obtain salvation within their own power. Another tenant is that God alone decides who He will bless and in what fashion. Prosperity Gospel boils down to that people are blessed by God based on their level of faith, and when they aren't blessed it's because they don't believe enough. One puts the blessing into the hands of God and His grace alone. The other puts the burden on the person to build up enough good will to receive the blessing. I honestly cannot see how these two don't contradict each other.
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Jan 17, 2017 22:58
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Also, prosperity gospel stuff emerged from the Southern Baptist and Pentecostal traditions, which are 100% theologically opposed to almost every important tenet of Calvinism. There's no "there" there.
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Jan 17, 2017 23:04
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Calvinism and Prosperity Gospel converge in so far as that they both frequently treat wealth and happiness as divine favour, while poverty is seen a sign that you're not part of faithful. There are legitimate theological differences between the denominations, but both are used by the powerful to justify their superior station in life.
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Jan 17, 2017 23:48
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Samuel Clemens posted:Calvinism and Prosperity Gospel converge in so far as that they both frequently treat wealth and happiness as divine favour, while poverty is seen a sign that you're not part of faithful. There are legitimate theological differences between the denominations, but both are used by the powerful to justify their superior station in life. That is how I have experienced it, I have legit never heard the believe in god harder line of thought.
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Jan 17, 2017 23:55
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Calvinist believe that everything is preordained by an all knowing all powerful God and there is nothing you can do to change anything since you're only following your fate blindly. Prosperity gospel is the idea that God is Santa Clause and if you are good he will give you nice things.
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Jan 18, 2017 00:02
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They converge on a special few blessed by God, who are recognized by their good works/prosperity. Anyvay, Bob Odenkirk is in a new Netflix produced movie that mixes the plot of a rom-com with noir: http://www.indiewire.com/2017/01/girlfriends-day-trailer-bob-odenkirk-netflix-comedy-amber-tamblyn-1201769486/
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Jan 18, 2017 00:08
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Samuel Clemens posted:Calvinism and Prosperity Gospel converge in so far as that they both frequently treat wealth and happiness as divine favour, while poverty is seen a sign that you're not part of faithful. There are legitimate theological differences between the denominations, but both are used by the powerful to justify their superior station in life. Yes, exactly. I said "or" not "and". Both feed into modern Evangelism, despite the two traditions diverging pretty drastically.
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Jan 18, 2017 00:23
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Yes, exactly. I said "or" not "and". Both feed into modern Evangelism, despite the two traditions diverging pretty drastically. Exactly - you could make the same exact case for how American Catholicism slowly morphed from a social justice-oriented faith to another face of 'the silent majority' and vehicle for moral crusaders who might as well be Evangelicals.
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Jan 18, 2017 00:26
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K. Waste posted:Exactly - you could make the same exact case for how American Catholicism slowly morphed from a social justice-oriented faith to another face of 'the silent majority' and vehicle for moral crusaders who might as well be Evangelicals. FreudianSlippers posted:Calvinist believe that everything is preordained by an all knowing all powerful God and there is nothing you can do to change anything since you're only following your fate blindly. "Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God" for example didn't revive Puritanism but did help birth a new evangelical tradition. The religious nationalism of Mormonism and the communitarian nature of AME churches couldn't be more different, yet both also led quite comfortably to megachurches.
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Jan 18, 2017 00:43
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Yes, exactly. I said "or" not "and". Both feed into modern Evangelism, despite the two traditions diverging pretty drastically. I'm sorry for the whole derail, but thanks for clarifying that. I'd argue that Calvinism is a major minority in most mainstream Christianity in America, but I get the point you're making now.
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Jan 18, 2017 06:00
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WB wants to do Attack on Titanquote:Warner Bros. is negotiating to get the feature rights for the Japanese manga IP Attack on Titan, which was written and illustrated by Hajime Isayama and has been churned out for both TV and films in Japan. The project is for its Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them producer David Heyman. http://deadline.com/2017/01/attack-on-titan-u-s-movie-warner-bros-producer-david-heyman-1201888133/
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Jan 18, 2017 06:07
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Can't be worse than the Japanese movie that already came out.
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zandert33 posted:I'm sorry for the whole derail, but thanks for clarifying that. I'd argue that Calvinism is a major minority in most mainstream Christianity in America, but I get the point you're making now. It's really important insofar as where it all began in America, even though you're more likely to meet a Quaker than an avowed Calvinist.
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Jan 18, 2017 06:19
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zandert33 posted:I know it's your thing to do the whole death of the author thing, but I'd like some proof from the film that shows God as evil. Gibson does hate God at one point, but then clearly has a change of heart at the end. I also find it hard to believe that Gibson would view the movie (or play his character) in this way when he believes the complete opposite in his personal life. Who cares about Gibson? The point is in Shyamalan's misunderstood cameo. The creator (instigator) of the narrative has a dual nature: God is the truck that destroyed Gibson's wife, and God is the impotent, suffering brown dude. In Lacanian terms, we're talking about The Other (God) versus The Other Of The Other (the figure central to so many conspiracy theories - including alien abduction and satanic abuse theories).
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Jan 18, 2017 06:43
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zandert33 posted:Can't be worse than the Japanese movie that already came out. I tried to watch that one twice on flights to and from Japan and fell asleep both times. And I almost never sleep on planes!
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Jan 18, 2017 07:42
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Attack on Titan is gross and I don't like the idea of movies about people being eaten whole.
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Jan 18, 2017 07:57
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The amount of bizarre hoops AoT has to jump through to make its setting are astonishing
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Jan 18, 2017 10:48
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:The amount of bizarre hoops AoT has to jump through to make its setting are astonishing That's a trend I see with a lot of anime and it just gets tedious.
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Jan 18, 2017 10:50
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Tars Tarkas posted:WB wants to do Attack on Titan Guillermo del Toro has to direct this.
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Jan 18, 2017 11:21
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I hope they remember that Mikasa is Asian.
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Jan 18, 2017 11:27
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Half asian! Her dad is European.
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Jan 18, 2017 11:31
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That sounds like a movie I'd see with friends as an excuse to talk poo poo in a mcdonald's car park afterwards. gotta fly around and cut up some BIG DUDES
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well why not posted:That sounds like a movie I'd see with friends as an excuse to talk poo poo in a mcdonald's car park afterwards. The game adaptation is apparently pretty good.
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Don't worry, white men still can't jump, but expect some Trump supporters to get angry anyway...quote:“Black-ish” creator Kenya Barris will develop a movie remake of the 1990s sports comedy “White Men Can’t Jump,” which will be produced by Los Angeles Clippers star Blake Griffin and Carolina Panthers All-Pro lineman Ryan Kalil. http://www.thewrap.com/black-ish-creator-blake-griffin-remake-white-men-cant-jump/ Also I hope this influences a whole series of random films bankrolled by athletic stars, because they will be terrible more often than not and you know some of them will be ridiculous vanity projects. The MSJ posted:I hope they remember that Mikasa is Asian. I'm awaiting the most awful hot takes about whitewashing in that film written by people who didn't even bother to do a basic google search.
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Jan 18, 2017 12:46
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The concept of AoT is pretty sweet in terms of sheer 'holy gently caress!' but the anime suffers from being massively stereotypical with its characters and the whiny emo protagonist. That and insane amounts of filler in comparison to action. I watched it because it was hyped to gently caress by anime nerds so I gave it a chance. I watched the entire series of 25 episodes and I swear the recap clips on the front of the later episodes are 5+ minutes. There's maybe 25 minutes of action in the entire series. So there's a chance for greatness but I doubt it'll happen, giants kicking the gently caress out of enormous walls and rampaging through a city eating people is pretty intense.
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Jan 18, 2017 12:52
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At the nadir of the anime they spend an entire episode(?) in a cloud of smoke that lasts about 30 seconds. The amount of material they adapted was painfully not suited to 26. Eren's emasculation complex is great tho.
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I could see Aubrey Plaza in the Rosie Perez role. I can already see them going there with it.
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CelticPredator posted:Attack on Titan is gross and I don't like the idea of movies about people being eaten whole. quote:I Think My GM Wants to Eat Me
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Olympic Mathlete posted:The concept of AoT is pretty sweet in terms of sheer 'holy gently caress!' but the anime suffers from being massively stereotypical with its characters and the whiny emo protagonist. That and insane amounts of filler in comparison to action. I watched it because it was hyped to gently caress by anime nerds so I gave it a chance. I watched the entire series of 25 episodes and I swear the recap clips on the front of the later episodes are 5+ minutes. There's maybe 25 minutes of action in the entire series. There's a reason why every piece of advertising and game focuses on the attack on the city that happens at the very start of the series
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Jan 18, 2017 16:58
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So is AoT breeding a whole generation of vore kids?
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That anime adaptation was really disappointing but also never stood a chance of being good. The comic had enough material for maybe 12 episodes but they went and made 25 off of what they had. It turned a fairly fast paced comic in which characters realize things at the same time as the audience into a boring, stretched out mess where everyone needed things constantly explained to them so they could fill time. If they'd waited a few years (the comic only comes out once a month) it'd have had a much better chance of being good.
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Jan 18, 2017 18:30
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It's kinda weird to me no American media company has tried the same thing they do with manga / anime, put out a television show that's a straight up adaptation of an ongoing monthly comic.
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Jan 18, 2017 18:36
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Walking Dead, also you could argue Game of Thrones is essentially the same thing.
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Jan 18, 2017 18:40
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I thought those differed significantly from source material, at least in walking deads case.
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Jan 18, 2017 18:50
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Yeah, Walking Dead is probably the closest and it's not quite there. You don't really see 1:1 comic to TV adaptations.
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Jan 18, 2017 19:03
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I don't think you'd find a 1:1 manga to anime adaptation either, at least not of an ongoing series.
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TTBF posted:I don't think you'd find a 1:1 manga to anime adaptation either, at least not of an ongoing series. Well, I mean more in the sense that no major plot details are changed. Like, if you compare the Walking Dead comic to the show, the broad strokes are the same but a lot of the specifics of events are different between the two. Not to mention stuff like Rick still having both of his arms in the show. Meanwhile, the One Piece anime (for example) adds filler and stretches out scenes, but is largely a very faithful adaptation of the One Piece manga. Stuff typically happens in both in the same way.
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Jan 18, 2017 19:15
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Is it probably because american tv followed the series format until recently? it seem more based on a conceit, than a story? You don't new products if the same one works for a decade?
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Meanwhile, the One Piece anime (for example) adds filler and stretches out scenes, but is largely a very faithful adaptation of the One Piece manga. Stuff typically happens in both in the same way. So much loving filler, I played and beat the video game and liked the characters so I tried to watch the anime, it's like four episodes to get through what was the tutorial level in the game.
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