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Albert Pyun made an awesome cyberpunk movie called Nemesis that I've talked about a lot in other threads. However, he also made some awful sequels to it, the last of which is a horrendously weird and awful Ghost in the Shell wannabe titled Nemesis IV: Cry of Angels that some here might enjoy as a bizarre, ultra low budget live action riff on the Ghost in the Shell movie that has so much gratuitous nudity it makes any other Ghost in the Shell adaptation seem tame. The entire movie is on YouTube. Some theaters are still doing limited screenings of the 1995 film if anyone here hasn't seen it, that'd be a great way to.
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Funimation is putting the 1995 movie back out on the 7th and 8th of February. One night subs and one night dubs. http://www.funimationfilms.com/movie/ghostintheshell/
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Jan 16, 2017 18:42
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USA only, I think. If you're like me and in Canada-- and in a big city-- check your little local theatres. The Rio in Vancouver screened it last year and I imagine they'll do it again leading up to the new movie's release.
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Jan 16, 2017 20:10
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Neo Rasa posted:Albert Pyun made an awesome cyberpunk movie called Nemesis that I've talked about a lot in other threads. However, he also made some awful sequels to it, the last of which is a horrendously weird and awful Ghost in the Shell wannabe titled Nemesis IV: Cry of Angels that some here might enjoy as a bizarre, ultra low budget live action riff on the Ghost in the Shell movie that has so much gratuitous nudity it makes any other Ghost in the Shell adaptation seem tame. The entire movie is on YouTube. I've gotta catch this. I love Pyun and Nemesis.
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Jan 16, 2017 20:24
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I tried to watch Nemesis but like the first 40 minutes are just them walking around this burning brick building and it takes forever.
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Jan 17, 2017 05:04
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My personal gripe with what the trailers have shown so far is how the Major carries herself and particularly how she speaks. In the manga and in the movie, both english and japanese, she is a strong person, with a very self-confident sense of humor, who enjoys her work and does it with economy, which is reflected in both her movements and the way she talks in a curt and clear manner. When she's not messing with people, she's either talking in command voice, or at least in a no-nonsense voice. Meanwhile the trailer takes the time to linger on her face being shaky while on top of the building, has her being whispery, has her not using the network for work comms, has none of the joking around with batou before the jump, doesn't even bother to show her smile of enjoyment of that jump, and proceeds to have her be even more whispery, emo and insecure in scenes later on in the movie. It seems like nobody else i know has picked up on that aspect yet. Am i just seeing things? Or are they building her character on some other GITS continuity i am not recalling where she's weak?
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Jan 17, 2017 16:20
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Why are you acting surprised that this movie is going to be bad?
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Jan 17, 2017 16:39
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I'm not particularly surprised, just doubting myself a little on the observations above. I've seen literally nobody else talk about all the little details in how Johansson behaves differently from the Major other than vague "her acting bad lol" or "she's too stiff!". (I think she's not nearly stiff enough.)
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Jan 17, 2017 16:54
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I think everyone has been chalking it up to Scarjo being bad at her job. It's just one more condiment on a poo poo sandwich.
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Jan 17, 2017 20:05
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In the original movie, the Major is very robotic. She doesn't emote much and she doesn't even blink. That did a lot for selling her as a barely human cyborg in an anime, but it doesn't leave much for an actress to create an interesting performance.
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Jan 18, 2017 02:17
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This movie is going to be bad because it's not like my cartoons.
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Jan 18, 2017 03:53
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Rough Lobster posted:In the original movie, the Major is very robotic. She doesn't emote much and she doesn't even blink. That did a lot for selling her as a barely human cyborg in an anime, but it doesn't leave much for an actress to create an interesting performance. Yeah, it'd take some kind of experienced master thespian to craft such a rendition.
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UmOk posted:This movie is going to be bad because it's not like my cartoons. It is like the cartoon, just not my cartoon
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Jan 18, 2017 03:56
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SPOILER: The 2017 film will be different from the 1995 film. Images that look similar are actually completely recontextualized. One is live action with CG embellishments, and the other is a cel-animated cartoon.
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Jan 18, 2017 09:00
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Rough Lobster posted:In the original movie, the Major is very robotic. She doesn't emote much and she doesn't even blink. That did a lot for selling her as a barely human cyborg in an anime, but it doesn't leave much for an actress to create an interesting performance. There's more to acting than how you move. How you talk is also extemely important. And while the original Major moved peculiarly, she made up for it with wit and character in voice. Jo is both moving too humanly, and not talking humanly enough. (Altho it seems they're also dropping perfect opportunities for acting, e.g. the smile during the jump, on the floor for no discernible reason.)
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Jan 18, 2017 11:53
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Mithaldu posted:There's more to acting than how you move. How you talk is also extemely important. And while the original Major moved peculiarly, she made up for it with wit and character in voice. Jo is both moving too humanly, and not talking humanly enough. (Altho it seems they're also dropping perfect opportunities for acting, e.g. the smile during the jump, on the floor for no discernible reason.) Discernible...from the trailer?
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Jan 18, 2017 19:11
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DeimosRising posted:Discernible...from the trailer? This. Case in point: all the dialogue and scenes in the Rogue One trailers that either didn't appear or was completely changed in the actual movie. Not to mention, we've only seen the very first trailer.
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Jan 19, 2017 03:11
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Rough Lobster posted:This. Case in point: all the dialogue and scenes in the Rogue One trailers that either didn't appear or was completely changed in the actual movie. Not to mention, we've only seen the very first trailer. a goon smashed up all of the 3 second teaser clips last year and put music from the 1995 movie in it and then got an invite to some PR event the director isn't nearly that clever.
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Jan 19, 2017 04:18
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Mithaldu posted:It seems like nobody else i know has picked up on that aspect yet. Am i just seeing things? Or are they building her character on some other GITS continuity i am not recalling where she's weak? I guess that kinda may be why I don't have high hopes from the trailer?
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Jan 19, 2017 04:28
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A strong, confident, funny and above all competent female character would have hurt the box office. Now let's all watch two shy nonthreatening whispery lesbians kiss.
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Jan 19, 2017 05:45
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MariusLecter posted:A strong, confident, funny and above all competent female character would have hurt the box office. When the bisexual woman protagonist dating the black woman must also be slightly smug in order for your consumption of this blockbuster to be 'ethical', that's when your identity politics have fully crossed the line into fetishism.
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Jan 19, 2017 06:05
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:When the bisexual woman protagonist dating the black woman must also be slightly smug in order for your consumption of this blockbuster to be 'ethical', that's when your identity politics have fully crossed the line into fetishism. Except that's not what he said at all. Highly advanced chatbot etc etc, I get it, but unless you're deliberately being reductive, I'm not sure how you got "slightly smug" out of "strong, confident, funny and above all competent." (Granted, it is dumb to assume that the character will be handled poorly based on a trailer, but still.)
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Jan 19, 2017 06:15
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That's what he's saying, though - this "strong, confident, funny and above all competent" figure is a projection. It's an ascription of value to histrionics, overt displays that sutures the spectator within a 'relatable' emotional framework. It's akin to when folks used to grouse that Clark Kent doesn't care enough in Man of Steel/Beavis - a tacit expression in favor of excessive pride in action spectacle divorced from context. Like, clearly Major is still both strong and competent, at least as far as what the trailers display. So leaving all that aside, we can focus on her sense of humor (quips) and her confidence/pride (what SMG derides as smugness, in the performance of reactionary political violence). Why does Major need either of these traits, and why is their absence somehow indicative of 'selling out,' that the filmmakers did it so as not to offend the conservative box office? Is there any basis for saying that humorless and insecure heroine is actually a Hollywood stereotype? Or is it more accurate to say that "strong, confident, funny, competent" Major has been serialized and capitalized upon far more extensively, and is contemporaneous with international action figures embodying the same reactionary political roles, histrionics be damned? The derisive post already makes zero sense, so all that's left is to un-package what we're really talking about, which is whether or not Major, in any manifestation, could satiate the perversions of consumer fanatics - whether characterization actually matters at all, or if fans are instead seeking a confirmation of prejudice.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I'm not sure how you got "slightly smug" out of "strong, confident, funny and above all competent." It's when a 'strong female character' is defined as "bothering to show her smile of enjoyment" when she kills people instead of being "emo and insecure" when she kills people. Strong female characterization has nothing to do with literal strength or 'strength of will', or how effective she is at killing in a genre movie. It has nothing to do with being a role model. It refers to the strength of the writing - and the costume design, acting, cinematography... all the things that contribute to characterization. Moreover, it refers to your ability to read these formal qualities of the film in order to understand the character. A well-written female character with 'insecurity' as a character trait is still a strong character. Mithaldu and MariusLecter are taking the opposite approach and demanding a hyperspecific vision of acceptable femininity, so that even the way the actress walks is 'too stereotypical'. This ironically objectifies Johannsen by declaring her entire performance the work of men. She's dismissed as a sex object, a fake woman with no motivations of her own, because 'real women' show their smile of enjoyment, wear the right clothes, and kiss the right people....
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It's when a 'strong female character' is defined as "bothering to show her smile of enjoyment" when she kills people instead of being "emo and insecure" when she kills people. But the person you're responding to never defined it as that, unless I missed something. The specific complaint is that insecurity is at odds with the Major's character in other GitS works; her characterization in the original works is stoic and consummately professional, not smug or showing any kind of "smile of enjoyment." Smugness would be every bit as foreign and jarring as insecurity. WeedlordGoku69 fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Jan 19, 2017 |
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:But the person you're responding to never defined it as that, unless I missed something. The specific complaint is that insecurity is at odds with the Major's character in other GitS works; her characterization in the original works is stoic and consummately professional, not smug or showing any kind of "smile of enjoyment." Smugness would be every bit as foreign and jarring as insecurity. The protest for a James Cameron's Ripley liberal-feminist icon is directly linked to the NOT MY KUSUNAGI complaint about deviation from an 'authentic source material'.
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It's a silly complaint anyway because even in Stand Alone Complex (which was a pretty bad show) where Major was basically Robot Chick David Caruso 90% of the time, she actually did have doubts and worries about whether she was still a person and who she was before she got robotted and etc., they just had 24 episodes to string it out with. (IIRC there's an episode where she rescues some Chinese kid from the Triads or something and during a quiet moment where he's talking about how it must be great to be her &c. she gives him an idea how hosed up she is). This movie has to squeeze a character arc into two and a half hours.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The protest for a James Cameron's Ripley liberal-feminist icon is directly linked to the NOT MY KUSUNAGI complaint about deviation from an 'authentic source material'. ...okay?
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It's when a 'strong female character' is defined PS: Also loving lol at the declaration of the character of the Major in the original works being a "vision". Some friends i have would be happy to know they could only be fictional. Rough Lobster posted:This. Case in point: all the dialogue and scenes in the Rogue One trailers that either didn't appear or was completely changed in the actual movie. Not to mention, we've only seen the very first trailer. Mithaldu fucked around with this message at 11:02 on Jan 19, 2017 |
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Mithaldu posted:You're conflating strength of will and strength of writing, and ascribing comments on one to me as comments on another. That's not what 'conflating' means. And your desire for the character to be your friend is precisely the issue.
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We can go with confusing, if that makes you happier. Either way, you're loving things up and putting words in people's mouths. And additionally you're now putting motivations on me that are completely unrelated to reality. Gotta admit, at least you put effort into your shitposting. vvvv Mithaldu fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Jan 19, 2017 |
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WENTZ WAGON NUI posted:It's a silly complaint anyway because even in Stand Alone Complex (which was a pretty bad show) where Major was basically Robot Chick David Caruso 90% of the time, she actually did have doubts and worries about whether she was still a person and who she was before she got robotted and etc., they just had 24 episodes to string it out with... This movie has to squeeze a character arc into two and a half hours. It's even simpler than that: Implying that Major kissing a virtually anemic, shorn-hair woman of color is a reactionary compromise when contrasted with a voluptuous cartoon character who is persistently and consciously objectified is inane. This is nowhere even close to a critical feminist assertion - it is merely an arbitrary expression of displeasure towards a (female) character not conforming to a particular mode of performance, which co-opts progressive memes to imply there is some 'deeper,' ethical consumption at work. There is no ethical consumption. The relationship of fans to Major was always perverse, and the live action adaptation has merely brought this perversion to the surface. You get no points for criticizing a trailer for reminding you that sexism, anti-queer bigotry, and racism are things that you should feel guilty about. We all have to feel guilty, forever.
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K. Waste posted:We all have to feel guilty, forever. If you say so.
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Mogomra posted:If you say so. In fact, CD regulars saying something makes it less likely to be so.
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K. Waste posted:It's even simpler than that: Implying that Major kissing a virtually anemic, shorn-hair woman of color is a reactionary compromise when contrasted with a voluptuous cartoon character who is persistently and consciously objectified is inane. This is nowhere even close to a critical feminist assertion - it is merely an arbitrary expression of displeasure towards a (female) character not conforming to a particular mode of performance, which co-opts progressive memes to imply there is some 'deeper,' ethical consumption at work. And this is inextricably linked to the demand for 'likeable characters', the unironic deployment of middleschool clique designations (this fake Kusunagi is not my friend, because she's an emo). Things wrap back around to the worst essentialism: the assertion is that women just naturally 'are' strong, funny, confident, Ripley, stoic, funny, liberal... and the only reason they aren't Ripley is because of the dastardly patriarchy holding them back. Hence the fantasy of the original comic's purity, to which this new film must be held up as a degenerate copy. Nothing was ever natural. Mind - identity - can only emerge from a network of social relations and material supplements. Ripley is a hero of late capitalism. That's what Ghost In The Shell is about.
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Wow, you really like reusing this "highschool" accusation.
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Mithaldu posted:Wow, you really like reusing this "highschool" accusation. SMG is an advanced chatbot, designed to write truthfully and accurately about neo-Marxism and postmodern relativism. Just let it do its thing.
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A Major that listens to [e: a bad cover of] eee: I'm more of a Duran Duran guy honestly Harime Nui fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Jan 19, 2017 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:And this is inextricably linked to the demand for 'likeable characters', the unironic deployment of middleschool clique designations (this fake Kusunagi is not my friend, because she's an emo). When you say that Ripley is a hero of late capitalism, what do you mean? On the one hand, I'd agree in the sense that she takes an ethical stance against the crappiness of that system and then dies for it. On the other, you seem to be criticizing people who appreciated 1995 Kusanagi's character traits, and presumably appreciated the same traits in Ripley. I'm confused.
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Ersatz posted:I thought that Ripley was a space trucker who called out her evil corporate employers for being possibly worse than the rape monsters who keep murdering everyone she cares about. I'm specifically referring to James Cameron's film Aliens, where the threat is understood not as capitalism but merely conservatism, and Ripley is fighting for corporations to become 'more progressive'. I wrote about it in more detail over in the Alien thread: "Aliens is a rather-good film about a woman who fights to protect the Weyland-Yutani corporation from unfashionably greedy employees, stodgy bureaucracy, and alien attack 'from outside'. Of course this is not her explicit motivation. Ripley simply wants a higher-paying and more prestigious job within the corporation, and to raise a family. But the unavoidable conclusion is that, for all her dreams to come true, Weyland-Yutani must be kept intact."
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