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Star Wars has always been pretty nebulous on the scale of the empire, at least in the main movies and shows. It's a weird contradictory galaxy that's got huge megaprojects and ridiculous city spanning cities but also one where a single battle is hugely significant, and the biggest battles seen (Coruscant) are only a few hundred cap ships, a few million troops is enough to defend the entire republic and that a random backwards planet pulled out of a hat is instantly recognised by everyone. It's about the size of earth, just spread out more. That's OK though. It puts it on a relatable scale. If it bothers you that this enormous force can actually be injured by a handful, just headcanon that like, most of the galaxy is inaccessible to the hyperlanes or something, and it's smaller than you'd think.
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it was one of the reasons I always loved the intro to TIE Fighter. The gathering of the fleets shows just how loving many Star Destroyers there are, although still only 1 SSD but I imagine those things are like Death Stars, you make 1 each time. That and even when they show the flotilla that Legends Thrawn was in charge of the sheer number of T/Fs, T/Bs, T/Is, and even gunboats is enough to make any Rebel cell poo poo itself
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Jan 22, 2017 06:57
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Actually according to the new canon, IIRC, there were about 12-15 SSD produced, with one of the last ones left going down over Jakku. Like Tagge says in the Vader comic though, imagine how many SSDs could've been built with the resources put into the Death Star?
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Jan 22, 2017 07:36
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Actually according to the new canon, IIRC, there were about 12-15 SSD produced, with one of the last ones left going down over Jakku. If the Death Star was ever what it was supposed to be though, however many SSDs would have been pointless. It's a weapon that can destroy entire planets before you can mount any kind of defense against it, and will kill a capital ship of any size or strength. It really was the fictional equivalent of a nuke, collateral damage and all.
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Jan 22, 2017 08:07
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Actually according to the new canon, IIRC, there were about 12-15 SSD produced, with one of the last ones left going down over Jakku. Not to mention 3 million plus personnel on all those SSD's.
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Jan 22, 2017 09:57
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Rocksicles posted:Not to mention 3 million plus personnel on all those SSD's. If the WEG Death Star Guide is anything to go by the Death Star had an absurd amount of personnel on it too however. (Also the SSD looks cool as hell and is up there with the Enterprise 1701 Refit as best looking cap ship.) Vvv. Cept the DS 1 killed how many people and life forms? Billions and way more than billions? Vvvv Captain Rufus fucked around with this message at 11:50 on Jan 22, 2017 |
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Jan 22, 2017 10:49
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The internet tells me that Death Star I had between 1,186,295–1,206,293 total personnel (mission dependent), 342,953 of which were Imperial Navy and Army, and 25,984 of which were Stormtroopers. The rest were....???? And that Death Star II had 637,835 total personnel, but doesn't specify how that was broken down.
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Jan 22, 2017 10:57
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So that means Luke murdered over a million people, and Lando and Nien Nunb murdered over 600,000.
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Jan 22, 2017 11:01
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I have to admit I teared up a little during Sabine's rant/swordfight at the end. On the one hand my brain goes "wow, that's a really clumsy exposition dump that probably should have been parcelled out more carefully over the last few seasons", on the other hand something about the combination of the music, the shot compositions and Tiya Sircar's voicework just got me emotional. Or maybe I'm just happy that the worst character in the crew finally becomes interesting.
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Jan 22, 2017 11:54
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Talk about putting all your eggs in heavily armed baskets.
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Jan 22, 2017 12:00
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Dave Syndrome posted:I have to admit I teared up a little during Sabine's rant/swordfight at the end. They couldn't have done that exposition earlier because the last couple seasons were All Ezra,All the Time. For some reason. And also, the worst character is actually Ezra. For the reason I gave above.
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Jan 22, 2017 12:02
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However, I think we can all agree that Chopper is the best character
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Jan 22, 2017 12:28
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Chopper's purring !
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Jan 22, 2017 12:32
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VolticSurge posted:They couldn't have done that exposition earlier because the last couple seasons were All Ezra,All the Time. For some reason. Rebels would be better if season 1 and 2 were not all about Ezra and more time was given to the entire ghost crew, like season 3.
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Jan 22, 2017 15:19
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Dave Syndrome posted:I have to admit I teared up a little during Sabine's rant/swordfight at the end. Yeah, the delivery/music were both amazing, even if the exposition was a little heavy-handed. Wanna listen to that music.
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Jan 22, 2017 15:51
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Bits of it sounded like Conan the Barbarian to me.
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Jan 22, 2017 15:58
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Chickenwalker posted:If the Death Star was ever what it was supposed to be though, however many SSDs would have been pointless. It's a weapon that can destroy entire planets before you can mount any kind of defense against it, and will kill a capital ship of any size or strength. It really was the fictional equivalent of a nuke, collateral damage and all. Yeah the Death Star is mythic, god-like power, it's the angry eye of the eternal Emperor. Militarily a SSD over every populated planet would probably be more effective but that's not what Palpatine wanted.
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Jan 22, 2017 17:09
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Bits of it sounded like Conan the Barbarian to me. "No-one in this galaxy can you trust, little Mandalorian. Not men, not women, not droids. But this... this you can trust"
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Jan 22, 2017 18:05
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Gonz posted:The internet tells me that Death Star I had between 1,186,295–1,206,293 total personnel (mission dependent), 342,953 of which were Imperial Navy and Army, and 25,984 of which were Stormtroopers. The rest were....???? Gonz posted:So that means Luke murdered over a million people, and Lando and Nien Nunb murdered over 600,000. Well Lando and Nien Nunb murdered way less then that. Unlike Death Star I, there was a good deal of warning that the second was going to blow up and they started evacuating once the shield went down.
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Jan 22, 2017 19:07
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MonsterEnvy posted:Well Lando and Nien Nunb murdered way less then that. Unlike Death Star I, there was a good deal of warning that the second was going to blow up and they started evacuating once the shield went down. Going by a couple pages in the Shattered Empire Comic, the Rebels might've decided on the ice cold decision to shoot down any evacuating ships from the Death Star to make sure the Emperor didn't escape.  (that is Poe Dameron's mom, btw)
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Jan 22, 2017 20:18
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Are season 1 and 2 available for streaming anywhere?
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Jan 23, 2017 00:47
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Actually according to the new canon, IIRC, there were about 12-15 SSD produced, with one of the last ones left going down over Jakku. Who gives a poo poo and what are you basing this off of?
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Jan 23, 2017 01:02
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Shbobdb posted:Who gives a poo poo and what are you basing this off of? He says "the new canon" in his post. And ALL OF STAR WARS can be summerized by "who gives a poo poo?"
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Jan 23, 2017 01:15
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enraged_camel posted:Are season 1 and 2 available for streaming anywhere? A few European netflix regions but not really anywhere else online other than disneyxd which requires a cable sub anyway.
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Jan 23, 2017 01:17
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MrJacobs posted:He says "the new canon" in his post. And ALL OF STAR WARS can be summerized by "who gives a poo poo?" I mean, I agree with the latter but people seem to care a lot about this poo poo and seem to think I should care beyond fun Star Wars. According to New Canon Luke Skywalker has a 20 centimeter penis!
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Jan 23, 2017 01:33
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If you don't care then why are you even asking me "What are you basing this off of?" lol Some of us like talking this poo poo 
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Jan 23, 2017 01:43
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Galaga Galaxian posted:If you don't care then why are you even asking me "What are you basing this off of?" lol What are you basing it off of? Because to me, your statement and my statement read the same.
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Jan 23, 2017 01:45
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Oh my god,gently caress off. You've pulled this poo poo before. It's getting old.
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Jan 23, 2017 01:46
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Well, if you want a Sacred OT On-Screen Only source, Han says "There are a lot of command ships" in reference to the Executor. Other than that, I can't be arsed to cite all my references.
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Jan 23, 2017 01:50
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Great drat episode, easily the best in S3 and probably top 5 in the series, Tiya Sircar can just kill it if they give her the opportunity to. Really looking forward to the rest of the season.
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Jan 23, 2017 02:09
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Well, if you want a Sacred OT On-Screen Only source, Han says "There are a lot of command ships" in reference to the Executor. Other than that, I can't be arsed to cite all my references. I'm sorry for asking "Where is this from" since clearly that is triggering for you.
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Jan 23, 2017 02:10
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Avatar text checks out.
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TARDISman posted:Great drat episode, easily the best in S3 and probably top 5 in the series, Tiya Sircar can just kill it if they give her the opportunity to. Really looking forward to the rest of the season. What would the other 4 in your list be? Just curious.
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Jan 23, 2017 02:12
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VolticSurge posted:Oh my god,gently caress off. You've pulled this poo poo before. It's getting old. I'm sorry you somehow thing this poo poo is both real and that everyone does and ought know all the details.
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Jan 23, 2017 02:18
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Yep, people definitely think this is real and aren't just talking about a fictional universe and the consequences of various actions on the actors within that universe. People are actually convinced it's real. You got us, boy are we foolish.
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Jan 23, 2017 04:18
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If it wasn't real why would Lucas say it happened a long time ago? Was that just a cruel joke?
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Jan 23, 2017 04:32
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Second use of the ignore function since 2005! I hate to say it but I might actually be starting to like Kanan since he was blinded. Something about him always rubbed me the wrong way, I also read the Kanan comic miniseries and "A New Dawn" post season one so that may have something to do with the change in opinion. I've enjoyed the progress he'd made from not even being a Jedi Knight when Depa Billaba was killed, to now where he's arguably closer to a state of being at peace with it all and his place within it.....even with his recent insecurities over his newfound responsibility for Sabine. He has to die before it's all over though!
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Jan 23, 2017 05:01
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Not until Obi Wan teaches him about force ghosting.
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Jan 23, 2017 05:12
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Gelf posted:Second use of the ignore function since 2005! I think Kanan is intended to be mostly unlikable. He's a Jedi who got thrust into the position of pseudo-Master without any of the proper training. He's trying to stick to the "old ways" of Jedi training while being forced to learn that those ways are really no more.
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A bit late to the party, but man was this exactly the episode that I've been waiting for. I've always thought that it would be an interesting subversion of the master/padawan trope to have one side not be a Jedi, and though this episode took the exact opposite approach (instead of training a non-Jedi, I loved the idea of an uneducated Jedi having to crib their training from other sources in the galaxy), it still worked wonderfully. I'm not quite sure why exactly, but Kanan's frustration came off much better with training Sabine than his entire arc so far with Ezra for me, even despite being so densely packed into just one episode rather than a seasons-long progression. Like yeah, that exposition dump was pretty clumsy on paper, but the performance still sold the hell out of it, and considering the fact that we're well into season 3 by this point without her having any real development as a character, I can easily buy into the idea of her just quietly bottling it up and then exploding all at once from the pressure.
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