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Subjunctive posted:I'm saying "don't present that as though he wrote it, because it's misleading". Yes I can certainly see how the wrong impression about the man is being formed by not clearly stating that he was only the editor for that particular piece of poo poo. Totally different picture of the guy when you point that out, yup
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Subjunctive posted:I had a good run. No, you didn't.
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I'm not worried about Spencer's reputation. I think deception is to be avoided where possible. I don't like to be misled. I don't think it's helpful or necessary in this case.
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I am having flashbacks from the feminism thread.
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Subjunctive posted:I think deception is to be avoided where possible. I don't like to be misled. I don't think it's helpful or necessary in this case. What with the raging debate over "fake news" and all, this seems like a reasonable position to take.
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infernal machines posted:What with the raging debate over "fake news" and all, this seems like a reasonable position to take. Careful now.
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The question in this here thread is being asked, "is it ok to punch a literal nazi in the face" I should ask my grandma's brothers if it's ok. They got really good at it between 1940-1945, killing the nazi swine who occupied their country and sent their father to a concentration camp. I am of the opinion that all nazis should be punched, all the time. If you disagree with my opinion, well that's your right. But you're also wrong.
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Subjunctive posted:Careful now. Appropriate avatar
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This will surely work https://twitter.com/davidvalentin/status/823346217333694466
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spicy spicy CanPol tonight. I'm glad Nazis can get us this worked up. Gives me some warm and fuzzies in this cold dark universe.
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brucio posted:This will surely work FFS. Can this country ever stop trying to be a weak sauce knock off of the United States?
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brucio posted:This will surely work "We tried splicing the Clinton and Trump campaigns"
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infernal machines posted:FFS. Can this country ever stop trying to be a weak sauce knock off of the United States? Nope. But if you engage the relativism scope (relativmoscope?), that's actually a pretty good place to be. Relatively. Watch the tsunami come in from the hillside.
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Subjunctive posted:Careful now. Down with this sort of thing. E: f,b.
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Yesterday the biggest protest for women's rights happened in 700 cities all over the world. The turnout was the largest for a protest in US history. In the US, there were no arrests. NONE. It was exactly the peaceful mass demonstration you loving liberals want. Today the US Congress put forth a bill To provide that human life shall be deemed to begin with fertilization. Basically a rework of a failed bill that would give full personhood to embryos. That means it overturns Americans' right to safe and legal abortions. Back into back alleys. Back to coat hangers and sepsis. Back to teenagers being forced to carry babies they don't want to term to live lives they would never have chosen given the loving choice. Women and children will see their quality of life severely lowered if they don't literally die if this bill passes. Less than 24 hours after this colossal, entirely peaceful demonstration. So, actually  if you think that being peaceful is all it's going to take to maintain rights in this new age. Sometimes you have to fight and to fight you need more than words.
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So what are you doing to make that happen other than posting here?
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see this wouldn't have happened if only people would sit down and start a dialogue with working class salt of the earth heartlander white trash
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It should be legal and encouraged to advocate for violence against actual nazis
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Liberals stun Canada by the swift passing of the "talk poo poo get hit" bill.
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infernal machines posted:I know you're a hardcore literalist, but you realize he was attacked because he's a known fascist white nationalist advocate and not because he was explaining the Pepe meme. He was attacked for words and deeds not uttered or committed at the time of the attack*. The effect has been a lot of hand wringing and his personal admission that he no longer feels safe making public appearances to spread his message, which in theory was the point. Yeah you're right, this guy's awful, definitely a white supremacist at the very least. I'd never heard of him before. I still don't think you should use violence to silence people but it should obviously be allowed to advocate violence against people who advocate violence wherever advocating violence is constitutional. Progressives. Progress. Baby steps. Don't punch white supremacists, black supremacists, any race supremacists, gender supremacists, sexuality supremacists or religious supremacists, it doesn't accomplish anything. What if some gay guy had suckerpunched punched Obama in 2009 for not supporting gay marriage? Would Obama have finally started supporting it in 2012? I wonder what Trump will soften on by the start of his second term.
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peter banana posted:Yesterday the biggest protest for women's rights happened in 700 cities all over the world. The turnout was the largest for a protest in US history. This is completely incoherent. Are you trying to argue that punching Richard Spencer in the face gets us closer to 'maintain[ing] rights in this new age' than the Women's March did? Did you think it was a reasonable expectation that the Women's March would prevent the Republican Congress, Senate, and White House from proposing a huge chunk of awful legislation immediately after taking power?
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peter banana posted:Yesterday the biggest protest for women's rights happened in 700 cities all over the world. The turnout was the largest for a protest in US history. Well...
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She was talking about the women's protests, not the inauguration protests. I didn't know republicans worked on Sundays though, figured they'd be in church or something.
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peter banana posted:Yesterday the biggest protest for women's rights happened in 700 cities all over the world. The turnout was the largest for a protest in US history. I got it, Trump isn't Hitler, he's Duplessis. Get ready for the American Great Darkness.
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peter banana posted:In the US, there were no arrests. NONE. It was exactly the peaceful mass demonstration you loving liberals want. Edit: Holy poo poo you specified "In the US" because there's gonna be an arrest in Canada, you fake news you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvnH9YiViAc&t=3m20s While we might have been undecided on nazi punching, I think we'll all agree that a rebel media reporter lady probably deserved it.
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Edit: Holy poo poo you specified "In the US" because there's gonna be an arrest in Canada, you fake news you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvnH9YiViAc&t=3m20s The Rebel is not media. Shut up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-vek4Sx8wM This is the man you're choosing to defend.
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OSI bean dip posted:The Rebel is not media. Shut up. Ezra Levant is better than the progressive guy who punched a woman at the women's rights march.
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Ezra Levant is better than the progressive guy who punched a woman at the women's rights march. Yes. Let's defend the man who made remarks about Roma persons in a similar light that many in the early 20th century made about the Jews.
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To be fair there was no violence nor arrests made towards protesters because shooting a white soccer mom in the face with a bean bag is really bad optics.
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OSI bean dip posted:Yes. Let's defend the man who made remarks about Roma persons in a similar light that many in the early 20th century made about the Jews. Ezra is a huge shithead, I'm not defending him. But a few notches below Ezra comes the communist mandolin maker who gets a little punchy with the ladies when they frustrate him.
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Edit: Holy poo poo you specified "In the US" because there's gonna be an arrest in Canada, you fake news you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvnH9YiViAc&t=3m20s I mean the man in question has weak beta cuck arms so it's probably more like a tap, she's clearly baby-arm shaming
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It's funny how Ezra Levant's youtube channel has ended up being a way more effective conservative mouthpiece than Sun News ever was.
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Helsing posted:It's funny how Ezra Levant's youtube channel has ended up being a way more effective conservative mouthpiece than Sun News ever was. I mean, within the past page or so, we've had people saying broadcast TV is dying, so I don't know if this should be that surprising.
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Yeah but Sun TV was laughably incompetent whereas The Rebel has been churning out cheap but effective right-wing agitprop for a while now.
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you're talking about a woman who works for a barely veiled white supremacist youtube channel for free. Ever notice how all of Ezra's female "reporters" are bleach-blonde bimbos? just like Ailes likes em 
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peter banana posted:Yesterday the biggest protest for women's rights happened in 700 cities all over the world. The turnout was the largest for a protest in US history. don't bills like this get introduced all the time though? there's a guy from alabama who has introduced a bill to withdraw from the UN every session since he was elected.
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blah_blah posted:This is completely incoherent. Are you trying to argue that punching Richard Spencer in the face gets us closer to 'maintain[ing] rights in this new age' than the Women's March did? Did you think it was a reasonable expectation that the Women's March would prevent the Republican Congress, Senate, and White House from proposing a huge chunk of awful legislation immediately after taking power? The argument against defending rights with violence is that if we demonstrate en masse peacefully enough, our political leaders will be so moved by our direct action that violence will not be necessary to defend those rights. I am literally seeing that argument in this thread. I am being asked to accept that, yes, this is reasonable. I loving don't accept that, obviously, but that is the liberal argument. Regardless if these bills come up all the time, the introduction of this bill at the federal level, after the largest protest ever in the US, flies directly in the face of that argument. And I specified no arrests in the US because THAT IS STILL loving SIGNIFICANT. Literally millions of people protested, not one was arrested and their rights may still be rolled back. So to recap: Millions of peaceful protesters asking for their rights to be respected: doesn't work Punching self-identified opressive reactionaries: OH THE HUMANITY, NO! Any other ideas on how to defend our rights? Jordan7hm posted:So what are you doing to make that happen other than posting here? Attending the protest and organising ones against my MP, Kellie Leitch so that poo poo doesn't come here and mentoring girls through Big Sisters in my area to stand up for their own rights when they are older. Is that sufficient for me to have an opinion on the internet about people having their legal rights protected? peter banana fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Jan 23, 2017 |
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At the Women's march in Toronto, Andrea Horvath was the only Ontario party leader to show up. I heard people asking, "Where's Kathleen Wynne?" When I explained it would probably be bad politics for the Premier of Ontario to protest against the leader of it's largest trading partner, there were some blank looks. It was a good protest, message got a little skewed at points IMHO (But it wasn't my place to voice an opinion on the message being a dude) and it was really nice seeing all the little kids and old ladies out. And I didn't see a single counter-protester (mind you they may have gotten buried in the crowd, it was loving huge, the lawn at Queen's Park got trashed) And punch all Nazis in their stupid Nazi faces.
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Ezra is a huge shithead, I'm not defending him. But a few notches below Ezra comes the communist mandolin maker who gets a little punchy with the ladies when they frustrate him. I do enjoy how it instantly became a fundraising effort "HELP PROTECT THIS POOR WOMAN"
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