Tiler Kiwi posted:

i voted for her in the general, and while i think bernie would have won, i don't actually care if you agree with that, and i dont actually think others care that much aside from this:

can you at least acknowledge that it was a very winnable election, and that the responsibility for the defeat of the democrats lies with Clinton and her core of DNC loyalists?

progress cannot be made on rectifying an absolutely embarrassing defeat until acknowledgement is made that things ought to have been done differently.

My Imaginary GF posted:

i dont understand why folk keep saying sanders would have won. he lost.

Gene Hackman Fan posted:

look, y'all: republicans are gonna republican, and those who are acting all shocked and surprised by that are part of the problem. the problem is that hillary, et al, think they can win by continuing to act like republicans when we have yet another fresh tally mark on an already-crowded side for "that poo poo don't work" because people will go for the real thing instead of someone whose words say progressive and actions say g.o.p.

instead of a candidate who sells out and abandons unions with management-sided free trade deals, will take paid speeches from wall street that can be boiled down to "gently caress what i say in public, y'all's bae," never met a military intervention she didn't like, pals around with henry kissenger, and cannot make a move without consulting three different polls and focus groups and reading chicken entrails, maybe we could just do the opposite of that for once. at least, that's what i mean by 'bernie would have won.'

am i saying it's impossible for a hillary supporter to change? absolutely not -- hell, even tatum girlparts is now into fash-bashing. but you'll know a tree by the fruit it bears, and hillary supporters are bearing some worthless loving fruit right now.

Princess Di posted:

Now I know you're from New York. You sound like a friend of mine from there. Oh god, you are making me miss that place.

Homeless Friend posted:

For all the grump about Trump being a con artist, when you look back on it, Hillary is basically one too lol.

quote:

What’s clear from interviews with several dozen top Democratic politicians and operatives at all levels, however, is that there is no comeback strategy—just a collection of half-formed ideas, all of them challenged by reality. And for whatever scheme they come up with, Democrats don’t even have a flag-carrier. Barack Obama? He doesn’t want the job. Hillary Clinton? Too damaged. Bernie Sanders? Too socialist. Joe Biden? Too tied to Obama. Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer? Too Washington. Elizabeth Warren? Maybe. And all of them old, old, old.

The Democrats’ desolation is staggering. But part of the problem is that it’s easy to point to signs that maybe things aren’t so bad. After all, Clinton did beat Trump by 2.8 million votes, Obama’s approval rating is nearly 60 percent, polls show Democrats way ahead of the GOP on many issues and demographics suggest that gap will only grow. But they are stuck in the minority in Congress with no end in sight, have only 16 governors left and face 32 state legislatures fully under GOP control. Their top leaders in the House are all over 70. Their top leaders in the Senate are all over 60. Under Obama, Democrats have lost 1,034 seats at the state and federal level—there’s no bench, no bench for a bench, virtually no one able to speak for the party as a whole.

There are now fewer than 700 days until Election Day 2018, as internal memos circulating among Democratic strategists point out with alarm. They differ in their prescriptions, but all boil down to the same inconvenient truth: If Republicans dominate the 2018 midterms, they will control the Senate (and with it, the Supreme Court) for years, and they will draw district lines in states that will lock in majorities in the House and across state capitals, killing the next generation of Democrats in the crib, setting up the GOP for an even more dominant 2020 and beyond.

Tight Booty Shorts posted:

GalacticAcid posted:

What's this from

Dead Cosmonaut posted:

we’ll see how popular Trump and the GOP are in 2 years

Dead Cosmonaut posted:

we’ll see how popular Trump and the GOP are in 2 years

Serf posted:

i want them to be unpopular, but it really doesn't matter how popular they are when the country is gerrymandered to hell and back and local government remains a conservative fuckplane forever

Tight Booty Shorts posted:

Yea but can you imagine what kind of cult goons are gonna create around the next astroturfed, Wallstreet backed poo poo heap of a candidate?

Post the map

If you don't like our candidate, don't vote for her

The Muppets On PCP posted:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/democrats-trump-administration-wilderness-comeback-revival-214650

Tight Booty Shorts posted:

tadashi posted:

Actually, there are state congressional elections + gov in Virginia this year. It's a state narrowly held by Democrats and it's the best chance to show there is still life in the DNC. If they give a poo poo about their party, they need to hit the ground running in VA right loving now. 2018 means nothing at this moment. All that matters is showing they can make advancements in this very critical state.

The Muppets On PCP posted:

there might be state legislative elections in north carolina as well depending on how the federal courts rule

Dead Cosmonaut posted:

Sans Clinton, Donald Trump is deeply polarizing and this will play a role in how people go out to vote.

comedy option: GOP dumps Trump after he makes some serious foreign policy fuckups

Tight Booty Shorts posted:

Tight Booty Shorts posted:

Bernie would of one

Thoguh posted:

Bernie would have everyone.

Dead Cosmonaut posted:

they can’t gerrymander governor and senate races, go after those, then worry about the rest

Tiler Kiwi posted:

it does remind me on how offensively absurd it is for a party that has control of congress due to gerrymandering, that has control of the executive due to the electoral college, to complain that the left's protests are an attempt to subvert democracy and the will of the public

i sure hate the right

Condiv posted:

bernie's such a slut

edit: apparently now it's not just russia conspiring against the US to bring us trump, china was in on it too!

https://twitter.com/Khanoisseur/status/823695702513459200

et tu mao?

shirts and skins posted:

Here's the fun thing about the gerrymandering that the GOP has put together: they've spread out their voters to have close majorities in as many districts as possible, and packed Dems into as few very safe districts as possible.

This works great as long as the election is close. But if the side that spread out its voters hits a wall and the other side wins by a good margin, the gerrymandering side is turbofucked and will lose almost everything. This happened to the GOP in 2006: they had gerrymandered the hell out of Pennsylvania, ran into the Mark Foley wave, and lost almost every house seat in the state.

OR I guess we could just sit around and complain about how the deck is stacked against Dems, oh well, nothing we can do

GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:

Hey so uh David Brooks y'all

quote:

We received a letter today from representatives of the tribes protesting the construction of the Dakota Access Pipeline. From the beginning of this campaign, Secretary Clinton has been clear that she thinks all voices should be heard and all views considered in federal infrastructure projects. Now, all of the parties involved—including the federal government, the pipeline company and contractors, the state of North Dakota, and the tribes—need to find a path forward that serves the broadest public interest. As that happens, it's important that on the ground in North Dakota, everyone respects demonstrators' rights to protest peacefully, and workers' rights to do their jobs safely.

mugrim posted:

The party going forward has to really understand that their number one job, especially for the presidency, is marketing.

GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:

Hey so uh David Brooks y'all

quote:

If the anti-Trump forces are to have a chance, they have to offer a better nationalism, with diversity cohering around a central mission, building a nation that balances the dynamism of capitalism with biblical morality.

The march didn’t come close. Hint: The musical “Hamilton” is a lot closer.