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An interesting thing is that there is a large overlap between people that think women are actually biologically lesser and people that think male privilege is not real. Like how do you spin those two things? What advantage could possibly be counted as more unearned than advantages granted because being a women is literally a disability?
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Flowers For Algeria posted:You're only doing half of the work here. It appears that the way we structured our society is an impediment to females. Having to negotiate pay and put yourself out there by applying are huge stumbling blocks for women more so than men. While I am sure it does affect men as well, it doesn't seem to affect them the same amount. If we moved our society to one based completely on pay scales, or maybe not even a scale, but just a set wage that would eliminate the gender pay gap. In order then to get equal numbers of participation in all fields, we would either need to do away with the hiring process, and have maybe an overall board that decides what field and where you will work at. Ok this is mostly tongue and cheek, but how do you fix the fact that women in America apparently do not wish to be aggressive in negotiations for fear of being disliked. And how do you fix the fact that women do not like putting themselves out there? Mandatory blind hiring processes for all companies in america? Where there is nothing there but experience and education?
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Jan 25, 2017 00:09
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Oh hey can we all back up a bit? Women are starting to have high military positions my dudes. US included http://taskandpurpose.com/meet-highest-ranking-female-general-us-history/ 4 Star General Lori Robinson is in charge of Northern Command for almost a year now. She is prob gonna be qualified for a position in the Joint Chief of Staff.
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Jan 25, 2017 00:17
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Indigofreak posted:Ok this is mostly tongue and cheek, but how do you fix the fact that women in America apparently do not wish to be aggressive in negotiations for fear of being disliked. And how do you fix the fact that women do not like putting themselves out there? Mandatory blind hiring processes for all companies in america? Where there is nothing there but experience and education? From what I know about America's labor laws, what you need is a hell of a lot more regulation and a system to review hiring practices, with the threat of heavy fines and similar punitive measures, with a focus on gender imbalances. You also need to remove disincentives to the hiring of women, by levelling the playing field (mandatory paternal leave is a good and easy example). You need education to gender issues and a heavily feminist curriculum in primary and secondary education, as well as in HR. You need unions in general, and you need unions that are aware of gender issues in particular. Also, and this is a personal thing - you need to stop referring to women as "females".
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Jan 25, 2017 00:22
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:An interesting thing is that there is a large overlap between people that think women are actually biologically lesser and people that think male privilege is not real. If male privilege exists, female privilege exists. I mean come on, nothing is equal. My main problem with privilege is people using it to say "Your point of view doesn't matter" or "Your experiences and opinion on the subject don't matter because of privilege".
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Jan 25, 2017 00:23
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Exmond posted:If male privilege exists, female privilege exists. I mean come on, nothing is equal. Can you explain to me what privilege is, in your opinion?
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Jan 25, 2017 00:24
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Flowers For Algeria posted:From what I know about America's labor laws, what you need is a hell of a lot more regulation and a system to review hiring practices, with the threat of heavy fines and similar punitive measures, with a focus on gender imbalances. You also need to remove disincentives to the hiring of women, by levelling the playing field (mandatory paternal leave is a good and easy example). You need education to gender issues and a heavily feminist curriculum in primary and secondary education, as well as in HR. You need unions in general, and you need unions that are aware of gender issues in particular. What is a feminist curriculum?
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Jan 25, 2017 00:26
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Can you explain to me what privilege is, in your opinion? It'll be a bit rough but here goes.. Privilege is the natural benefit or advantage you get from being raised by your parents (rich/poor) or being part of a certain race (Aboriginal vs Caucasian) or being a certain sex (Male vs Female). An example of privilege is having a class try to throw a paper ball into a trashbin at the front of the class. Those at the front of the class have an advantage over those at the back of the class. My personal aside is while privilege exists, it is just a small portion of who you are and how it affects your life.
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Jan 25, 2017 00:28
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Can you explain to me what privilege is, in your opinion? Can't picture you not with a monocle.
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Jan 25, 2017 00:29
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Sethex posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/02/magazine/the-autism-advantage.html Autism isn't a personality trait you idiot
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Jan 25, 2017 00:31
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cosmicprank posted:Can't picture you not with a monocle. He's using the Socratic method duder. You ask people to explain themselves. And you keep asking until you get to a satisfactory understanding of the other person's position or the other guy realizes he doesn't know his argument as well as he does. There's nothing condescending about it, it's a fantastic way to debate people, even if it does seem forward and combative at times.
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Jan 25, 2017 00:33
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Indigofreak posted:What is a feminist curriculum? Well, a couple ideas must permeate all facets of education - gender equality, group diversity, stuff like that. Violent tendencies in boys must be snuffed out, and children must be educated about consent, equality, interpersonal relationships. Children of both genders must be allowed and encouraged to work together, and to distribute tasks evenly. Pretty common sense stuff, really.
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Jan 25, 2017 00:34
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Well, a couple ideas must permeate all facets of education - gender equality, group diversity, stuff like that. Violent tendencies in boys must be snuffed out, and children must be educated about consent, equality, interpersonal relationships. Children of both genders must be allowed and encouraged to work together, and to distribute tasks evenly. If it was common sense then it would already be happening. The hardest part of that would be the violent tendencies in boys.
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Jan 25, 2017 00:38
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SSNeoman posted:He's using the Socratic method duder. You ask people to explain themselves. And you keep asking until you get to a satisfactory understanding of the other person's position or the other guy realizes he doesn't know his argument as well as he does. Nice edit. Original would have been to anti-feminist, motherfucker can be triggering. Also lmao at trying to remove female from the dictionary, can we not use the word "male" either? Kooks.
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Jan 25, 2017 00:38
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Well, a couple ideas must permeate all facets of education - gender equality, group diversity, stuff like that. Violent tendencies in boys must be snuffed out, and children must be educated about consent, equality, interpersonal relationships. Children of both genders must be allowed and encouraged to work together, and to distribute tasks evenly. Lets edit this to say Violent tendencies in everyone instead of just limiting it to men?
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Jan 25, 2017 00:38
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Exmond posted:Lets edit this to say Violent tendencies in everyone instead of just limiting it to men? These are people who would unironically hold up a "teach men not to rape" sign, what do you expect?
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Jan 25, 2017 00:39
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cosmicprank posted:Nice edit. Original would have been to anti-feminist, motherfucker can be triggering. Be careful you don't hurt your hand knocking down that straw man
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Jan 25, 2017 00:39
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gently caress Whitey posted:Be careful you don't hurt your hand knocking down that straw man He edited motherfucker to "duder", there's no strawman. And I'm laughing at the other poster who told someone they "need to stop using the word female" who would clearly have no objection to the word "male" for reasons.
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Jan 25, 2017 00:40
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cosmicprank posted:These are people who would unironically hold up a "teach men not to rape" sign, what do you expect? What's the alternative, teach women to live in terror that any attempt to live their life might result in them being raped and that it will be their fault when it happens?
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Jan 25, 2017 00:40
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gently caress Whitey posted:What's the alternative, teach women to live in terror that any attempt to live their life might result in them being raped and that it will be their fault when it happens? No, don't perpetuate myths that every male is a potential rapist and that males never are raped by females.
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Jan 25, 2017 00:41
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cosmicprank posted:He edited motherfucker to "duder", there's no strawman. And I'm laughing at the other poster who told someone they "need to stop using the word female" who would clearly have no objection to the word "male" for reasons. Using males as a noun would also be weird actually That poster also wasn't saying it should be removed from the dictionary so you are in fact beating on a straw man
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Jan 25, 2017 00:41
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cosmicprank posted:Nice edit. Original would have been to anti-feminist, motherfucker can be triggering. ???? ????????? I...didn't make an edit????
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Jan 25, 2017 00:42
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cosmicprank posted:Also lmao at trying to remove female from the dictionary, can we not use the word "male" either? Kooks. This isn't actually happening.
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Jan 25, 2017 00:42
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cosmicprank posted:No, don't perpetuate myths that every male is a potential rapist and that males never are raped by females. Hmmmmm this would be an interesting idea if it was a thing that existed in reality
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Jan 25, 2017 00:42
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gently caress Whitey posted:Using males as a noun would also be weird actually They said you need to stop referring to women as "females" and the very fact that referring to a woman as a "female" is some sort of offense only furthers the chasm between our sides of course. No one changes their minds in these topics.
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Jan 25, 2017 00:43
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When do I catch the ban lmao
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Jan 25, 2017 00:43
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Maybe quote the post? That would help your point.
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cosmicprank posted:They said you need to stop referring to women as "females" and the very fact that referring to a woman as a "female" is some sort of offense only furthers the chasm between our sides of course. No one changes their minds in these topics. They asked you to stop using females as a noun because it sounds weird They did not say it should be removed from the dictionary
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Jan 25, 2017 00:44
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gently caress Whitey posted:They asked you to stop using females as a noun because it sounds weird He actually just said you need to stop, didn't say "because it sounds weird". Typical tone policing xD
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cosmicprank posted:He actually just said you need to stop, didn't say "because it sounds weird". Yes and the you was referring to you specifically, nothing in there said it should be removed from the dictionary
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Jan 25, 2017 00:47
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Are you like trying to troll us really badly by just making poo poo up? Cause people are engaging with you, especially Flowers For Algeria. If you can't do the same well don't be surprised people go "lol idiot". That's not intolerance that's just you wasting our time and proving our point. Like you do know I can just ask a mod if I edited my post, right? It's a very transparent lie if I actually gave a poo poo about disproving it. Why do this?
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Jan 25, 2017 00:48
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:You are scolding feminists for "goofy causes" but your problem with feminism is that some rando nobody somewhere didn't like some totally unimportant star trek thing? No you illiterate dumb bastard, im scolding feminists that get all angry about garbage causes that mean nothing, completely diluting actual issues. The issue is that feminism embrace the entire group even when some of the group is absolute poo poo. Its the geek fallacy where everything HAS to be included or its not "fair"
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SSNeoman posted:Are you like trying to troll us really badly by just making poo poo up? Cause people are engaging with you, especially Flowers For Algeria. If you can't do the same well don't be surprised people go "lol idiot". That's not intolerance that's just you wasting our time and proving our point. all an elaborate troll to prove anti-feminists are retarded
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Jan 25, 2017 00:49
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504 posted:No you illiterate dumb bastard, im scolding feminists that get all angry about garbage causes that mean nothing, completely diluting actual issues. You're nut-picking. Unless you have evidence that this is a wide-spread issue among all the different feminist circles (or poo poo even one particular one), then you do not have a point.
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cosmicprank posted:all an elaborate troll to prove anti-feminists are retarded Well mission accomplished I guess.
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Jan 25, 2017 00:51
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cosmicprank posted:all an elaborate troll to prove anti-feminists are retarded Why'd you edit this post?
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504 posted:No you illiterate dumb bastard, im scolding feminists that get all angry about garbage causes that mean nothing, completely diluting actual issues garbage causes like what?
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Exmond posted:It'll be a bit rough but here goes.. Stone Cold gives an excellent definition in the Feminism thread over at The Great Race Space : Stone Cold posted:Privilege is a right, immunity, or benefit that is experienced by a person which is beyond the advantages of most others. It is used in exactly this context in feminism. If you are described as being “privileged”, it means that you are immune to social pressures and problems that other groups of people face, that you have a right which is denied to other groups of people, and/or that you benefit from a system which does not provide those same benefits to others. Privilege is not necessarily asked for. It is merely assigned according to the social position that you are born into. It does not mean you do not ever face hardships or legitimate problems. It simply means that there are other problems and issues which you have the privilege of avoiding where others do not. The example you use is pretty trivial, though, IMO, because I'd argue that it is a concept that is mostly useful in social sciences. Exmond posted:My personal aside is while privilege exists, it is just a small portion of who you are and how it affects your life. Exmond posted:Lets edit this to say Violent tendencies in everyone instead of just limiting it to men? Well, you are right in that violent tendencies should be snuffed out of everyone. But today, the perpetrators of violence are far more likely to be men, because boys are much more socialized into violent tendencies than women. That's why I focused on boys: they are our priority in this fight, and we should review the processes of socialization of boys first - maybe by aligning it on girls'? Here's an example: two boys get in a fistfight in a courtyard. A likely excuse for this behavior will often be "boys will be boys", right? Well, this is the kind of stuff that should be snuffed out. Indigofreak posted:If it was common sense then it would already be happening. The hardest part of that would be the violent tendencies in boys. Let's normalize gender equality. cosmicprank posted:And I'm laughing at the other poster who told someone they "need to stop using the word female" who would clearly have no objection to the word "male" for reasons. Of course this is not about banning words from the dictionary.
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Flowers For Algeria posted:
I like the example I used because it shows that while privilege exists and disparity exists it can also be overcome. And even with privilege people can fail at things. While it may not be the point of view you see, it aligns nicely with my principals and thought process on privilege. (It exists, It can help, but it doesn't lessen your achievements or success and may instead enhance them).
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