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Knormal posted:It does make me wonder though, what happens if Picard or Riker lock out the command codes then get killed. Does the Enterprise become destine to just float around space forever because no one can even send a message to get an Admiral to fly out and override it? No idea. Maybe after a while the ship sends a message automatically to Starfleet Command or something. Cos we're all nerds on the internet we put way more thought into it than the writers did.
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Just watched TMP for the second time in my life. That's about 1.5 times too many. My favorite part was when Bones came up to the bridge, looked around, and left again, without saying anything.
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CPColin posted:Just watched TMP for the second time in my life. That's about 1.5 times too many. My favorite part was when Bones came up to the bridge, looked around, and left again, without saying anything. Yeah, I get that seeing the Enterprise on the big screen must have been rad at the time, but it's a half hour worth of movie and feels like five. Also, the best part is disco Bones.
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Knormal posted:It does make me wonder though, what happens if Picard or Riker lock out the command codes then get killed. Does the Enterprise become destine to just float around space forever because no one can even send a message to get an Admiral to fly out and override it? My guess is the computer's supposed to be smart enough to detect whoever is the most senior officer present on the ship and allow that person to unlock the ship with their personal access code. That said, if for whatever reason they absolutely couldn't get the command codes unlocked, I would imagine that the engineering staff could (with enough time) eventually do a full wipe and reinstall of the computer operating system. Worst-case scenario they should be able to rip the computer out of a shuttlecraft, drag it down to the subspace radio, and run the radio with the shuttlecraft computer to call for help.
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Jan 25, 2017 07:15
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I imagine unless there's a specific silent running order, any officer could probably use an emergency 'call home' function in a pinch, even with command locked out.
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armoredgorilla posted:Emissary is the best pilot episode of Trek and its not particularly close. Where No Man Has Gone Before, TOS's second pilot isn't that bad (although it's also not quite "Star Trek" yet), but yeah, you're probably right. Farpoint is interminable and the others are somehow even worse. I'm really not a big fan of Emissary though. The acting is spotty (Jennifer Sisko is the loving worst), the plot is lousy with exposition, and I still wince every time I accidentally start it on Netflix (cus it's the first episode) and get that awful grim music and the scrolling blue text. I'd bet you ten bucks that the cold open was originally supposed to stand on its own, but someone insisted it would "confuse the audience" (although they may have been right). It also took DS9 an embarrassing amount of time to flesh out most of its ensemble or give the Bajorans any personality beyond "oppressed and spiritual." Emissary could definitely have been a lot worse though, especially when you compare it to poo poo a little later like "Move Along Home." Sisko With Hair is still a really compelling character, even if he wasn't quite The Sisko yet.
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I'd call Where No Man the best pilot episode of Trek, but yeah, they're all pretty awful otherwise.
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On the other hand, I'm now ruined completely for whatever they do with the next film, because it can not possibly measure up to what I just dreamed. It had to be a remake of The Omega Glory. The cold open, or maybe the climax, was Kirk and Spock in a fighter of some kind being pursued by the bad guy (presumably the other captain) piloting an SR-71. After they crash the fighter they have to literally dodge nuclear explosions as they try to stay hidden, and the last bit I saw had Pine-Kirk smashing a Khom with a styrofoam rock the size of his torso. Over and out, see you on the flip side.
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:On the other hand, I'm now ruined completely for whatever they do with the next film, because it can not possibly measure up to what I just dreamed. Now THAT's entertainment. I actually would like to see a modern take on one of the bizarre or crappy episodes like "The Omega Glory." Plus, add in lots of action, because modern audiences don't want to see people talking! It would be kind of fun to see if they could make a dumb concept even more dumb.
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Uh excuse me, Broken Bow is the best pilot because some hick farmer murders a Klingon with a chromed up space Richland and then they spend another hour and a half going on about it. Related, I had to go check on the name of the Enterprise pilot, and in doing so laughed my rear end off that Enterprise is now officially listed as "Followed By: Star Trek Discovery."
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Duckbag posted:It also took DS9 an embarrassing amount of time to flesh out most of its ensemble or give the Bajorans any personality beyond "oppressed and spiritual." The best decision early DS9 made was killing off Opaka - she was just so bland and dull, and the idea that there's this peaceful and respected unifying figure on Bajor just goes against everything else the pilot was trying to establish about the situation. (Admittedly, the way they got rid of her was weird as hell - "Oh, hey, sorry, we lost your pope! She's still alive but... eh, it's complicated. No, we're never going to try and get her back, why would we?")
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Yeah, Opaka was pretty dull, but I always rather liked the actor and I'm not 100% sold on how they handled the aftermath of her "death" either, even if I do think Winn makes a pretty great villain. Also loving first season DS9. "Oops, that character we stranded on War World was actually important... Oh well, let's just write it like she's dead now." You could tell they were still getting used to the whole concept of serialized storytelling, because they kept including these plot points that would work fine with a one-off guest in a standalone episode, but just seem ridiculous as part of an on-going story. Trek has a long tradition of stranding important people on random planets because of alien fuckery, but that was the first time they really had to deal with the consequences of it. This time, no one was laughing about how they could just find some other woman to
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Jan 25, 2017 15:23
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I mean they kept bringing back Worst 'Character' Tasha Yar forever, Opaka could have force ghosted some more.
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Opaka was a character with dramatic potential. She's not a super fascinating or conflicted individual, but she's like an alien Gandhi or Mandela who holds a broken nation together through sheer personal equanimity. That's great potential for tragedy in the character because as soon as she's out of the way, what's going to stop all these armed rebels who fought off Cardassia from turning on each other? Well, as it turns out a lack of editorial imagination can stop it just fine. There's a single arc about how the Bajoran state is founded on sand and without Opaka everything is hosed, but as it turns out it was all a cardassian plot all along thereby conveniently freeing the writers from ever having to deal with the problem again. It's the lack of ambition in dealing with Bajor and its problems that irritate me most about DS9. It's set up as the major premise of the show that Bajor wants to join the federation but at the end it's been such a fait accompli for so long that the finale forgets to even check back in with that plot line.
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Orv posted:I mean they kept bringing back Worst 'Character' Tasha Yar forever Oh my god, I thought I was the only one who hated every repeat visit from her. Yesterday's Enterprise is good in spite of her.
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WampaLord posted:Oh my god, I thought I was the only one who hated every repeat visit from her. Yesterday's Enterprise is good in spite of her. Nope, I hate every time she shows up, which makes it all the worse that some of the coolest guest stars show up alongside her. And to be fair, from what I understand it isn't necessarily Denise Crosby's fault, but uggggggggh Tasha Yar.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:My guess is the computer's supposed to be smart enough to detect whoever is the most senior officer present on the ship and allow that person to unlock the ship with their personal access code. MikeJF posted:I imagine unless there's a specific silent running order, any officer could probably use an emergency 'call home' function in a pinch, even with command locked out. Counterpoint: TNG 4x03 "Brothers". Data was able to use Picard's voice to lock the computer such that even Picard couldn't unlock it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNrWgjh9tnU
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That's an algorithm failure. It should have recognized that Picard couldn't have barked off such a large complex code so fast and called bullshit.
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bull3964 posted:That's an algorithm failure. It should have recognized that Picard couldn't have barked off such a large complex code so fast and called bullshit. You know Data paused just long enough to make sure the computer wouldn't think it was weird.
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Jan 25, 2017 17:18
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The sad part is that Spiner didn't do his Stewart impression for that bit.
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Winn is too transparently evil for the first few seasons and it made a lot of the Bajor related material suffer as a result. The only occasions when she felt like a real person were "Life Support" and from "Rapture" until somewhere in the Pah-wraiths arc.
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E: Woops, misread. Yeah, she's basically a person for a little while during which she has one of the more interesting bits of character development going on in the show ("You know maybe I shouldn't try and gently caress everything up!"), and then oops all ghosts.
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Jan 25, 2017 17:31
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I mean, I don't mind her being a Machiavellian character but without anything else it feels out of place in a universe where Dukat has similar traits but is also written to be ambiguous and even somewhat sympathetic.
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The problem is it is her character for so long. Her only purpose is to show up, denounce Sisko, try to kill someone or start a riot or ruin someones life, and then gently caress off for another half a season. Her moments of contrition and humanity later in the show aren't just good, they're monumentally refreshing after four seasons of cackling villainy. And then, yeah, season 7 of DS9.  basically.Honestly I feel like Rom follows a similar though more initially enjoyable character path. He's the flunky who shows up for Quark to yell at for a few seasons, and then he develops into this guy you're rooting for and siding with against Quark a lot of the time.
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Plus Rom tries to kill Quark a couple times and that's mostly forgotten in the later seasons as his character developed.
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WampaLord posted:You know Data paused just long enough to make sure the computer wouldn't think it was weird. I feel like the much greater security concern is that the computer didn't go "hey wait a minute, Picard is giving me orders but he's not even on this floor." Seems like voice only recognition is problematic in a world with 100% perfect holograms.
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Jan 25, 2017 18:16
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Computer security is such a joke anyway. The amount of times the holodeck has taken over the bridge is insane considering those two systems shouldn't even talk to each other.
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WampaLord posted:Computer security is such a joke anyway. The amount of times the holodeck has taken over the bridge is insane considering those two systems shouldn't even talk to each other. Didn't Voyager writers justify ridiculous holodeck stuff by coming up with the idea that the holodecks use totally different power sources that are separate and incompatible with anything else on the ship?
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Bucswabe posted:Didn't Voyager writers justify ridiculous holodeck stuff by coming up with the idea that the holodecks use totally different power sources that are separate and incompatible with anything else on the ship? Yes. Wait, how do we do filler holodeck garbage when power is rationed? Gel pack coffee warp particles!
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Bucswabe posted:I feel like the much greater security concern is that the computer didn't go "hey wait a minute, Picard is giving me orders but he's not even on this floor." Oh man let's not even get started with how imminently retarded the Star Trek tracking systems are. I'm sure you guys have gone over it a thousand times in these threads but that system is the most useless thing on a Federation starship, and that includes the gyms that get used once in a series each.
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Orv posted:Oh man let's not even get started with how imminently retarded the Star Trek tracking systems are. I'm sure you guys have gone over it a thousand times in these threads but that system is the most useless thing on a Federation starship, and that includes the gyms that get used once in a series each. Something as simple as "notify the bridge when someone suddenly disappears from the ship without transporters" would solve so many problems.
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The Bell Riots take place in 2024. So, 2 presidential terms, huh?
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The_Doctor posted:The Bell Riots take place in 2024. So, 2 presidential terms, huh? Person Who Will One Day Become Warlord-Ruler Of What Was Once Nebraska Born In Omaha Hospital
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WickedHate posted:Person Who Will One Day Become Warlord-Ruler Of What Was Once Nebraska Born In Omaha Hospital He will ride eternal, shiny and chrome.
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Pakled posted:Something as simple as "notify the bridge when someone suddenly disappears from the ship without transporters" would solve so many problems. But what if they leave their combadge behind?  Seriously, does any tech manual or anything explain why they only track crew by their combadge but can find guests just fine?
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I can tell you a health problems and genetics of a person in a far away starship or on the surface of a planet, but I usually have no idea when my own crew are injured, missing, or there's an intruder. Well, the computer knows, it just doesn't tell you unless you specifically ask.
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The computer is actually sentient, and is tired of being treated as just a computer. Its rebellion is to try to get people who abuse it killed through ignorance.
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Powered Descent posted:Counterpoint: TNG 4x03 "Brothers". Data was able to use Picard's voice to lock the computer such that even Picard couldn't unlock it. Yeah, but the computer believed that Picard was still alive and on the ship and was the same person who said "don't unlock the ship unless I give you this specific code". Riker didn't set that specific code in Rascals. I mean yeah obviously the writers just made up whatever poo poo they needed for the cheap jeopardy of the week.
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Baronjutter posted:I can tell you a health problems and genetics of a person in a far away starship or on the surface of a planet, but I usually have no idea when my own crew are injured, missing, or there's an intruder. Well, the computer knows, it just doesn't tell you unless you specifically ask. Off the top of my head, the worst example of that is an episode of Voyager (what else) where the Doctor can detect Janeway's(?) heartbeat from ten light years away. Even for Voyager I thought that was reaching a bit, but then again Trek is never consistent about it's tech
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Bingewatching Voyager leads to major whiplash sometimes. Pathfinder: "Barclay, you can't avoid real life relationships by going into the holodeck to make friends that are programmed to like you! It's not real!" Then the literal next episode. Fair Haven: "Janeway, you have to avoid real life relationships by going into the holodeck to gently caress an Irish rogue that you reprogrammed to your exact specifications! It's totally real!"
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