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Jordan7hm posted:They've enforced the part of the bill that allows them to strip citizenship due to misrepresentation during the immigration process. Selectively.
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vyelkin posted:Selectively. yeah. They shouldn't be doing it at all until there's more oversight around the whole process, but I don't have a problem with the concept if it's used as intended.
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Jordan7hm posted:Yeah, he voted for C-51. No, he didn't vote for C-24. Also every Liberal who attended voted against it. He did vote to amend the citizenship clause. What I'm getting at is this is the Leader of the Liberal party on record voting for expanded police state powers, and for reasons you can speculate for as you wish did not attend a vote against citizenship stripping powers. He can certainly backpedal and try to explain his actions how he wants but these are votes on the record.
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When you're in a minority position whether or not you vote is entirely a PR issue.
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Jordan7hm posted:When you're in a minority position whether or not you vote is entirely a PR issue. So what message did Trudeau wants to convey with those votes, then?
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Jordan7hm posted:When you're in a minority position whether or not you vote is entirely a PR issue.
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cowofwar posted:Are you seriously defending this garbage? The statement seems accurate and quite defensible to me. (Whether you support C24/C51 or not has nothing to do with that statement as I see it)
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Why do we even have opposition parties during a majority government if you think their vote means nothing
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Subjunctive posted:So what message did Trudeau wants to convey with those votes, then? Here ya go quote:But [Trudeau] also highlighted what he liked about Bill C-51. Trudeau listed three ways the law will, in his view, improve the safety of Canadians: by making “preventive arrest” easier when police suspect someone may be planning to carry out a terrorist activity; by strengthening Canada’s “no-fly list”; and by improving communication and coordination on potential threats among federal agencies. Postess with the Mostest fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Jan 25, 2017 |
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I think the point is they had carte blanche to vote their conscience, and collectively the Liberals' conscience said a sweeping surveillance state with minimal oversight and pre-crime detentions is fuckin' A-OK!
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Here ya go Quite so.
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"But see, he's the real left wing candidate" Also lol at anyone who saw the Chretien admin and the Ignatieff run and still thought the liberals would do better on mass surveillance.
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Risky Bisquick posted:Why do we even have opposition parties during a majority government if you think their vote means nothing So that they can position themselves to be the next government and bring forward smaller bills that work in parrallel with the government's broader agenda. Opposition parties can stall a very little bit, but they can't prevent a majority government from enacting legislation they want to enact. Especially when the government is competently run, as the cons were by the end of their time in office. I'm not defending c-51. I just think there are people in this thread who don't know the difference between c24 and c51.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/opinion/on-pipelines-donald-trump-looks-backward.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-sharequote:IF you’re searching for a lens to understand just how President Trump sees the world, his executive orders on Tuesday reviving the Keystone XL and expediting the Dakota Access pipelines provide a sharply focused glimpse. In a word, he looks backward at all times. We’re beginning to get a better sense of what he means by “again” in “Make America Great Again.”
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The road to long term prosperity when it comes to oil sands development really is to not do it at all and instead invest in something better.
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Like even the worst designed dams would have been less damaging for the lake Winnipeg watershed than the oil sands at this point.
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EvilJoven posted:The road to long term prosperity when it comes to oil sands development really is to not do it at all and instead invest in something better. Say that to an albertan and they'll literally poo poo themselves with rage though
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It's because we fondly remember the days when we couldn't frack fast enough for the market, Husky Energy christmas parties were legendary, and we all got Audis. We were soft and complacent, and now we're studiously ignoring the demand for clean energy innovation. On the upside, our provincial NDP provides a fantastic scapegoat so we don't have to think about the new realities of the energy market.
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CLAM DOWN posted:Say that to an albertan and they'll literally poo poo themselves with rage though The stance of Alberta on pipelines lately has been severely disappointing, but not unexpected. I had hoped that we would be moving towards actual diversification that would create long term jobs vs. 4500 jobs for construction of a pipeline for a fairly short-term duration. I suppose it was too much to expect that the NDP would be any different than any other political party in that regard.
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Lien posted:The stance of Alberta on pipelines lately has been severely disappointing, but not unexpected. I had hoped that we would be moving towards actual diversification that would create long term jobs vs. 4500 jobs for construction of a pipeline for a fairly short-term duration. I suppose it was too much to expect that the NDP would be any different than any other political party in that regard. DOUBLE DOUBLE AND DOUBLE DOWN 
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Alberta businesses can't accept that we'll never see $150/barrel oil again, and the NDP is too callow to piss them off any more than they have. Meanwhile Calgary is trying to use property tax pressure to force businesses back into our morgue of a downtown core. There's this air of desperation in the province, as we cling to the idea that Keystone XL will bring us back to the big rock candy mountain. I mean, it couldn't hurt, right?
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CLAM DOWN posted:Say that to an albertan and they'll literally poo poo themselves with rage though My job > your environment Skippy Granola posted:It's because we fondly remember the days when we couldn't frack fast enough for the market, Husky Energy christmas parties were legendary, and we all got Audis. I love the way we routinely elected decades of low tax small government types, then the moment oil tanked, everyone was running around screaming for more government support, and why won't this government do something?! Throw in a dose of "transfer payment" outrage too; I mean maybe if we taxed ourselves to a reasonable degree we could afford social programs too, but that would be communism, so lets make those eastern bastards freeze in the dark or something. Alberta: The_only_moral_handout_is_my_handout.province
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cowofwar posted:Haha, now there's talk about the oil sector not needing both energy east and keystone xl so they wont build one of them. I'd bet a lot of money on if given the choice them going with keystone to the gulf of mexico instead of energy east to the refineries. Companies will never act in the interest of a country so you need to crush them under your boot and extract as much as you can. Clearly we need to elect a Prime Minister who will put Canada First.
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cowofwar posted:Haha, now there's talk about the oil sector not needing both energy east and keystone xl so they wont build one of them. I'd bet a lot of money on if given the choice them going with keystone to the gulf of mexico instead of energy east to the refineries. Companies will never act in the interest of a country so you need to crush them under your boot and extract as much as you can. Whatever you do, do not read the comment section on that.
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In a lot of ways Harper was already a prelude to Trump, or at least what Trump is doing rn. Then again I still don't get how O'Leary is not a "literally who?" beyond not being one of Harper's apparatchiks
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Agnosticnixie posted:In a lot of ways Harper was already a prelude to Trump, or at least what Trump is doing rn. He's been on TV a lot which gives him far more name recognition than any of Harper's mute talking point reciters, and Canadian conservatives are excited to have a Canadian version of Trump so they hear "Kevin O'Leary? He's that rich obnoxious guy, right? Sign me up!"
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cowofwar posted:Haha, now there's talk about the oil sector not needing both energy east and keystone xl so they wont build one of them. I'd bet a lot of money on if given the choice them going with keystone to the gulf of mexico instead of energy east to the refineries. Companies will never act in the interest of a country so you need to crush them under your boot and extract as much as you can. KXL is dependant upon a foreign country who can unilaterally tax the goods moving through it without regard for international law though. It would be a misstep to only build KXL during a time where we are trying to diversify our export partners. On the assumption both are done deals, you might as well build both pipelines to pressure the US Gov (  ) to reduce levies on the goods being moved through.
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CLAM DOWN posted:Whatever you do, do not read the comment section on that.  lol @ anyone that believes Keystone XL will create any long-term Canadian jobs also lol @ anyone that believes any Trump policy will create any long-term Canadian jobs
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As someone who has lived and studied around the country and has been exposed to a lot of ideas and people, it's crazy just how many people experience the world outside their podunk town exclusively through their television. All they know is their town and the fake the reality of TV they've internalized. There are millions of voters who haven't been exposed to change or progress since high school fifty years ago. Liberals underestimated Trump because they didn't realize that half the country already tuned in to watch him every night on TV and were loyal followers. Anyone on Tv has incredible sway with the average voter because it's literally their entire world. And that's why we will have a PM O'Leary. cowofwar fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Jan 25, 2017 |
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cowofwar posted:As someone who has lived and studied around the country and has been exposed to a lot of ideas and people, it's crazy just how many people experience the world outside their podunk town exclusively through their television. All they know is their town and the fake the reality of TV they've internalized. There are millions of voters who haven't been exposed to change or progress since high school fifty years ago. I call bullshit, if they have a TV they'd have heard of acid reflux and how it can be treated by Nexium and Prilosec or whatever.
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PT6A posted:I call bullshit, if they have a TV they'd have heard of acid reflux and how it can be treated by Nexium and Prilosec or whatever. Everyone likes to dump on you here but I assure you that you know much, much more and are drastically more intelligent than the average Canadian. Never expect an average person to know anything or be able to reason at all. If they see it on TV it's considered the literal gospel. The average person gets a phone call and ends up wiring money to random Nigerians. They are a free floating raft on the ocean and will go whichever way the wind blows. Absolutely worthless for any role or task aside from selling garbage to one another. Good people though. Some of my favorite people are average people.
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Baronjutter posted:My very capital C conservative boss seems pretty anti-trump, so that's a relief at least... Same, I work in a very conservative old fashioned and old in age department, and everyone here is horrified by Trump. It's slightly comforting.
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cowofwar posted:Everyone likes to dump on you here but I assure you that you know much, much more and are drastically more intelligent than the average Canadian. Never expect an average person to know anything or be able to reason at all. If they see it on TV it's considered the literal gospel. The average person gets a phone call and ends up wiring money to random Nigerians. They are a free floating raft on the ocean and will go whichever way the wind blows. Absolutely worthless for any role or task aside from selling garbage to one another. I know, my point was that Larry the Cable Guy has been hocking those pills for acid reflux for ages on TV, so if they're TV watchers and well-trained consumers, it's certainly a disease they should be aware of. I can't think of a single reason not to take medical advice from a lovely actor with a fake accent who plays a moron 
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cowofwar posted:As someone who has lived and studied around the country and has been exposed to a lot of ideas and people, it's crazy just how many people experience the world outside their podunk town exclusively through their television. All they know is their town and the fake the reality of TV they've internalized. There are millions of voters who haven't been exposed to change or progress since high school fifty years ago. A good argument for a meritocracy ruled by scientific experts. Also, that NYT article doesn't mention nuclear which is always amazing to me. Can't wait for our solar/wind/magic battery future.
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CLAM DOWN posted:Same, I work in a very conservative old fashioned and old in age department, and everyone here is horrified by Trump. It's slightly comforting. if the old harper/bushite style conservatives hate trump that should be a good indicator that he is about to do some great things for the world
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