p-lang thread: (now (have you (problems two)))

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Maluco Marinero: Jan 18, 2001; Damn that's a
fine elephant.

AggressivelyStupid posted:

moral of this story is know how your language works?

like, I'm not saying JavaScript is an ideal language, just that maybe if you write code in a language maybe you should understand it first. there is weirdness in Javascript but there is far more consistency than some languages even if it's looseness means thing don't glue together quite as well as you expect them to.

# ? Jan 26, 2017 02:42

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necrotic: Aug 2, 2005; I owe my brother big time for this!

I mean that's fair but until MDN there was no good source of documentation.

# ? Jan 26, 2017 02:45

AggressivelyStupid: Jan 9, 2012

plain javascript is really gross, I prefer to pretend it doesn't exist

# ? Jan 26, 2017 02:49

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

you really gotta appreciate javascript for what it is and what its become. it's come a long way under some pretty ridiculous constraints.

# ? Jan 26, 2017 02:57

JewKiller 3000: Nov 28, 2006; by Lowtax

MALE SHOEGAZE posted:

you really gotta appreciate javascript

no

no you do not

at all

# ? Jan 26, 2017 02:58

VikingofRock: Aug 24, 2008

What's the yospinion on web assembly?

# ? Jan 26, 2017 03:21

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

Maluco Marinero posted:

it's only silently demonstrated because the JavaScript language matches arity with no strictness at all, all arguments are always optional. unless you propose to break this sort of fundamental language decision for the sake of a wrapping function.

idea: throw out the web and start over

# ? Jan 26, 2017 03:44

AggressivelyStupid: Jan 9, 2012

Bloody posted:

idea: throw out the web

# ? Jan 26, 2017 03:50

LinYutang: Oct 12, 2016; NEOLIBERAL SHITPOSTER

VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!!!

it's kind of weird that a module system now exists in Javascript but nobody knows what the native browser implementation will behave like

so we have projects with 500 javascript modules, are browsers supposed to load all that poo poo asynchronously or what, nobody knows

# ? Jan 26, 2017 04:58

JewKiller 3000: Nov 28, 2006; by Lowtax

1. the module system will require that your dependencies be arranged into a DAG, so that the implementation semantics are "concatenate all the modules in toplogical order, and proceed as before"
- OR -
2. modules are loaded the first time that anything within them is referenced at runtime

judging by the ~javascript community~, which one do you think will happen???

# ? Jan 26, 2017 05:03

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

BiohazrD posted:

i thought about doing that, but you an control all zones, so i could do Amplifier[0].Volume = 50 and have it set all of the zones on the amp. idk, ill gently caress around with it some more

for something like that you would have your IEnumerable<Zone> Zones property on your controller that you can go thru to set the same command on all unless I'm missing something you should really ignore amps other than having them linked to the controller to give you their zone lists which you aggregate in the controller.

Is there anything the amps do that's special other than give you the zones you actually want to do things to?

# ? Jan 26, 2017 06:36

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

AggressivelyStupid posted:

# ? Jan 26, 2017 06:38

Athas: Aug 6, 2007; fuck that joker

VikingofRock posted:

What's the yospinion on web assembly?

I was at a Google-hosted summit where a dude (Chandler Carruth) could explain the three primary current research problems in compiler engineering using maybe four slides, and some other guys used something like seventy slides to explain WebAssembly.

# ? Jan 26, 2017 07:23

redleader: Aug 18, 2005; Engage according to operational parameters

Athas posted:

I was at a Google-hosted summit where a dude (Chandler Carruth) could explain the three primary current research problems in compiler engineering using maybe four slides, and some other guys used something like seventy slides to explain WebAssembly.

so it's good

# ? Jan 26, 2017 07:54

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
sl�gt skal f�lge sl�gters gang

Athas posted:

I was at a Google-hosted summit where a dude (Chandler Carruth) could explain the three primary current research problems in compiler engineering using maybe four slides, and some other guys used something like seventy slides to explain WebAssembly.

is that compiler talk online?

# ? Jan 26, 2017 08:23

aardvaard: Mar 4, 2013; you belong in the bog of eternal stench

sometimes i use node instead of bash

# ? Jan 26, 2017 12:32

aardvaard: Mar 4, 2013; you belong in the bog of eternal stench

i never learned how to do like, any sort of logic in bash and the extraordinary power of pavascript is right there so :shrug:

# ? Jan 26, 2017 12:33

Blinkz0rz: May 27, 2001; MY CONTEMPT FOR MY OWN EMPLOYEES IS ONLY MATCHED BY MY LOVE FOR TOM BRADY'S SWEATY MAGA BALLS

i ran into a fun ruby thing at work that i wanted to share

Ruby code:

2.1.5 (main):0 > ['a' 'b' 'c']
[
  [0] "abc"
]
2.1.5 (main):0 > ['a', 'b,' 'c']
[
  [0] "a",
  [1] "b,c"
]

# ? Jan 26, 2017 13:00

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
sl�gt skal f�lge sl�gters gang

thats string literal concatenation, C & most of its descendants do it too

# ? Jan 26, 2017 13:13

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
sl�gt skal f�lge sl�gters gang

its so you can go

char *a = "this line is really long,"
" and continues here. "
"and still continues";

# ? Jan 26, 2017 13:14

Blinkz0rz: May 27, 2001; MY CONTEMPT FOR MY OWN EMPLOYEES IS ONLY MATCHED BY MY LOVE FOR TOM BRADY'S SWEATY MAGA BALLS

no poo poo, i don't think i've ever run into concatenation without an operator involved

# ? Jan 26, 2017 13:26

Slurps Mad Rips: Jan 25, 2009; Bwaltow!

Athas posted:

I was at a Google-hosted summit where a dude (Chandler Carruth) could explain the three primary current research problems in compiler engineering using maybe four slides, and some other guys used something like seventy slides to explain WebAssembly.

everytime i saw one of the talks about wasm half the slides appeared to be dedicated to defending their decision to write the reference implementation in OCaml, and then another third of the slides were dedicated to complaining that they were having trouble getting people to contribute and then that last little sliver was the actual important stuff that sounds kind of alright, but then has weird design decisions like 64-bit signed integers as the largest number type but 32 bit unsigned integers as the largest unsigned integer type.

Blinkz0rz posted:

no poo poo, i don't think i've ever run into concatenation without an operator involved

python does this too.

Python code:

>>> 'dick' 'butt'
'dickbutt'

# ? Jan 26, 2017 13:30

Blinkz0rz: May 27, 2001; MY CONTEMPT FOR MY OWN EMPLOYEES IS ONLY MATCHED BY MY LOVE FOR TOM BRADY'S SWEATY MAGA BALLS

yeah i realized it exists basically everywhere but i dunno i've never seen anyone use it in practice. imo it's just a Bad Idea.

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MononcQc: May 29, 2007

I've only used it for long literal strings that I want to fit indentation structure and need to break on multiple lines.

# ? Jan 26, 2017 14:36

Cybernetic Vermin: Apr 18, 2005

speaking of inheriting things, possibly unwisely, from c, i'll just note:

printf("%f\n", atof("3.14"));
printf("%f\n", atof("1.2.3.4"));
printf("%f\n", atof("monkeys"));

3.140000
1.200000
0.000000

# ? Jan 26, 2017 14:37

Thermopyle: Jul 1, 2003; ...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. �Bertrand Russell

CommunistPancake posted:

sometimes i use node instead of bash

same except Python and it's not sometimes it's always

Bash is aggressively bad to write in for me

# ? Jan 26, 2017 15:07

Workaday Wizard: Oct 23, 2009; by Pragmatica

Thermopyle posted:

same except Python and it's not sometimes it's always

Bash is aggressively bad to write in for me

same and i hate python

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Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

bash scripting is good for very short scripts with no significant logic imo

# ? Jan 26, 2017 16:24

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
sl�gt skal f�lge sl�gters gang

Symbolic Butt posted:

bash scripting is good for very short scripts with no logic at all imo

# ? Jan 26, 2017 16:29

akadajet: Sep 14, 2003

VikingofRock posted:

The fun javascript thing that I learned today is this masterpiece:

['10', '10', '10', '10', '10'].map(parseInt)
=> [ 10, NaN, 2, 3, 4 ]

well... yeah. if you just pass random functions into map without knowing their signature you deserve what's coming to you.

# ? Jan 26, 2017 16:31

carry on then: Jul 10, 2010; by VideoGames
(and can't post for 10 years!)

Symbolic Butt posted:

bash scripting is good for very short scripts with no significant logic imo

im responsible for a 2000 line bash script that runs on mainframes

# ? Jan 26, 2017 16:32

carry on then: Jul 10, 2010; by VideoGames
(and can't post for 10 years!)

akadajet posted:

well... yeah. if you just pass random functions into map without knowing their signature you deserve what's coming to you.

ideally an error

# ? Jan 26, 2017 16:32

HappyHippo: Nov 19, 2003; Do you have an Air Miles Card?

carry on then posted:

im responsible for a 2000 line bash script that runs on mainframes

how much do you drink?

# ? Jan 26, 2017 17:32

Cybernetic Vermin: Apr 18, 2005

Symbolic Butt posted:

bash scripting is good for very short scripts with no significant logic imo

nah, i mean, yes, but you invite a future where complexity keeps building in that script despite the initial wisdom

tcl really should have played a far bigger role in the road to modern unix. not only because it was a vastly superior alternative for simple scripts (clean and simple for the truly trivial scripts, while making it possible to do advanced things if needed, but also makes it easy to dress those advanced things in dsl-like simplicity so anyone can update config and launch scripts). but also because tk was somehow as good as unix gui programming got for a long time

# ? Jan 26, 2017 17:41

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

node.js is our generations aolserver

# ? Jan 26, 2017 20:14

Moreleth: Jun 11, 2001; lego my eggo

tef posted:

node.js is our generations aolserver

Keep writing that C you smelly grognard

# ? Jan 26, 2017 20:48

the talent deficit: Dec 20, 2003; self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture

MononcQc posted:

I've only used it for long literal strings that I want to fit indentation structure and need to break on multiple lines.

i do it all the time for strings i want formatted with no newlines but with newlines in my source code, ie:

fun(_) ->
"this is a "
"string with no newlines "
"even tho it's spread "
"over multiple lines".

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