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Chairman Capone posted:That brought me to the news that there's an adaptation of Larry Niven's "Inconstant Moon" coming out. There's a '90s Outer Limits adaptation of that story with Michael Gross as the astronomer protagonist. I remember it being pretty good.
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Skwirl posted:Nah, Bay is probably Hollywood liberal, but also realizes fascism pays better. His most humanist film (The Island) was also his only commercial failure, and then he re-used clips from it in Transformers 3, his most right wing film, there's gotta be at least some self-awareness going on there. isn't his benghazi film the most right wing?
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The Saddest Rhino posted:isn't his benghazi film the most right wing?
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Casimir Radon posted:Yeah. Dumbass lawmakers were citing it as evidence that Hillary lust for the death of ARE TROOPS. Hilary is not portrayed nor even mentioned nor even implied to exist in the film, it's almost an entirely apolitical retelling of the events
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The MSJ posted:Forgot to post this one: Michael Bay's next movie will be set in a future where America's economy tanked and there is a mass migration of Americans to China. The story will be about an American-Chinese ex-Marine being hired by a Chinese billionaire to rescue his daughter in an American ghetto. This sounds loving amazing.
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Skwirl posted:Nah, Bay is probably Hollywood liberal, but also realizes fascism pays better. His most humanist film (The Island) was also his only commercial failure, and then he re-used clips from it in Transformers 3, his most right wing film, there's gotta be at least some self-awareness going on there. We're finally at the point where a grown man, aged 51, who's directed a dozen major films that are consistent aesthetically and present a fairly coherent ideology is acknowledged as being possibly self aware on the something awful forums. It's a great day.
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Guys, I think film school graduate and director of a dozen films has ... infused? his films with something just below the text. Almost like, subtext?
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What is the subtext of the resident evil and under world movies tho
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Jan 26, 2017 11:00
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"shootin' zombies is rad"
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"I have a hot wife"
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Wandle Cax posted:Hilary is not portrayed nor even mentioned nor even implied to exist in the film, it's almost an entirely apolitical retelling of the events Vilerat was changed from a PC gamer, console console gamer. Plenty political!
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Skwirl posted:Nah, Bay is probably Hollywood liberal, but also realizes fascism pays better. His most humanist film (The Island) was also his only commercial failure, and then he re-used clips from it in Transformers 3, his most right wing film, there's gotta be at least some self-awareness going on there. That's a pretty big assumption to make considering the political cluelessness of hollywood and people in general.
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Skwirl posted:Nah, Bay is probably Hollywood liberal, but also realizes fascism pays better. His most humanist film (The Island) was also his only commercial failure, and then he re-used clips from it in Transformers 3, his most right wing film, there's gotta be at least some self-awareness going on there. Wasn't that because stuntmen got injured doing the stunt and rather than do another take he just reused old footage that was close enough?
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Wandle Cax posted:Hilary is not portrayed nor even mentioned nor even implied to exist in the film, it's almost an entirely apolitical retelling of the events
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Casimir Radon posted:Not directly but there are uncaring non-soldier types there as stand-ins to confirm the fever dreams of rural morons that the Obama administration callously left them to die because reasons. I'm not accusing Bay of making right wing propaganda on purpose, but what he did make is highly irresponsible and inaccurate. That's not what happens in the film.
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Improbable Lobster posted:That's a pretty big assumption to make considering the political cluelessness of hollywood and people in general. Well, yeah, whether or not Bay is self-aware that his movies play out exactly like Paul Verhoeven's Hollywood cycle but with better cinematography is irrelevant to the ultimate dilemma, which is whether people can pay attention. For instance, 13 Hours is a spiritual sequel to Tropic Thunder.
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13 Hours is great - the running theme in the film is that all violence can be avoided if people are willing to communicate with one another. They even manage to quiet the fighting for a bit because one of their local allies asked the attackers to stop.
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K. Waste posted:Well, yeah, whether or not Bay is self-aware that his movies play out exactly like Paul Verhoeven's Hollywood cycle but with better cinematography is irrelevant to the ultimate dilemma, which is whether people can pay attention. Right, like Casmur omits that 'the uncaring nonsoldier types' criticized in the film are the motherfucking CIA. It buys into this 'pro-/anti-Hillary' narrative, when the film is not 'apolitical' but actually political - political in a sense that's distinct from idiot partisanship. The film is overtly and explicitly about how the entire concept of putting a CIA base in Libya was hosed from the beginning because of the basic ideological stance that the Libyan people are to be understood as potential enemies. There are multiple scenes underlining that there was always potential help just outside the gate of their crumbling palace. It's in that context that US air support is presented as impossibly far away. 13 Hours has basically the exact same narrative as Deepwater Horizon, with The CIA in the same role as British Petroleum. It's not a 'Republican film'.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Right, like Casmur omits that 'the uncaring nonsoldier types' criticized in the film are the motherfucking CIA. It buys into this 'pro-/anti-Hillary' narrative, when the film is not 'apolitical' but actually political - political in a sense that's distinct from idiot partisanship. And in that context "are troops" (and middle managing forums moderators or whatever) WERE hung out to dry, by sending them there in the first place and inoculating them against "going native" by teaching them that Libyans are just another virulent sand people out to get us. They were never getting anything but a Black Hawk Down scenario because that's all they expected and prepared for. HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It's a completely understated little story about having a "skin problem". The assumption is that the character was born with a genetic deformity that makes him brutal and animalistic Which iirc IS his comic backstory, complicated by his adoptive aunt (?) abusing him for his behavior issues and the social isolation she faced as the parent of a "monster"
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ISTR hearing that Bay is IRL a Republican voter and all- though I suppose even he might be thinking "Okay Trump's a bridge too far".
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There was an interview he did when 13 Hours came out where he was asked about his politics, and the only answer he would give was that he was raised in a Democrat household. Edit: found it quote:"You'll want to stay away from politics," he cautions. "I'll never talk about my politics." That said, he adds quickly, his films are "not conservative. I grew up in a Democratic household, all right? But I stay away from politics because I think a lot of the world resents Hollywood talking about politics – the normal mom-and-pops." Robot Style fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Jan 26, 2017 |
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Robot Style posted:There was an interview he did when 13 Hours came out where he was asked about his politics, and the only answer he would give was that he was raised in a Democrat household. A meaningless statement for a wealthy adult
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DeimosRising posted:Which iirc IS his comic backstory, complicated by his adoptive aunt (?) abusing him for his behavior issues and the social isolation she faced as the parent of a "monster" They do a little bit of it in the cartoon, too, with the carny motif. But SS goes right for it and racializes the concept to the degree that it contrasts him with two upwardly mobile black characters.
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Improbable Lobster posted:A meaningless statement for a wealthy adult well in the context of a discussion about whether a director is a self-avowed republican or democrat, its interesting to have a quote where Bay outright states that his films are "not conservative" & makes a point of the fact that he was raised in a democrat household.
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Something like 90% of people vote the opposite of what their parents did though.
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precision posted:Something like 90% of people vote the opposite of what their parents did though. Yeah, saying that you were raised as something doesn't mean you're still that something. Can depend on your own socioeconomic status or simply your relationship with your parents. Lots of people raised religious turn into gently caress You Dad atheists.
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you could also be meant to infer that he understands the other perspective.
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precision posted:Something like 90% of people vote the opposite of what their parents did though. This is not only untrue it's gibberish. If your parents don't vote straight ticket or change parties, what's "the opposite" of that? How could this possibly result in states that consistently vote for one party over decades? If the ideology of the parties is not static, how do you determine the "opposite" of your parents? Just total nonsense.
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precision posted:Something like 90% of people vote the opposite of what their parents did though. The only recent study I'm finding is from 2005 and it says the opposite of this, but is only for teens 13-17. 71% of teens reported sharing the same political beliefs as their parents. e: and 25% of kids with liberal parents claim to be more liberal than their parents, while 4% claim to be more conservative. MacheteZombie fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Jan 26, 2017 |
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precision posted:Something like 90% of people vote the opposite of what their parents did though. poo poo, why not say 99%?
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I have it on good authority that 100% of children do the opposite of what their parents want, therefore,
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dont even fink about it posted:I have it on good authority that 100% of children do the opposite of what their parents want, therefore, We can save the world by all voting for trump then breeding like crazy
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I'll admit it wasn't a good joke, but was it that hard to identify as a joke?
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precision posted:I'll admit it wasn't a good joke, but was it that hard to identify as a joke? Your name tricked me!
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precision posted:I'll admit it wasn't a good joke, but was it that hard to identify as a joke? Sorry I live in a world where Trump is president and alt facts are a thing. I get jumpy.
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precision posted:I'll admit it wasn't a good joke, but was it that hard to identify as a joke? Goons
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Jan 26, 2017 23:43
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We can no longer afford jokes. This is not one of said jokes.
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I seemed to remember reading somewhere that the Transformers made during the Bush years have a president who is very proactive and a bit of an action hero, while the transformer movies made during Obama's time as president feature a president who is cowardly and stupid. I don't know how true this is because I stopped watching the Transformer movies ages ago.
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Madkal posted:I seemed to remember reading somewhere that the Transformers made during the Bush years have a president who is very proactive and a bit of an action hero, while the transformer movies made during Obama's time as president feature a president who is cowardly and stupid. I don't know how true this is because I stopped watching the Transformer movies ages ago. a grand total of one transformers movie came out during the bush administration and iirc the president wasn't even a character in it so i dunno what you read but you're probably misremembering something
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