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Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
Centers are also less likely to stretch the floor, although more and more of them are starting to take threes (Boogie, KAT, Embiid).

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Mr. Mambold
Feb 13, 2011

Aha. Nice post.



Cool Buff Man posted:

Woj confirmed Kanter broke his forearm. What a dipshit.

Insh'allah

Doltos
Dec 28, 2005

🤌🤌🤌

zoux posted:

Can anyone articulate the difference between a PF and a C in the modern game?

Centers are seen as players with poor lateral movement but excellent physical presence. You won't see them go out farther from the paint to guard people as they will typically be patrolling around the lower blocks. Through being big and tall with the ability to somewhat jump, a classical center will guard the rim and the area about three feet from the basket to protect against close up shots. Inversely they will be around this area on the offensive side in order to get easy layups and dunks, and thus forcing a player on the opposing team to occupy them on defense away from the guards and forwards.

Power forwards are seen as the more athletic version of centers. They will be asked to crash the basket for rebounds, as in using their athleticism to run and jump past stationary rebounders. On defense they typically will guard the pick and roll and higher blocks, or the weakside of the formation (the side where the ball isn't on). Power forwards are expected to have an inside/out game where they can shoot with range or close in for dunks/layups, typically through using their legs to gain position from a farther space away from the basket.

In all honesty though either position can feature athletic big men that can guard a variety of positions while having a dual threat offensive game. It's just more common to see more graceful, athletic big men who are shorter (6'8 to 6'11 typically) than 7 footers.

straight up brolic
Jan 31, 2007

After all, I was nice in ball,
Came to practice weed scented
Report card like the speed limit

:homebrew::homebrew::homebrew:

Wrote some more formal words on the All-Star Game selections

http://thesportsquotient.com/nba/2017/1/27/an-alternative-fact-guide-to-the-nba-coaches-all-star-selections

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

A center is the guy who guards the other center

tanglewood1420
Oct 28, 2010

The importance of this mission cannot be overemphasized

Athanatos posted:

Just get rid of positions and take the best players; if your all star roster is all guards, then so be it.

After dumping all the various votes into a spreadsheet, if the voting was by the same format but positionless (obviously not perfectly replicable of how people would vote if the rules were different, but hey...) and the votes decided all 12 players including the reserves, the teams would be:

EAST

Irving
Thomas
DeRozan
Lebron
Giannis

Butler, Love, Embiid, Wade, Porzingis, Lowry, Melo

WEST

Curry
Harden
Westbrook
Kawhi
Durant

Davis, Cousins, Draymond, Zaza (lol), CP3, Klay, Gasol

pubic works project
Jan 28, 2005

No Decepticon in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.

Henchman of Santa posted:

Centers are also less likely to stretch the floor, although more and more of them are starting to take threes (Boogie, KAT, Embiid).

Please don't forget 2017 Rising Stars Challenge MVP Myles Turner tia.

Mr. Mambold
Feb 13, 2011

Aha. Nice post.





Boozer: Sharpie me up, fam.
Barber: Say no more.

Good article, might need some punctuational and syntac-tac-tactical help.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
jesus christ, Kanter's out close to 2 months. What a stupid stupid thing

Bush Did Outer Heaven
Jan 18, 2005

The Sweetest Payne
https://twitter.com/KCJHoop/status/825040425962573825

not.great.bob

Mr. Mambold posted:

Can't they put a cast on it so he can maybe get back on court in a few weeks and do ~some other stupid thing~?

the reign of king joffrey has begun

Bush Did Outer Heaven fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Jan 27, 2017

Mr. Mambold
Feb 13, 2011

Aha. Nice post.



Tae posted:

jesus christ, Kanter's out close to 2 months. What a stupid stupid thing

Can't they put a cast on it so he can maybe get back on court in a few weeks and do ~some other stupid thing~?

WhyteRyce
Dec 30, 2001

Kings almost rid of Matt Barnes! Free Omri!

https://twitter.com/NYDailyNews/status/825041533766365184

Paul Zuvella
Dec 7, 2011

euphronius posted:

A center is the guy who guards the other center

Unironically, this is actually how I define basketball positions.

WhyteRyce
Dec 30, 2001

Rondo...still not giving a gently caress
https://twitter.com/KCJHoop/status/825043044558897152

Libertine
Jun 21, 2004

When I die, I hope they say I made the eSports industry a better place than I made millions of dollars.
When you aren't worth a single dollar that you are making, I imagine you are lot more lenient about losing it frivolously.

Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008

https://twitter.com/NickFriedell/status/825034266266443777
https://twitter.com/NickFriedell/status/825034401859895298
https://twitter.com/KCJHoop/status/825034888978001920
https://twitter.com/670TheScore/status/825035321083564032
https://twitter.com/CodyWesterlund/status/825035055051526149
https://twitter.com/NickFriedell/status/825038472142532609
https://twitter.com/highkin/status/825044981857542144

Someone please remix this song with shots of Gar Forman eating a sandwich.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBjTZqYSJTI

Paul Zuvella
Dec 7, 2011

Everyone in the bulls needs to be fired. Coaches, GMs, Players. Like this is the first time I can honestly say a team needs to be completely undone.

Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008

https://twitter.com/KCJHoop/status/825037062390824962
https://twitter.com/CodyWesterlund/status/825046591732117504

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

god qb
me
jay hova
I can't believe I was worried the Bulls wouldn't be entertaining this year

Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008

Also Gar Forman is such a loving coward. Ran off and refused to answer questions while all the players and head coach did. I'd trash Paxson too but I don't even think he shows up to work much.

Libertine
Jun 21, 2004

When I die, I hope they say I made the eSports industry a better place than I made millions of dollars.
Just goes to show you can't have tres alphas, one has to reign supreme.

MOVIE MAJICK
Jan 4, 2012

by Pragmatica

Paul Zuvella posted:

Unironically, this is actually how I define basketball positions.

What if your center guards the other teams center guards your powerfoward the powerfoward guards the small forward?

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

I mean, the rest of this drama is pretty lol, but these kinds of things are just trying to get people in trouble. Of course a star player is going to say he is influencing how the team is coached and of course the coaching staff isn't going to say certain players have more sway than others. It's like that stupid thing when people make a big deal about consulting with players over coaching picks. If you're paying a guy $30 million because he is one of the best basketball players ever, his input is pretty valuable on coaching, but in order for your locker room to work you can't go out and say "Lebron/whoever has veto power over this hire". A double standard here exists so everyone can save a little face.

I mean, the organization is a giant tire fire right now and Hoiberg is woefully not cut out to keep the ship straight, but I'd rather crucify him for the stuff he actually does wrong than this.

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe
If Kanter didn't actually break anything in his hand it seems super lucky. Forearm seems like it'll heal way better than hand.

Paul Zuvella
Dec 7, 2011

MOVIE MAJICK posted:

What if your center guards the other teams center guards your powerfoward the powerfoward guards the small forward?

Then you're the Milwaukee Bucks.

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.
Bleacher Report made an All-Snubbed Team.

Paul Zuvella
Dec 7, 2011

To be honest, the idea that Draymond Green is an allstar over Rudy Gobert or KAT is pretty laughable.

pubic works project
Jan 28, 2005

No Decepticon in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.
I'm just sitting over here, eating my popcorn, and watching this trainwreck that is the Bulls franchise. It's glorious.

sd6
Jan 14, 2008

This has all been posted before, and it will all be posted again
I hope this drama leads to garpax getting shown the door, but it wont because Reinsdorf does not give a single gently caress

Paul Zuvella
Dec 7, 2011

I don't see how anyone survives this, Reinsdorf or no Reinsdorf.

Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008

Paul Zuvella posted:

I don't see how anyone survives this, Reinsdorf or no Reinsdorf.

Jerry Reinsdorf doesn't fire his friends.

Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008

Also Jimmy is starting to sound like the cancer in this organization and that's tough with trash like Gar Forman in it.

Jack's Flow
Jun 6, 2003

Life, friends, is boring
Remember the olden days, when the three alphas managed to hit a couple of 3-pointers and people decided, for two weeks, that it might be sustainable? Yeah, that sucked. THIS is much more fun.

xbilkis
Apr 11, 2005

god qb
me
jay hova

Niwrad posted:

Also Jimmy is starting to sound like the cancer in this organization and that's tough with trash like Gar Forman in it.

I've pinpointed our issue...the guy who was the 30th pick in the draft who has worked himself into becoming a top-10 player. Ok that might sound like he's not that bad but he complained about his lovely teammates and coach and he's friends with Mark Wahlberg

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

¡Hola SEA!


You can't be a center if you aren't the heaviest player in a lineup, it's short for center of gravity. Big baby and Oliver miller innovated positionless basketball



Wait wait wait wait wait....Marc Gasol is shooting 40% from three on 4 attempts a game but only averaging 5 rebounds??

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

Paul Zuvella posted:

To be honest, the idea that Draymond Green is an allstar over Rudy Gobert or KAT is pretty laughable.

I can definitely see the argument for Gobert over him, but Draymond is better than KAT. And this is coming from a huge KAT fan. Durant obviously has suppressed the offense of a lot of other Golden State players, but Draymond seems a better fit than Klay (though one is a G the other a F).

KAT will be better than Draymond probably pretty soon, but right now Draymond would help almost any team more than KAT would.

Doltos
Dec 28, 2005

🤌🤌🤌
My general impression is of NBA players is that they either have too much confidence or no confidence at all and then there's a floating nexus in the middle sustained by the powers of zbo and scalabrine

Hashtag Banterzone
Dec 8, 2005


Lifetime Winner of the willkill4food Honorary Bad Posting Award in PWM
Memphis is #4 in DRB% and #10 in ORB%. They don't need Gasol to get more rebounds.

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

DeimosRising posted:

Wait wait wait wait wait....Marc Gasol is shooting 40% from three on 4 attempts a game but only averaging 5 rebounds??

A lot of it is scheme. Memphis is the 4th best at preventing opponents from getting ORBs. They don't need Marc Gasol crashing in for the ball. Zach Randolph is still really, really good at that already.

efb by HB. DRB is basically the same as opponent ORB.

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Metapod
Mar 18, 2012

Lockback posted:

I can definitely see the argument for Gobert over him, but Draymond is better than KAT. And this is coming from a huge KAT fan. Durant obviously has suppressed the offense of a lot of other Golden State players, but Draymond seems a better fit than Klay (though one is a G the other a F).

KAT will be better than Draymond probably pretty soon, but right now Draymond would help almost any team more than KAT would.

It's as if Durant doesn't pass the ball

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