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twistedmentat posted:I'm pretty sure Pheonix destroyed that world on her own with no influence from Mastermind. Heck, apparently Emma played a part in it too.
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Also the Phoenix realized destroying worlds was pretty hosed up and at least tried to commit suicide over it.
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BrianWilly posted:Well he didn't tell her to go do that or anything, but the exact specific reason Jean went from regular ol' Jean Phoenix into crazy out-of-control Dark Phoenix was because of Mastermind's mind-control scheme. Like, that was the literal direct cause. You're right, I forgot the timeline. For some reason I thought Phoenix ate the star before the Hellfire Club stuff, rather than after. And it was a great character moment that Jean/Pheonix (as Claremont had not intended this to be some kind of clone the Phoenix created, but actually Jean at the time) for her to be so overcome with remorse during the battle with the Imperial Guard that she straight up kills herself. Unlike a hero who goes bad due to some alien influence like say Hal Jordan, it was good writing to show there was no way Jean was going to come back from destroying that star and the civilization. Though I can't help but wonder if Claremont really did never intend for Jean to come back, i mean the drat thing was called the Phoenix and if there is anything people know about that bird, it's it comes back to life. Yes this was the origin of the whole thing, but it's not like it dies, comes back, dies again and ever comes back, the mythical beast is a continues cycle of death and rebirth. Though now I'm getting a South Park like "You killed Jean!" "You Bastards!" kind of thing. Relevant to this, I am always annoyed how the movies always have the Phoenix being this dark side of Jean that is always there, rather than an external force. But then I've realized the X-men movies are more about explaining aspects of their characters rather than adapting stories about the characters.
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She wasn't supposed to die editorial mandate did that.
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Doesn't Nova watch the Phoenix eat a goddamn planet in the lead up to AvX? The text of the event shows us both through actual planet-eating and through the characters' reactions to the incoming Phoenix that the thing is a threatening cosmic force.
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Squizzle posted:Doesn't Nova watch the Phoenix eat a goddamn planet in the lead up to AvX? The text of the event shows us both through actual planet-eating and through the characters' reactions to the incoming Phoenix that the thing is a threatening cosmic force.
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Maxwell Adams posted:I want IvX to focus on whether or not Black Bolt knew that the terrigen cloud would kill mutants. Hopefully that's where they're going next, with Black Bolt being held. The concept of someone actually trying to question Black Bolt, and make him talk, is pretty interesting. It only did so after Secret Wars, because Marvel needed a new storyline for X-Men and Inhumans both, so it would have to be a retcon anway.
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it'll probably end up being that someone else tampered with the cloud to make it dangerous for mutants, thus giving the x-men and inhumans a common enemy
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Turns out the Terrigen mists are Sublime.
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Cant they just bottle the cloud.
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they could forge was doing exactly that when they blew up his machine in ivx, tho he was following it up by... crystallizing it? I forget but he wasn't just sucking it out of the air
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This is all going to somehow be Beast's fault.
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Manatee Cannon posted:they could so you mean he was returning the Terrigan Mists to the Terrigan Crystal's, In short, restoring the status quo of what the Inhumans had before? Truly those X-Men extremists are the real monsters.
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Onmi posted:so you mean he was returning the Terrigan Mists to the Terrigan Crystal's, In short, restoring the status quo of what the Inhumans had before? IvX #3 posted:Iso: Looks like you're planning to pull in all the terrigen gas, then compress it into a soild state so you can incinerate it safely. Grey Area fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Jan 30, 2017 |
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Lurdiak posted:Turns out the Terrigen mists are Sublime. Man, having to potentially turn into a monster while listening to lovely music is a fate worse than death.
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Endless Mike posted:Man, having to potentially turn into a monster while listening to lovely music is a fate worse than death. 
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Rhonne posted:This is all going to somehow be Beast's fault. Forge is probably one of the few people that Beast can actually look down upon: 
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Endless Mike posted:Man, having to potentially turn into a monster while listening to lovely music is a fate worse than death. It's certainly the Wrong Way to go.
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Guys, guys, guys... For the 'What If' AvX issue, tell me you wouldn't want to read... "What If Peter Parker Received The Phoenix Force Instead of the X-Men???"
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JohnnyCanuck posted:Guys, guys, guys... For the 'What If' AvX issue, tell me you wouldn't want to read... That came so close to happening in the Spider-man and Wolverine mini-series.
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JohnnyCanuck posted:Guys, guys, guys... For the 'What If' AvX issue, tell me you wouldn't want to read... I now know what topic I'll be sending several emails to the Newspaper Spider-Man people about.
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Jan 31, 2017 01:19
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Newspaper Phoenix will be a sassy bird that talks and has the power to level several square feet of property.
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Lurdiak posted:That came so close to happening in the Spider-man and Wolverine mini-series. For so long I thought it was literally just a bonus costume they made up for [iEnter Electro[/i].
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Alhazred posted:Forge is probably one of the few people that Beast can actually look down upon: Did they every redeem Forge from that or did they just decide to ignore it?
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JohnnyCanuck posted:Guys, guys, guys... For the 'What If' AvX issue, tell me you wouldn't want to read... Well it fits the What If criteria of killing Spidey at some point.
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Rick posted:Did they every redeem Forge from that or did they just decide to ignore it? I wanna say something something something ghost box? It wasn't my favorite Warren Ellis work.
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Rick posted:Did they every redeem Forge from that or did they just decide to ignore it? They basically didn't use him for about five years and then he showed up as part of X-Force (the 2013 Cable & X-Force series by Dennis Hopeless) where initially it was just "Forge is back, buildin' stuff" but at some point they revealed Cable tracked down crazy Forge and used his telepathy to make him think his broken mind was a machine, and Forge fixed his own brain.
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That's pretty cool actually.
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Yeah I really liked that series and that in particular was a cool way of doing that.
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Edge & Christian posted:Little bit of both? That series redeemed Forge with his bickering with Dr. Nemesis alone.
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JohnnyCanuck posted:Guys, guys, guys... For the 'What If' AvX issue, tell me you wouldn't want to read... I thought Spider Phoenix already happened in the 80s or 90s
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Gatts posted:I thought Spider Phoenix already happened in the 80s or 90s It was a silly one issue thing.
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Rhyno posted:It was a silly one issue thing. Just read up on it might have been an illusion by Arcade.
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I wonder what the status of the Ultraverse rights are. Wasn't it a 20 year deal? Marvel bought them in 1995 and the line was scuttled in Fen of 1997.
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Rhyno posted:I wonder what the status of the Ultraverse rights are. Wasn't it a 20 year deal? Marvel bought them in 1995 and the line was scuttled in Fen of 1997. Yeah, I'm sure someone's just waiting to get their hands on those Prime rights after the recent revelation about Gerard Jones.
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Rhyno posted:I wonder what the status of the Ultraverse rights are. Wasn't it a 20 year deal? Marvel bought them in 1995 and the line was scuttled in Fen of 1997. Didn't Starlin get in trouble for using an Ultraverse character in his Thanos book from 2006-ish?
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Lurdiak posted:It's certainly the Wrong Way to go. I read this as "Wong" way, thought it was some kind of pun, and couldn't think of what Dr. Strange story this was referencing.
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X-O posted:Yeah, I'm sure someone's just waiting to get their hands on those Prime rights after the recent revelation about Gerard Jones. Oh poo poo, the first issue of Prime has a bit about pedophiles in it.
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Rhyno posted:Oh poo poo, the first issue of Prime has a bit about pedophiles in it. That whole premise throws up a lot of signals in retrospect.
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X-O posted:That whole premise throws up a lot of signals in retrospect. GOD drat IT MY MEMORIES
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