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If only Amy Trask were still with the Raiders. She would have gotten this poo poo done a long time ago. Also, fwiw https://twitter.com/AmyTrask/status/826261867286835201
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If the Raiders moved to San Diego, twice a year rabid Raider fans could swarm over the stadium. So, you know, no change from the last couple years.
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Glass of Milk posted:If the Raiders moved to San Diego, twice a year rabid Raider fans could swarm over the stadium.  I don't think you know how scheduling works.
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Ron Jeremy posted:If only Amy Trask were still with the Raiders. She would have gotten this poo poo done a long time ago. If Davis isn't going to sell some of his ownership stake to Sheldon Adelson to get to Vegas, why would he sell some of his ownership stake to the Lott group to stay in Oakland?
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Chichevache posted:
You're forgetting the yearly swarm of raider fans that converge for no reason. Or maybe I don't know how scheduling works. I'm not used to this ok
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Glass of Milk posted:You're forgetting the yearly swarm of raider fans that converge for no reason. You play the other teams in your own division twice a year - once at home and once away. You don't play any other team more than once unless you meet in the playoffs (and you can only meet another team in the other conference a second time in the superbowl). So, while the Chargers and the Raiders are in the same division and thus play twice a year, they would only play once in any putative Raiders home game in San Diego or wherever. But also if the Raiders were in San Diego then presumably all their home games would be swarmed by Raiders fans so your post makes no sense in that direction either? Are you suggesting they'd only be swarmed by Raiders fans in San Diego when they were playing the LA Chargers, for some reason?
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Sooooo what about all that talk of how great a GM Mark Davis is? Can't believe he hosed this up.
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I'm really glad it looks like the raiders will be staying in California  Teams moving for cynical capitalists motives should never be tolerated. It's only OK when teams leave lovely places full of terrible white people, like seattle
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Just like when the thread was certain the raiders were going to LV, you guys are being way too premature with your "I guess the deal is dead" thing. LV is still a strong possibility and Goldman Sachs has not publicaly and officially stated that they won't fund a stadium period. There is negotiation to be had, and if GS really is out, another financier may be a possibility. Just calm down and wait.
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How long till they move to St Louis?
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kiimo posted:Sooooo what about all that talk of how great a GM Mark Davis is? The NFL should swap Mark Davis and Jed York. If there is one thing I am confident York can do, it's figure out how to build a stadium where people will melt in the heat.
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The Glumslinger posted:How long till they move to St Louis? The only way I'd probably stop being a raiders fan
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Skwirl posted:Mexico City Raiders here we come. Won't get through the wall.
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Blitz7x posted:The only way I'd probably stop being a raiders fan Ironically the only place with an acceptable stadium.
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LA Raiders or I keep pretending I care about the Cardinals once or twice a year.
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got any sevens posted:Won't get through the wall. Seriously. We've got a player named Jihad for crissake
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Move them way out - Quartzsite or Blythe.
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Leperflesh posted:If Davis isn't going to sell some of his ownership stake to Sheldon Adelson to get to Vegas, why would he sell some of his ownership stake to the Lott group to stay in Oakland? I don't know the answer but in her defense she does say compromise from both parties.
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Well, Nevada politicians are already releasing statements threatening to re-dedicate that money, so if Davis can pull anyone in we should know in a day or two.
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Banks don't finance 1b+ in term loan A type debt anymore. They would get annihilated by the Feds when it came time to get their scorecard. If GS was going to be involved it would be for a smaller tranche they held and a ton of securitised debt they sold at rates investors would buy it at--a price the muni area probably doesn't want to be on the hook for. Stadium deals generally yield 1.08, which is a lot for a non-general obligation fund.
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Leperflesh posted:You play the other teams in your own division twice a year - once at home and once away. You don't play any other team more than once unless you meet in the playoffs (and you can only meet another team in the other conference a second time in the superbowl). No I just forgot that I don't have a team here anymore.
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SD is such a better city without an NFL team u you loving r-words (retards). Christ. gently caress off. They're gone. Do literally ANYTHING ELSE. I'ma watch the SB and have a great time. SDSU B1TCH. Loser Chargers Homers can go and live in Carson (ahhahahaha) May they all die screaming.
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Blitz7x posted:Monterrey Bay Mud Pirates Pelican Bay Raiders. They'll be closer to their most loyal fans that way.
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Time posted:Banks don't finance 1b+ in term loan A type debt anymore. They would get annihilated by the Feds when it came time to get their scorecard. So basically Mark Davis is an idiot? I mean, we already knew this, but perhaps an even bigger idiot than we thought? This leaves them with two options, both of which are hilarious. Option 1 is the Raiders go crawling back to Oakland and play in the poo poo infested coliseum, or go crawling back to Adelson to give him an ownership stake. This is going to rule.
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Or go to San Diego which would rule I mean lmao think of Dean spanos'face when he realizes he's about to lose like 50% of whatever fans he thought he would retain in SD
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Chinatown posted:SD is such a better city without an NFL team u you loving r-words (retards). This is, almost 100%, what it's like talking to a Raiders fan in SD. Just needs a lil more random Mexican slang peppered in there.
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Word is they aren't giving up. I guess they have until the vote in March to try to get it together. Can one of the people who likes football explain to someone who doesn't, why the Raiders want to pay a $550MM relocation fee to grab $750MM of taxpayer money? I get the need for a bank/local rich guy either way, but if they remained in Northern California they automatically have $550,000,000 more in their budget to build with? I get that the Coliseum sucks, I've watched a lot of baseball on a football field there. But if Mark is committing half a billion for relocation ransom and half a billion in construction... well, Levi's cost $1.3 billion. I don't know why a stadium in Vegas (where construction is rampant and cheap, the media market is small, and there are no super wealthy tech-bros) needs to cost 25% more.
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Craptacular! posted:Word is they aren't giving up. I guess they have until the vote in March to try to get it together. The relocation figure you're referring to was the one the NFL put on Spanos and Kroenke for their moves to LA. It's dictated by the NFL each time based on the circumstances. We have no idea what an LV relocation fee would be yet, but it should be pointed out that Kroenke and Spanos are both billionaires, and both stood to gain a lot by getting into LA, so the relocation fee reflected that.
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Coldforge posted:What's the word for, your own world is burning down all around you, but at least you can enjoy the fact that the assholes across the bay are also suffering a bit? Some next level Schadenfreude
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Craptacular! posted:Can one of the people who likes football explain to someone who doesn't, why the Raiders want to pay a $550MM relocation fee to grab $750MM of taxpayer money? I get the need for a bank/local rich guy either way, but if they remained in Northern California they automatically have $550,000,000 more in their budget to build with? If someone was willing to loan me the $550m, since I don't have it, I would absolutely pay $550m to receive $750m. Why are you even asking? That's a free $200m.
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More to the point, selling a stadium full of Personal Seat Licenses will be a windfall of close to a billion dollars, and that doesn't happen unless there's a new stadium somewhere. Spanos' problem was that he wanted more than that -- he wanted to be able to develop the land surrounding the stadium for even more dollars, but he could only do that if the Chargers moved downtown since the city owns all the land surrounding the Mission Valley site.
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Akileese posted:So basically Mark Davis is an idiot? I mean, we already knew this, but perhaps an even bigger idiot than we thought? This leaves them with two options, both of which are hilarious. Option 1 is the Raiders go crawling back to Oakland and play in the poo poo infested coliseum, or go crawling back to Adelson to give him an ownership stake. This is going to rule. He was probably expecting them to use their relationships to find another backing group to lead the deal. Goldman 100% want this to happen because of advisory fees. It just looks like the directors on the deal can't find someone willing to shoulder the brunt of it. Selling bonds is another way this could still happen but it would require another vote. I'm not following this at all I just procedurally know how stadium financing works, so I don't know what the political will for that would be.
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Craptacular! posted:I don't know why a stadium in Vegas (where construction is rampant and cheap, the media market is small, and there are no super wealthy tech-bros) needs to cost 25% more. You have to hire somebody to dig all the holes in the desert. Dr_Strangelove posted:Pelican Bay Raiders. They'll be closer to their most loyal fans that way. Move to San Luis Obispo so I can make SLO Raider Fan jokes.
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Tricky Ed posted:Spanos' problem was that he wanted more than that -- he wanted to be able to develop the land surrounding the stadium for even more dollars, but he could only do that if the Chargers moved downtown since the city owns all the land surrounding the Mission Valley site. Spanos' problem was that he wanted LA all to himself and when the league spurned him for Kroenke, Spanos decided to move no matter what to spite the NFL. They knew that downtown was never going to happen so they insisted that was the only option then never promoted it in order to make a case for their 'trying' to stay.
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Still mostly quiet as we wait for the owners meeting next month, but there's been some news.quote:There was some news last week that the group lead by Ronnie Lott which is pursuing the last minute “Save Oakland” deal for a Raiders stadium in the Bay Area was being bought out. The Japanese based SoftBank is indeed purchasing the Fortress Investment Group for $3.3 billion dollars. http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2017/2/20/14678856/oakland-fortress-group-sells-to-softbank-says-stadium-deal-wont-be-effected-by-sale quote:LAS VEGAS (FOX5) -
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