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axelord posted:Man he's freaking Superman you guys are the one saying catching a truck was impossible come on. so again this all comes back to coming into the movie already with expectations on what superman is and is not allowed to be and acting incredulous when the movie doesn't align with an argeement it never made in the first place
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Ferrinus posted:Honestly, I don't even think he realized it'd explode until it was too late. If he had he wouldn't be horrified the moment it did behind him. Superman has, to his horror, discovered he's in the Snyderverse. axelord posted:Man he's freaking Superman you guys are the one saying catching a truck was impossible come on. Then your argument should be "he could do it in other media so he should be able to do it here". And we could say "This is a the movie that takes great pains to show you that this guy isn't the Superman from other media yet." And everyone is happy and we all have cake and ice cream together. Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Feb 1, 2017 |
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Brother Entropy posted:so again this all comes back to coming into the movie already with expectations on what superman is and is not allowed to be and acting incredulous when the movie doesn't align with an argeement it never made in the first place So Superman destroys a massive World Engine that was threatening all human life on the opposite side of the world. Fly's to Metropolis in time to save Lois falling from an airplane. But you believe catching a Truck is impossible for him? That's what is being argued in this thread. Again all I'm saying is thinking Superman doesn't care about collateral damage is something you can take away from the movie. axelord fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Feb 1, 2017 |
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Feb 1, 2017 22:59
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K. Waste posted:Your preferred hypothetical scenario is inadmissible as evidence against Man of Steel. Nobody is debating your hypothesis that Clark catching the tanker and then doing something-something is better than his knee-jerk reaction in the film, because it's a worthless, shallow debate. Right, like i said, it's a scene of him not really caring enough to protect them. Collateral damage is not his concern.
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Feb 1, 2017 23:00
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axelord posted:So Superman destroys a massive World Engine that was threatening all human life on the opposite side of the world. Fly's to Metropolis in time to save Lois falling from an airplane. what's to 'believe'? the movie is right there, showing that superman is capable of great things but his reflexes aren't honed enough that he sees a truck flying at his face and instinctively goes 'yeah i got this, no prob' and that feels totally in line with a superman who's never had to go all out before in his life
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Right, like i said, it's a scene of him not really caring enough to protect them. Collateral damage is not his concern.
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Feb 1, 2017 23:13
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Martman posted:Nah, not really. So how much damage can a Kryptonian take? That lady got knocked out with some standard Earth missles.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Right, like i said, it's a scene of him not really caring enough to protect them. Collateral damage is not his concern. It is a scene of him caring so much that he gets his rear end kicked for it.
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Right before that, Superman has damaged her helmet. Just like with Zod, she's suddenly exposed to her super-senses for the first time and gets overwhelmed. That plus the sound of the missile is enough it looks like.
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Shageletic posted:So how much damage can a Kryptonian take? That lady got knocked out with some standard Earth missles. As per BvS, an ICBM will render a Kryptonian unconscious and heavily damaged physically until they soak in enough sun to regenerate.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Right, like i said, it's a scene of him not really caring enough to protect them. Collateral damage is not his concern. Behaving reactively in a hostile situation is not apathy. We have no reason to believe that "catching" the tanker would have resulted in less carnage, because his opponent could have just proceeded to doing something even worse, catching Clark off-guard, using his instincts against him, whatever. The scene as it actually plays out is motivated to elaborate how out of his depth Clark is, and how the consequences of this have nothing to do with his callousness or failure to protect people, but with the extreme prejudice of his opponent, and the limitations of ironically 'ordinary people' compelled to do extraordinary things. Snyder is neither trying to elaborate a reactionary power fantasy, but merely doesn't get 'tone,' nor is he constructing a low-hurdle 'satire' of de-mystifying Superman. You are misinterpreting the scene because you are judging it based on visceral reaction to superficial content, rather than undertaking even a basic appreciation of context. Clark did not catch the tanker, not because he "didn't care" for a second, but because the point of the scene is that the events of the film have escalated rapidly and violently beyond Clark's control.
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I think it's really too bad that BvS obviously meant to create this kind of debate, that will likely rage on for years, but the movie is mostly considered a failure.
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K. Waste posted:Behaving reactively in a hostile situation is not apathy. We have no reason to believe that "catching" the tanker would have resulted in less carnage, because his opponent could have just proceeded to doing something even worse, catching Clark off-guard, using his instincts against him, whatever. I mean like I said before, what you're articulating here reads to me as the kind of apologia for violent men that make tough choices for the greater good that I find kinda gross so I prefer my Superman as Ugly American reading.
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Reminder: Huge nerd Snyder has a spreadsheet of what physical trauma feels like to a Kryptonian. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOJj2zw2goM&t=416s On one of the BvS extras they say that Batman's automated turrets shooting Superman felt like him getting hit by baseballs thrown at 60mph. Ouch! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVr8vnq9-vo&t=96s
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Reminder: Huge nerd Snyder has a spreadsheet of what physical trauma feels like to a Kryptonian. lol that's amazing
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axelord posted:Again all I'm saying is thinking Superman doesn't care about collateral damage is something you can take away from the movie. You can take anything away from any movie, if you are sufficiently inattentive, inept, or dishonest. Like this: Uncle Boogeyman posted:I mean like I said before, what you're articulating here reads to me as the kind of apologia for violent men that make tough choices for the greater good that I find kinda gross so I prefer my Superman as Ugly American reading. which is openly picking a reading of the film based on which conclusion is aesthetically prefered instead of what's in the movie itself. That said, that reading is also wrong. Superman isn't Jack Bauer, committing evil for the sake of some larger good. That would be only be the case if the collateral damage was something that Superman himself caused, some tradeoff he accepted, instead of something he was merely unable to prevent. And of course, what's being argued for, the fantasy of the perfectly surgical airstrike, is at least as ugly. As much as we all love Age of Ultron, not every movie needs the joke where Tony Stark buys a building while Hulk is in the middle of smashing him through it.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:I mean like I said before, what you're articulating here reads to me as the kind of apologia for violent men that make tough choices for the greater good that I find kinda gross so I prefer my Superman as Ugly American reading. if superman is america then who are the kryptonians?
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axelord posted:But you believe catching a Truck is impossible for him? No, you are getting confused. What is being argued in the thread is that it's impossible for the truck to be undamaged. Superman comics have always, up to this point, relied on a cartoon logic where Superman can lift a plane wing and not have it snap in half. This is not true in the film.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:No, you are getting confused. It's not even that. It's that in the middle of a life-or-death struggle, where the consequences of miscalculation would be instant death and the annihilation of the entire world, Superman's split-second decision not to attempt a risky stop of a careening fuel truck means he doesn't care about collateral damage. Theme of the movie: Superman is a new superhero. He is inconsistent at Supermanning, but has a good heart. Hot take: The movie is a lie. Superman is actually quite good at Supermanning, and pretends to be bad because he has evil in his heart.
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teagone posted:As per BvS, an ICBM will render a Kryptonian unconscious and heavily damaged physically until they soak in enough sun to regenerate. One of the best scenes ever in a comic book film and it's what like 20 seconds total?
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:It's not even that. It's that in the middle of a life-or-death struggle, where the consequences of miscalculation would be instant death and the annihilation of the entire world, Superman's split-second decision not to attempt a risky stop of a careening fuel truck means he doesn't care about collateral damage. Same situation; the plane wing is a metaphor. The point is that Superman is being blamed for problems with reality itself: "How come airplanes are fragile?", "How come I have to poop after I eat?", etc.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:No, you are getting confused. That was a good touch in Superman Returns, as he struggles to hold the plane together as much as catch it.
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Snowman_McK posted:That was a good touch in Superman Returns, as he struggles to hold the plane together as much as catch it. I remember comparing that to Reeves' Superman holding a helicopter by a strut with no structural deformation. That looked weird to me even before I got into engineering.
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dublish posted:I remember comparing that to Reeves' Superman holding a helicopter by a strut with no structural deformation. That looked weird to me even before I got into engineering. The comics (of course) explain this stuff with a technobabble about forcefields, at least post 80s reboot.
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DeimosRising posted:The comics (of course) explain this stuff with a technobabble about forcefields, at least post 80s reboot. It's passive TK or some such nonsense.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It's passive TK or some such nonsense. ~tactile telekinesis~
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It's passive TK or some such nonsense. Yeah and it's a Byrne idea, right? He projects a telekinetic forcefield around things he touches, so planes don't fragment when he stops them, everyone inside doesn't die from the g forces of instant deceleration, when he flies carrying a kitten it doesn't burst into flames, or whatever
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Tactile Telekinesis, The Speed Force, and 20 Other Unnecessary Elaborations To Pretend Absurd Power Fantasies Are Grounded In A Realistic World
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DeimosRising posted:Yeah and it's a Byrne idea, right? He projects a telekinetic forcefield around things he touches, so planes don't fragment when he stops them, everyone inside doesn't die from the g forces of instant deceleration, when he flies carrying a kitten it doesn't burst into flames, or whatever Yeah it's one of Byrne's deals. He had as many misteps as he had good ideas. He's also the guy that made Superman be sent across the universe in a Krypton Birthing Chamber as a fetus, so that when the rocket arrived on Earth his gestation was finished. He was actually born on Earth so he was a ~real American~
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:John Byrne was an rear end in a top hat, quite frankly. I hope you don't think I support his lovely nativist Superman origin.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:John Byrne was an rear end in a top hat, quite frankly. That's the universal opinion I thought
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Anyone wanna talk about how bad "Justice League: Dark" was? JLD is TERRIBLE. It's an hour of poo poo. I've got no idea of where they were going with it, or what exactly it was doing. Like someone just said, "Hey, let's spend an hour name dropping and I don't really want to write a story so I don't know, put Constantine in there, too. Oh, and have Deadman fall in love with a house." The only neat part sort of was Batman fighting the poison poo poo demon at the hospital. It was only neat in theory, not in practice, though. I'd rather watch an hour of Press Secretary Spicer try to pretend the Women's March didn't exist, and weasel out of admitting a team of Navy SEALs killed an 8-year old girl than watch more poo poo like this. Drifter fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Feb 2, 2017 |
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The more I think about Byrne, the more I feel like he was a really solid artist in the right place in the right time and had no good ideas. Byrne has a good story where Superman kills Zod, Ursula, and one other Kryptonian (whose name I am forgetting) after they murder an entire alternate Earth and he can't ensure they won't escape to some other dimension and repeat it. I like that story, it was the earliest Superman story I read where I was like "Huh, this guy really gets himself into some poo poo" and it wasn't some boring power fantasy or folk hero wish fulfillment. Superman made a moral speech and cried. Then he killed them while they pleaded and died. Nasty business. I liked it. Still do. Also Byrne's Lex Luthor was the corporate CEO piece of poo poo, which was good. Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Feb 2, 2017 |
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Brother Entropy posted:Tactile Telekinesis, The Speed Force, and 20 Other Unnecessary Elaborations To Pretend Absurd Power Fantasies Are Grounded In A Realistic World I can't wait for Flash for this exact reason. Trying to explain the speed force in a convincing, non-ridiculous way is like a high teenager talking to a cop.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:John Byrne was an rear end in a top hat, quite frankly. 
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