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WoodrowSkillson posted:A war with Iran would be a great idea because its totally smart to start a land war in asia in a the mountians. Intervention in the Middle East has historically gone well for the United States
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A Typical Goon posted:Intervention in the Middle East has historically gone well for the United States Middle East Terrorism induced paranoia is turning America into a fascist dictatorship before our very eyes
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Volkerball posted:There's a bit more to foreign policy than just flipping a switch back and forth between "at war with," and "not at war with," thug lessons. Here's an idea: before you start worrying about Iran, maybe America should stop asserting itself in the region. Great job you guys did in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc., and I'm sure you'll do a comparably great job with Iran.
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our empire couldn't handle occupying iraq, is there seriously anyone who believes we can pull off occupying a country the size of the west coast states, full of mountains, with more than twice iraq's population?
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daydrinking is fun posted:our empire couldn't handle occupying iraq, is there seriously anyone who believes we can pull off occupying a country the size of the west coast states, full of mountains, with more than twice iraq's population? Presumably you wouldn't be occupying it but reducing it to a chaotic warzone like Libya and Syria without putting your own soldiers at risk.
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Human Grand Prix posted:-Soviet Politburo, 1979 + every other invading force since like Alexander.
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Thug Lessons posted:Here's an idea: before you start worrying about Iran, maybe America should stop asserting itself in the region. Great job you guys did in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc., and I'm sure you'll do a comparably great job with Iran. Good point. Maybe war would be bad. I stand corrected. I have switched to the only other possible stance, which is not war. Thanks for the insight.
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Feb 2, 2017 19:58
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With that settled, which direction do y'all think Trump should turn the gas prices dial? I think he should go towards cheaper.
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Volkerball posted:Good point. Maybe war would be bad. I stand corrected. I have switched to the only other possible stance, which is not war. Thanks for the insight. start the clock until the next time volkerball calls for american boots on the ground
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Volkerball posted:Good point. Maybe war would be bad. I stand corrected. I have switched to the only other possible stance, which is not war. Thanks for the insight. Keep hammering on this point and ignoring the fact that you're saying the US has to intervene to prevent Iran asserting itself in the Middle East, as though a decade of the US asserting itself in the Middle East hasn't done more damage than Iran could hope to in a hundred years.
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Thug Lessons posted:Keep hammering on this point and ignoring the fact that you're saying the US has to intervene to prevent Iran asserting itself in the Middle East, as though a decade of the US asserting itself in the Middle East hasn't done more damage than Iran could hope to in a hundred years. You realize that the absence of the US means Saudi Arabia gets to define the position opposite Iran, don't you? We've seen that over the last few years. You're being hyperbolic. Iran and KSA squabbling has done more to promote sectarianism in the Middle East than anything, and you're advocating for more of that out of nothing but a naive, general feeling about US involvement in the world.
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Volkerball posted:You realize that the absence of the US means Saudi Arabia gets to define the position opposite Iran, don't you? We've seen that over the last few years. You're being hyperbolic. Iran and KSA squabbling has done more to promote sectarianism in the Middle East than anything, and you're advocating for more of that out of nothing but a naive, general feeling about US involvement in the world. I'm not being hyperbolic at all. America has started three wars in Middle East in less than twenty years, and those wars have done more damage than anything Iran could ever hope to do. Where do you think ISIS came from? It's time for them to get the gently caress out, not to intervene yet again to throw more gas on the fire and ramp up the regional conflict between Iran and Saudi. Oh, and if you're concerned about Saudi, here's an idea: stop selling them weapons.
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Local library is displaying drawings by residents of a nearby refugee centre. Some of them were technically really brilliant works of art, but something else drew (no pun intended) all of my attention, and I would now like to share. Apologies for lovely phone photos.           At least I'm glad this one kid survived from Palmyra to Finland but I can't avoid thinking about the ones who have died in Syria or on the way to Europe, and I also can't take that thought process to the end because then I couldn't stop crying.
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Feb 2, 2017 20:35
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What is past is past. What I have most trouble getting to terms with is that growing up she will have to experience being punished by her surroundings for having gone through those experiences and she will try to hide the fact that it all happened.
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Grouchio posted:Watch us start a loving war. Iran brushes off Trump’s ‘empty threats’ over missile tests Trump's gonna be pissed if he reads this since they personally insulted him. Definitely headed to war with Iran. quote:"This is not the first time that an inexperienced person has threatened Iran," Velayati said. "Iran is the strongest power in the region and has a lot of political, economic and military power ... America should be careful about making empty threats to Iran."
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FAUXTON posted:+ every other invading force since like Alexander. *looks at map of russia* *opens wiki page for british empire* *finds a book about indochina* *looks at post* *shakes head*
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Republicans back tough Iran line; Trump says nothing off tablequote:Senior U.S. congressional Republicans said on Thursday they would support new sanctions on Iran, and President Donald Trump said "nothing is off the table" in dealing with Tehran in the wake of its test-firing of a ballistic missile. quote:Congressional aides said Trump's administration had already begun looking at actions it could take without waiting for Congress. For example, Trump could impose sanctions authorized by laws passed but not put into effect by the Obama administration, which reached the agreement between Iran, the United States and other world powers. So the Republican Congress is trying to walk some sorta tightrope where they can sanction Iran without destroying the nuclear deal, but I don't see how they can square that round hole. I also don't see the EU, Russia, or China joining the US in a renewed round of sanctions.
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I seriously hope EU shows spine and continues improving relations with Iran.
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https://twitter.com/ReutersPolitics/status/827247754074288128 I didn't expect it this quickly, but I should've.
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OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/ReutersPolitics/status/827247754074288128 Trump is seemingly in a race to get deposed as fast as possible.
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Volkerball posted:You realize that the absence of the US means Saudi Arabia gets to define the position opposite Iran, don't you? We've seen that over the last few years. You're being hyperbolic. Iran and KSA squabbling has done more to promote sectarianism in the Middle East than anything, and you're advocating for more of that out of nothing but a naive, general feeling about US involvement in the world. Do you honestly think joining the KSA wouldnt just result in us getting steered around by them?
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Panzeh posted:Do you honestly think joining the KSA wouldnt just result in us getting steered around by them? It's really important to some people that we lead from the front, not like that coward Obama, even if the steering wheel is in the back.
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chitoryu12 posted:Trump is seemingly in a race to get deposed as fast as possible. Lol if you think Trump won't rule
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Is this the snap back Obama was talking about?
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Baloogan posted:There are no good guys. pretty much yeah. OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/ReutersPolitics/status/827247754074288128 yeah. i expect a war with iran coming soon. maybe even this year. and we have a bunch of right wing fuckheads who are dumber then bush and friends in charge now. chitoryu12 posted:Trump is seemingly in a race to get deposed as fast as possible. while i agree. didnt they break the agreement with the missle testing? Nenonen posted:Local library is displaying drawings by residents of a nearby refugee centre. Some of them were technically really brilliant works of art, but something else drew (no pun intended) all of my attention, and I would now like to share. Apologies for lovely phone photos. this one is just loving heartbreaking.  I hope if hell is real. Assad and his family and friends have special corner all of there own in it and i hope they get to go there soon.OhFunny posted:Republicans back tough Iran line; Trump says nothing off table yeah, we are have Iraq war 3, Iran expansion pack soon.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:while i agree. didnt they break the agreement with the missle testing? No, the nuclear deal doesn't cover missiles or missile testing.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:while i agree. didnt they break the agreement with the missle testing? quote:Iran used to be prohibited from test-firing ballistic missiles under previous U.N. resolutions. However, these were superseded by a new resolution passed alongside the nuclear deal. It would appear that technically they have not.
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OhFunny posted:http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/02/iran-brushes-off-trumps-empty-threats-over-missile-tests.html ok didn't know. so basicaly they are pushing the line enough to get trump to break the deal. trump doesn't care but it would destroy a bunch of US credibility and even republicans are nervous about it.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:ok didn't know. so basicaly they are pushing the line enough to get trump to break the deal. trump doesn't care but it would destroy a bunch of US credibility and even republicans are nervous about it. I suspect the missile test wasn't a political act, they didn't make a big deal out of it, and only confirmed it had happened several days afterwards. They just have active missile and space rocket programmes, and testing is a part of that.
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So Merkel made flash visit to Sweden and then flew directly to Turkey to meet Erdogan? Is she carrying some sort of united front on the refugee issue? Is she looking for a deal of some sort?
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Svartvit posted:So Merkel made flash visit to Sweden and then flew directly to Turkey to meet Erdogan? Is she carrying some sort of united front on the refugee issue? Is she looking for a deal of some sort? Looking for allies against Trump maybe? Merkel is a crafty one.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-yemen-al-qaeda-raid-killed-civilians-navy-seal-houthi-rebels/ We are reportedly shelling Yemen via our warships and appear to have been for the past five days. quote:Yemeni security officials said on Thursday that warships, likely American, have been firing cannons and rockets at al Qaeda militants in the country’s southern coastal areas. quote:Fighting and U.S. involvement has appeared to pick up since President Trump took office, with drone strikes and a surprise commando raid on al Qaeda militants. The Houthis also attacked a Saudi frigate in the Red Sea, killing two crew members and wounding three.
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Several children in Yemen have been confirmed as among the collateral dead from today's shelling. Woops!
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Grouchio posted:Several children in Yemen have been confirmed as among the collateral dead from today's shelling. Is "woops" some kind of slang term for "everything going as intended"?
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Nenonen posted:Local library is displaying drawings by residents of a nearby refugee centre. Some of them were technically really brilliant works of art, but something else drew (no pun intended) all of my attention, and I would now like to share. Apologies for lovely phone photos. This story is extremely powerful. Are you able to put it up somewhere sharable?
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Nenonen posted:Is "woops" some kind of slang term for "everything going as intended"? Or WELP
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yeeshquote:Obama hoped that his last-minute preparations would clear the way for Trump to authorize a swift assault on the Islamic State’s most important stronghold, where U.S. intelligence officials say militants are plotting attacks outside Syria. https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...m=.f7acf37616c6
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yeah, they don't give a gently caress. trump and friends basically take all the wrong lessons from patton and want to do that because they are dumb loving chicken hawks. it wouldn't surprise me if ISIS loving spreads even more thanks to him. https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...0645_story.html basicaly he doesn't read or think long term(outside personal greed/ownership). he believes that gut reaction is the best method. whatever or wherever the next war is. its gonna make iraq look like a well organized picnic. because now we have the republican bloodlust and nepotism(lets send a dentist who voted for us to make important tribal alliances) with even less decision because "thats for liberals". its gonna be a cluster gently caress. like i have a gently caress ton of issues with obama and syria but at least we managed to contain isis. now that shits hosed.
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Interesting notes from that article:quote:For two years inside the Pentagon, Turkey’s promises of sending rebels and later its own troops were viewed with deep skepticism and derisively dubbed “Erdogan’s ghosts” or the “unicorn” army, according to current and former defense officials. Carter and other defense officials worried that Dunford’s response gave the White House another reason to delay a decision. It's interesting that the article says Trump's administration "tossed" the plan, because it looks like the bolded part has already happened, and apparently with Trump/the Trump administration's seal of approval. I mean that's basically a word-for-word list of equipment the SDF got: https://twitter.com/CivilWarMap/status/826423222086287360 quote:#US Coaltion supplied #SDF with 200 Armoured Vehicles, ATGMs, Sniper Rifles, Assault Rifles, Heavy Machine Guns and Mortars. Funny thought: this might be a change of plan in name rather than in practice, so that the Trump Administration can claim all the credit for liberating Raqqa. New document submitted by the Trump Administration posted:
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OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/ReutersPolitics/status/827247754074288128 No please Trump go right ahead. This will end well, and we'll end up winning bigly.
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