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if you want a cool gallente ship for meme-y pvp just kit out an ishtar with a large cap battery, scram/web/mwd, DDAs, single perma-rep, blasters, and a few geckos or RF berserkers, and proceed to poo poo all over anyone who engages you with facemelting DPS
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Landsknecht posted:if you want a cool gallente ship for meme-y pvp just kit out an ishtar with a large cap battery, scram/web/mwd, DDAs, single perma-rep, blasters, and a few geckos or RF berserkers, and proceed to poo poo all over anyone who engages you with facemelting DPS 810 dps monster, but only tanks ~405hp/s and that's with a 300m rep, corpum a-type. 277hp/s with t2 repair. Still, if you can lock someone down it's not gonna matter, that 800 dps is gonna apply so well. Downside, 650m isk. Cute idea though.
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MorsAnima posted:810 dps monster, but only tanks ~405hp/s and that's with a 300m rep, corpum a-type. 277hp/s with t2 repair. If you're okay with leaving a bit of DPS on the table, dual rep is pretty cheap and effective too. 300M or so for the whole thing: code:
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Is it possible to do something similar but with a gila?
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Reverand maynard posted:Is it possible to do something similar but with a gila? Did some toying around in pyfa; not that I can tell. Your options: * An X-Type LSB and cap battery is going to get you around 350-400dps perma-tanked before crystals, but you won't have any spare room capacitor-wise for the neuts, like the Ishtar does. * One cap battery alone is not going to get you enough cap regen to run an XLSB of any kind; an injector will let you pulse it infrequently (~2 cycles per inject for a Meta4 or Pith C-type, ~4 cycles per inject for a Gist X-Type), and that infrequent pulsing means it's barely more DPS tanked on average than the X-Type LSB. * With a fuckton of fitting mods, you can shoehorn two XLASBs on there, alternating them; that gets you ~700dps on each rep. But you'll have no room for anything else, and no DDAs, so your damage is garbage. This is honestly something where the Ishtar stands alone in its awesomeness.
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y'all can laugh at the puny tank of an ishtar, but the reality is that in a 1v1 there is nothing BC and below that'll take that thing on and win if you have money and want to roll around, using ships like the eos/astarte, or any pirate faction BS are really cool Marauders are the poo poo, but you have to be careful that someone won't drop a super or 20 blops on you
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The Wozbo dual XLASB Ferox is loving awesome too for random hurfblurf roaming. Not many options versus kiters other than reapproaching gate, but it's cheap, sturdy, and can murder most BCs and cruisers at point-blank.
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Barghests are one of my favorite ships in the game, but im poor enough that I cant afford to lose them often. Ive been working on a similar fit to what I use on the bargh with a raven I can afford to welp every day.
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ullerrm posted:The Wozbo dual XLASB Ferox is loving awesome too for random hurfblurf roaming. Not many options versus kiters other than reapproaching gate, but it's cheap, sturdy, and can murder most BCs and cruisers at point-blank. most people are too dumb with anything ancillary and permarun the SB/rep and over-rep while wasting their boosters/paste
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Sometimes you just gotta put a foot down and say "this is for people with more than eleven brain cells," and see who rises to the challenge. It really is a fun fit to fly, and bone cheap. fakeedit: https://zkillboard.com/kill/55658307/
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ullerrm posted:Sometimes you just gotta put a foot down and say "this is for people with more than eleven brain cells," and see who rises to the challenge. It really is a fun fit to fly, and bone cheap. I tried a similarly fit ham cyclone that worked surprisingly well as well, even though it required too many fitting mods for my liking
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Travelceptors are not smartbomb-proof. 
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Animal-Mother posted:Travelceptors are not smartbomb-proof. How much plex did you lose?
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iospace posted:How much plex did you lose? I'm not that bad.
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School Nickname posted:Almost killed a Hecate in my Dramiel, I would have won if I orbited my can at 9km initially and spammed the scram as soon as a locked him, as I orbited him at the same range. I'm so bad. That Phantasm fight was loving nuts. 
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amazeballs posted:That Phantasm fight was loving nuts. Understatement right here. "Oh yeah, I still use boosts but I use it as a second ship to help out!" And that statement doesn't do what he does enough justice.
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iospace posted:Understatement right here. "Oh yeah, I still use boosts but I use it as a second ship to help out!" I can't fly one ship as competently as he flies two. But after watching those I really want to go lose a bunch of ISK to prove the point (that nobody in their right mind would contest). Solo pvp is cool.
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https://zkillboard.com/kill/59728257/ Who needs expensive ships to be good at PvP?
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Magic Rabbit Hat posted:https://zkillboard.com/kill/59728257/ Seems the loot fairy was nice to you as well.
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Ynglaur posted:Is the Eris really that bad? The eris suffers from the same problem that all 2-mid slot ships have, not enough flexibility, especially in solo/small gang settings. When you have to take a prop mod, your only other mid is likely to be a scram in the eris' case, so you can get ab/scram/web kited to death. Honestly I do hope  look at 2 mid ships and fix them by adding another, even if it means removing a low or nerfing them in some other regard, right now they are just so under utilised because outside of some niche cases they just aren't worth taking over another ship
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Ynglaur posted:Is the Eris really that bad? In my observations (limited mind you, dude to mostly low-class w-space), it's Sabre >> Heretic = Flycatcher >>>> Eris. Heretic gets that third midslot but gets the classic Khanid weirdness of using missiles. Though if you really want to you can get a < 2s align Heretic without i-stabs (then warp speed rig it for maximum hilarity).
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Did we lose all our space yet? I haven't logged in since like 2015.
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working mom posted:The eris suffers from the same problem that all 2-mid slot ships have, not enough flexibility, especially in solo/small gang settings. When you have to take a prop mod, your only other mid is likely to be a scram in the eris' case, so you can get ab/scram/web kited to death. It's not as bad as you think for 2 Midslot ships: A Neutron Catalyst or Eris with Null loaded gets over 11km falloff, more than enough to pick off anything trying to scram kite it, Focused Pulse Coercers reach out to 19km with Scorch, and even the Retribution gets an optimal range bonus on its lasers. While that Eris was obviously poorly fit, 2 mids isn't an indictment of a useless ship. The Punisher only has two mids too, but ask Pax Sex if he ever regrets taking one out for a roam through Delve and you'll probably be surprised at his response. Besides that, the Cormorant and Thrasher have three mids, but they need to fit an MSE for tank, too, so they're still working under the same restrictions. The Cormorant in particular is actually an even worse Catalyst; less tank, less fitting room, less damage. It's even slower. The only thing it makes up for is costing half what a properly fit PvP Catalyst does on account of SAAR prices still being hosed. Magic Rabbit Hat fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Feb 5, 2017 |
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Luigi Thirty posted:Did we lose all our space yet? I haven't logged in since like 2015. Casino war forced us to abandon our space didn't it? Also the two mid destroyers could just use some better fitting to offset their two mids. Coercer can't do decent against anything because you run out of cap in less than 2 minutes without fitting cap mods/rigs, where as all the other destroyers need little or no capacitor to do their job. Yes indeed, do try to pit a coercer against a claw with 50km range. It's good with a fleet if you have someone to tackle for you.
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SugarAddict posted:Casino war forced us to abandon our space didn't it? That's a bad faith argument. In your hypothetical there's nothing stopping either ship from just warping out. Meanwhile, cap management is just as important a skill to learn as kiting or holding tackle; the Slicer gets under 40s with everything running, but nobody calls that a bad ship even with its two mids and limited fitting.
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Magic Rabbit Hat posted:It's not as bad as you think for 2 Midslot ships: A Neutron Catalyst or Eris with Null loaded gets over 11km falloff, more than enough to pick off anything trying to scram kite it, Focused Pulse Coercers reach out to 19km with Scorch, and even the Retribution gets an optimal range bonus on its lasers. While that Eris was obviously poorly fit, 2 mids isn't an indictment of a useless ship. While true that they aren't completely useless, they are hindered a lot by only having 2 mids, even the corm could fit a MASB for an active tank, trying that on an eris would make you cap yourself out in 20 secs. Also, the kills you linked are all not completely combat fit with having cloaks/being hyperspacial fit etc so I'd argue that the sabres in particular would win if fully combat fit. As for the punisher, its an interesting bait fit with ab/scram max tank and autos
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There is one thing that the eris is best at, and thats being a pure suicide bubble; ie you just want to warp to target, burn at something, bubble once or twice and forget it exists when you switch windows to another character. You can fit the thing to align as fast as an istabbed sabre and move faster than a nanosabre. A heretic can do the same thing, but the eris is cheaper. Thats how far you need to go to make the eris best in class at something practical, and that doesnt even count if you maybe want to scram something, cos you have to fit an mse to get the eris some reasonable tank.
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working mom posted:While true that they aren't completely useless, they are hindered a lot by only having 2 mids, even the corm could fit a MASB for an active tank, trying that on an eris would make you cap yourself out in 20 secs. Also, the kills you linked are all not completely combat fit with having cloaks/being hyperspacial fit etc so I'd argue that the sabres in particular would win if fully combat fit. They Don't.
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As I loving hate carrier ratting with a passion (can't do more than 3-4 ticks a day). I was thinking of being a complete coward and frig pvping with cowardly bubble traps, being inspired by this tactic. I'd scoop the loot to a secured container outside dscan range, which I'd then extract with a Blockade Runner. My problem is that I have no idea where to go. Any ideas, or is this idea in general a pretty stupid one?
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School Nickname posted:As I loving hate carrier ratting with a passion (can't do more than 3-4 ticks a day). I was thinking of being a complete coward and frig pvping with cowardly bubble traps, being inspired by this tactic. I'd scoop the loot to a secured container outside dscan range, which I'd then extract with a Blockade Runner. My problem is that I have no idea where to go. Any ideas, or is this idea in general a pretty stupid one? just set that up in delve in the pipe somewhere between 1-smeb and d-w. Things run through there all the time.
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L0cke17 posted:just set that up in delve in the pipe somewhere between 1-smeb and d-w. Things run through there all the time. Yeah this is a tried and true easy mode pvp setup. Just remember: when you haven't had any bites all day, as soon as you unanchor, someone will come through and you'll miss them.
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School Nickname posted:As I loving hate carrier ratting with a passion (can't do more than 3-4 ticks a day). I was thinking of being a complete coward and frig pvping with cowardly bubble traps, being inspired by this tactic. I'd scoop the loot to a secured container outside dscan range, which I'd then extract with a Blockade Runner. My problem is that I have no idea where to go. Any ideas, or is this idea in general a pretty stupid one? Level 5s. 3/4 ticks = 1hr > 1hr 20 min. In that time in lvl5s you'll be 500m worth of lp richer.
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MorsAnima posted:Level 5s. 3/4 ticks = 1hr > 1hr 20 min. In that time in lvl5s you'll be 500m worth of lp richer. people always say this, but then someone manages to lose a carrier to whoever "owns" the hub
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Landsknecht posted:people always say this, but then someone manages to lose a carrier to whoever "owns" the hub I thought it was common sense not to run L5s in a hub your alliance doesn't 'own', but it's a valid point. Run them on home turf.
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Landsknecht posted:people always say this, but then someone manages to lose a carrier to whoever "owns" the hub Generally I thought it was a don't poo poo where you eat kind of thing
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Took out one of the Wozbo Feroxes last night with a couple gnosis and smaller poo poo. We all died horribly to ECM  . We were fighting a ~12 man caracal fleet and doing fine when a rook landed on grid and turned off 3/4 of the dps. We left after losing light tackle, then took on another gang that also seemed to be going alright until we got ecm'd to poo poo and all our dps went away. I guess we need to roam in things with sebos more often, because that was a very boring end to a long roam.
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e:stupid double post
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ECM is cancer, but a keres would help out a lot in a small gang to point things and counter ECM
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Ya, its easier to bring one person who can hard counter an ECM ship or two than to try to harden your entire fleet against it.
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