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The_Rob posted:I'm the exact opposite. I'd much rather they take themselves seriously and just embrace being a melodramatic low budget sci fi show than a melodramatic low budget sci fi show that winks at the audience the whole time to tell you they think this is lame as well. In The Flash, they had the horridly forced potential romance angle, as was mentioned, but that's par for the course with the rest of the cringe-inducing romance angles they keep trying to shoehorn in. Also, of all the series, I feel this one has the most uneven acting. In Arrow, the use of flashbacks stretched across at least three seasons. I stopped after season 3, but I'm guessing that there were at least some in season 4, because why the gently caress not. They drew that out way, way longer than it deserved, to say nothing of the increasingly implausible reveals. Supergirl ends up being the best of the bunch because they've got, far and away, the most talented supporting cast, and that they're able to draw on the audience's existing familiarity with Superman to avoid most of the unnecessary origin story bullshit that The Flash and Arrow seem to revel in. All that said, they are shows that folks should give a try, particularly Supergirl. For me, they're easy recommendations because they are what they are from the very beginning. There's no "push through the first season, it gets good after that". If you don't like it from the start, you're not gonna like it later. And if you do like it at first, but it stops being fun, don't keep going, because it's not gonna get better. They're all flawed from the very start and, whether you'll like them or not will entirely dependent on well you can tolerate the flaws, and that's something that you can figure out really, really quickly. Azathoth fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Feb 7, 2017 |
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GonSmithe posted:I watched it in the reverse order, being too young to have known really anything about the OJ trials besides him doing it, and I really enjoyed it that way. Not knowing what happened and seeing the TV show play up just how loving ridiculous some of the stuff was helped me take it in, and then the documentary gave me the dose of what really happened, and what it was really like. I think it'll be more fun for me if I do this. Thanks.
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precision posted:If you're sick or just generally down for 8+ hours of something, the 30 for 30 OJ: Made in America is on Hulu now. Honestly I think a couple hours could have been cut without losing much, especially in the early parts, but goddamn the last 4-5 hours are nonstop and amazing (pretty much as soon as they get to the trial and then the aftermath). I don't really know what they could have cut. Part of what made it one of my favorite docs is that they took the necessary time to set up exactly why the LA African American community supported OJ throughout the trial. Without that deeper understanding, and with hindsight on how guilty he seems, all of the protests would ring hollow. I think it's an equally important part of this story.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:I could've watched another hour and a half of it Yeah I definitely would have watched one or even two more episodes of it.
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Azathoth posted:I think the problem is that, deep down, they don't want the shows to be melodramatic. They want them to be character-driven action/drama, but they are pretty bad at writing compelling characters, which they compound with really uneven casting, particularly in the supporting cast. The Flash and Arrow suffer the most for this, with Supergirl managing to avoid most of the really egregious stuff that the other series do. I haven't watched Legends of Tomorrow, so I can't comment on that. This just sounds like they have no respect for melodrama.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:This just sounds like they have no respect for melodrama. The various series work really well during the parts of the series when they hew towards event-driven melodrama. The action sequences are really good, and when they decide to actually move the plot forward, they end up with really good episodes, but it absolutely drags when they decide to try their hands at character development. The problem is that all these characters have places that the comics dictate that the characters get to and, by hook or by crook, the writers are gonna get them to that point. It's a problem that's endemic to the wider superhero genre, and not just these series. Instead of just starting with the characters already there, and filling in the backstory as they go, they seem to need to show the excruciating details of their origin. Supergirl taps into the Superman origin story to jump over a lot of stuff that, but Arrow and The Flash get bogged down trying to move the character to where they need to be. Arrow drags out the origin story over at least the first three seasons, when there's only about a season of origin story in there. The Flash features seriously uneven performances and writing, leading to stuff like the "will they/won't they" between Barry and Iris, and some really contrived character development. If you can get past clunky and forced character development and enjoy the action set pieces, they can be enjoyable shows. Give Supergirl a shot first, and if that works for you, move on to Arrow, and if that works, move on to The Flash. They're definitely at least worth a try.
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Azathoth posted:In Arrow, the use of flashbacks stretched across at least three seasons. I stopped after season 3, but I'm guessing that there were at least some in season 4, because why the gently caress not. They drew that out way, way longer than it deserved, to say nothing of the increasingly implausible reveals. gently caress you that's the best part of arrow
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I'm on a "classics I should have seen by now but they were probably made before I was born" kick right now. A lot of Scorcesee. Heat, Casino, Goodfellas, Godfather, Departed, Schindlers List, Gangs of New York, things like that. Any suggestions? Doesn't have to be on Netflix or even streaming at all but obviously that's preferable.
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drunken officeparty posted:I'm on a "classics I should have seen by now but they were probably made before I was born" kick right now. A lot of Scorcesee. Heat, Casino, Goodfellas, Godfather, Departed, things like that. Any suggestions? Doesn't have to be on Netflix or even streaming at all but obviously that's preferable. Mean Streets. You can do a 30 day trial for Cinemax to watch it for free. They also have One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Midnight Cowboy, MASH and Videodrome on there.
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Edminster posted:legends of tomorrow season one is steaming garbage that i only watched for the romance between leonard snart and mick rory and now that snart is dead i have no reason to watch the show anymore there's literally no way it sticks
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drunken officeparty posted:I'm on a "classics I should have seen by now but they were probably made before I was born" kick right now. A lot of Scorcesee. Heat, Casino, Goodfellas, Godfather, Departed, Schindlers List, Gangs of New York, things like that. Any suggestions? Doesn't have to be on Netflix or even streaming at all but obviously that's preferable. You're missing Cape Fear, which is still my favorite Scorsese, and pops up frequently on Netflix. Other classics: The African Queen, Jaws, Braveheart, The Hustler, To Kill A Mockingbird, Sunset Boulevard, Y Tu Mama Tambien, Kagemusha, Laura, The Graduate, Metropolis, Once Upon A Time In The West, The Shining, Amadeus, The Seven Year Itch, To Catch A Thief, Way of the Dragon, El Dorado, Patton, Panic in Needle Park, 3 Women, Destiny, A Trip To The Moon, The Day The Earth Stood Still
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drunken officeparty posted:I'm on a "classics I should have seen by now but they were probably made before I was born" kick right now. A lot of Scorcesee. Heat, Casino, Goodfellas, Godfather, Departed, Schindlers List, Gangs of New York, things like that. Any suggestions? Doesn't have to be on Netflix or even streaming at all but obviously that's preferable.
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drunken officeparty posted:I'm on a "classics I should have seen by now but they were probably made before I was born" kick right now. A lot of Scorcesee. Heat, Casino, Goodfellas, Godfather, Departed, Schindlers List, Gangs of New York, things like that. Any suggestions? Doesn't have to be on Netflix or even streaming at all but obviously that's preferable. Maybe check out some Westerns. I wasn't all that into them growing up but in my mid-20s all of the sudden they just clicked with me. Leone and Eastwood is a good place to start. Check out A Fistful of Dollars, which is only about 100 minutes, and if you like it move on to some of the longer Westerns like Once Upon a Time in the West, The Good the Bad and the Ugly, and For a Few Dollars More.
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Franchescanado posted:You're missing Cape Fear, which is still my favorite Scorsese, and pops up frequently on Netflix. Interesting! Any reasons why it is a standout compared to the rest of his work? De Niro is great in it, but otherwise I find it rather forgettable.
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Sand Monster posted:Interesting! Any reasons why it is a standout compared to the rest of his work? De Niro is great in it, but otherwise I find it rather forgettable. A few: The ambiguity of the characters' morality. No one is Good, no one is Bad. The Bowden family can barely stick together, they don't trust each other: the father thinks he's smarter than he is and is justified in his actions because he tries to look at the world through a pragmatic lens of Lawful and Unlawful, which is ultimately his undoing, and puts his family in peril (and limits himself into an impotent position in a power struggle); the wife is unhappy in her marriage and is open to this invading force threatening her family; the daughter is rebellious, naive, doesn't trust her parents and willfully puts herself in danger because she thinks she's an adult, which opens herself to the seduction of evil. DeNiro is one of the greatest villains. He is manipulative, charming and intimidating, and finds a way to be cruel and evil within the confines of Man's Law and God's Law, exploiting their flaws for his gains but justifiably making himself "The Good Guy" in his revenge scheme. He doesn't want to kill them, he wants to take away everything they hold dear in their life and leave them with nothing, THEN kill them. And if he can't out-smart his enemies (which he does), he can rely on brute force. Even with his death, he is "ascending to Heaven" and speaking tongues while at the same time shouting jibberish and descending into a watery hell. He is always in control of himself and those around him and in each step of his revenge. What's worse, he's not entirely wrong. Every actor gives a great performance. DeNiro, Nick Nolte, Juliette Lewis, Jessica Lange, Illeana Douglas, all of them give top-performances. Even Joe Don Baker is great as an over-confident PI who just wants to live up to the image of his father, a Good Cop, but he's just a sad alcoholic imbecile with a short fuse. The Pepto-Bismal and Whiskey drink scene alone puts it as one of his best performances. It's a terrifying and suspenseful movie. The evil is human, but more than that, he is willing to torture and mind-gently caress his enemies to convert them into his twisted ideas of justice. The gore is striking, the violence always unexpected and painful. It's also one of Scorsese's most concise movies. I can't think of anything that doesn't work, anything superfluous. It's not as visually ambitious as other projects, but everything works brilliantly. It's subtle and low-key. Edit: It should be pointed out, too, in cruel irony DeNiro's character in the end saves the family, bringing them together and solidifying their bonds. He succeeds it taking everything away from them, but they realize it really wasn't a lot. Now they are a family. Traumatized, yes, but they now understand why they need to care for each other and how they can protect themselves. DeNiro's character may be right. He may be sent by God as some Old Testament test of faith of the Bowdens, because he does restore their faith in each other. Franchescanado fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Feb 9, 2017 |
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Franchescanado posted:Cape Fear Very informative. Thank you for taking the time to write that out. I suppose I should watch it again. Scorsese apparently has a "one for you, one for me" deal with studios, so since you seem quite familiar with the movie, do you happen to know if this was a project he wanted to make for himself, or one that the studio was pushing for?
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Sand Monster posted:Very informative. Thank you for taking the time to write that out. I suppose I should watch it again. Scorsese apparently has a "one for you, one for me" deal with studios, so since you seem quite familiar with the movie, do you happen to know if this was a project he wanted to make for himself, or one that the studio was pushing for? The studio actually pushed for it. Scorsese didn't want to do a remake, especially with how it was a boring Good vs. Bad story. They basically asked him what he wanted to do with the story to get him to direct, and he made the demands of ambiguity with the moral decisions of the characters and the aspects of faith, etc., and they gave him creative control
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Franchescanado posted:The studio actually pushed for it. Scorsese didn't want to do a remake, especially with how it was a boring Good vs. Bad story. They basically asked him what he wanted to do with the story to get him to direct, and he made the demands of ambiguity with the moral decisions of the characters and the aspects of faith, etc., and they gave him creative control That seems weird because the (superior) Thompson version is also not a "boring Good vs. Bad story" and all the Strick screenplay does is signpost the poo poo out of it, making it less subtle while also making Cady even more of an absurd super-villain. It's uncharacteristic of Scorsese to misread a film so badly.
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DeimosRising posted:That seems weird because the (superior) Thompson version is also not a "boring Good vs. Bad story" and all the Strick screenplay does is signpost the poo poo out of it, making it less subtle while also making Cady even more of an absurd super-villain. It's uncharacteristic of Scorsese to misread a film so badly. I believe it was because he hated the original script they gave him for the remake, not how he felt about the original film which he liked. He even gave the original actors parts in his remake. EDIT: Here's an article that talks about Scorsese's ideas on the project and also the complete script that he approved of: CAPE FEAR: HOW SCORSESE ADDED COMPLEXITY AND HUMANITY TO A BELOVED CLASSIC Franchescanado fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Feb 9, 2017 |
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Franchescanado posted:I believe it was because he hated the original script they gave him for the remake, not how he felt about the original film which he liked. He even gave the original actors parts in his remake. It would make more sense if the problem was the new script, but the title of that article is not promising. I'll try to get around to reading it later
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DeimosRising posted:It would make more sense if the problem was the new script, but the title of that article is not promising. I'll try to get around to reading it later Are we talking around the same thing? They had a script and Spielberg was involved, and said "Hey Marty, wanna remake Cape Fear? We have this script for a remake." Marty says, "Yeah, I love Cape Fear, lemme take a look." Marty reads the script and frowns. "Steve, this script is terrible." "Well, what would you change?" "Well, a lot of stuff. The characters need depth. Can I have Wesley Strick take a crack at this?" And so they threw out whatever script they had and Wesley Strick wrote a script off of the original script and now we have Cape Fear '91. Or are you still saying the Strick script sucks compared to the original?
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Franchescanado posted:Are we talking around the same thing? I do think the Strick screenplay is weaker than the original, but it doesn't suck. I'm taking issue with the idea that "Scorsese added complexity and humanity to a beloved classic", which I doubt he believes because you'd have to badly misread the original to see it as a straightforward good vs evil story. The existence of another remake script that was more black and white makes sense in that context.
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DeimosRising posted:I do think the Strick screenplay is weaker than the original, but it doesn't suck. I'm taking issue with the idea that "Scorsese added complexity and humanity to a beloved classic", which I doubt he believes because you'd have to badly misread the original to see it as a straightforward good vs evil story. The existence of another remake script that was more black and white makes sense in that context. Okay, yeah, we're on the same page, then. Read that article when you get a chance, because it talks about what Scorsese added, which I guess was more Biblical imagery and quotes. I've honestly only seen the original once years ago, so I admit I can't make a better argument for how '91 stacks up to the original, but it's still my favorite Scorsese I've seen, second favorite being Casino and third being Taxi Driver.
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Yea it sounds like the situation was more along the lines of Scorsese didn't want to do a lovely soulless remake, so when he got the first script and saw that's exactly what it was, he wasn't happy with it. I think the title of the article is just a little misleading that's all. The only reason we're even discussing this is because Scorsese is like the most openly fanatical cinephile director we've ever seen. There's interview after interview on all kinds of different documentaries and DVD special features where you can tell he just loves talking about movies and he's the stereotypical New Hollywood guy who was really into Japanese film and French New Wave in his formative years. It seems ludicrous that he'd misread such an important film as Cape Fear.
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How do I watch A Touch of Cloth via streaming in the US? I will pay money for it.
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The Michael Bolton Valentines Day special thing on netflix is loving hilarious. Who would have guessed Michael Bolton was such a cool guy and somehow end up being the fourth man in The Lonely Island group.
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If you're looking for a sleazy, cheesy, B-movie in the vein of Hush or The Boy, Trash Fire is like that, but with a refreshingly Shyamalan-esque black humor vibe that escalates really quickly and unexpectedly from some pretty dysfunctional romantic territory. Also, Girl Asleep is decent if you appreciate it as a scandalization of Wes Anderson and not a strict homage.
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What are some of the best east asian action flicks up on streaming right now?
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tweet my meat posted:What are some of the best east asian action flicks up on streaming right now? The Good, The Bad, and The Weird (Netflix) The Host (Netflix)
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Zwabu posted:The Good, The Bad, and The Weird (Netflix) Is so loving awesome. Will forever be best scene in a movie ever. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt5Z4IhAAMM
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Great movie. Seen it though. Still need to check out The Host however I'll give it a look.
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I don't think The Host is an action flick. There's action in it...
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It's close enough. I just got through watching Outrage and No Tears for the Dead. The former was a pretty fun yakuza flick, the latter being a pretty solid action movie about an assassin who protects his target instead of killing her. There's a surprising amount of english in No Tears and the main character grew up in America, it almost feels like the current Hollywood trend of pandering to the Chinese market but reversed. I love seeing those slightly stereotypical interpretations of America in foreign movies.
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In need of some more good horror movies on Netlifx. Have seen and love things like: It Follows Green Room Hush Kristy Babadook Girl Walks Home The Host Youre Next Bound to Vengeance (Obviously like horror with a heroine) Slandible fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Feb 12, 2017 |
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Have you watched He Never Died? It's not a heroine but a good modern horror movie
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Check out Let Us Prey
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Slandible posted:In need of some more good horror movies on Netlifx. Have seen and love things like: Housebound, Starry Eyes, & Last Shift all feature heroine protagonists, although those last two are drastically different in tone from most of the films in your example list. Also, it's all dudes but Baskin is super hosed up and good.
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fishtobaskets posted:Housebound, Starry Eyes, & Last Shift all feature heroine protagonists, although those last two are drastically different in tone from most of the films in your example list. Forgot to add Housebound and Last Shift. I really liked Housebound a lot, Last Shift was just ok. Terrorist Fistbump posted:Check out Let Us Prey Looks good, thanks. Medullah posted:Have you watched He Never Died? It's not a heroine but a good modern horror movie Henry Rollins? I'll certainly check it out.
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