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Tsurupettan posted:Vanilla: Wait a minute, can psi ops train EVERY ability/passive? I thought I was done when I hit Magus but I can keep training? Is there any kind of limitation beyond time investment? correct, no, nope and they shall be gods among insects
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Psi ops is completely busted in vanilla and hands down the best class. Other classes have them beat in specific scenarios or specific roles, but pound-for-pound psi ops just kicks the poo poo out of everyone. And yeah, they have basically no limitations on their abilities. Hell, stasis not only works on everything up to and including sectopods, but isn't turn-ending if you use it as your first action. Go nuts. There is exactly one weakness to psi-ops that I ever found: Having a couple of them with Fortress lets you give mind control immunity to your entire squad quite easily. This sounds like a good thing, but enemy avatars will recognize that mind control won't work and tend to prioritize Void Rift instead as a result. Which loving hurts after a couple of hits. It's probably preventable if you just make sure to space your guys way the gently caress out, though. Backhand fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Feb 9, 2017 |
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Feb 9, 2017 15:53
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Zore posted:Also they are literally nerfing the Amp bonus from +15/+30 to +10/+20 in 1.2 which is laffo. They are also moving amps tech to Codex/Gatekeeper corpses, instead of Gatekeeper and Avatar, so you may actually get a chance to use improved amps. Also fixing Mind Merge protection to last into alien turn so the ability all of them get from the start may actually be useful for something.
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Feb 9, 2017 16:12
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I should probably get some Psi Dudes trained up for my vanilla save. I've had it pegged as a 'would be nice' all this time.
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Feb 9, 2017 16:16
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psi troopers are the recommended way to get Who Needs Tygan, basically
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Feb 9, 2017 16:19
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When I start my vanilla campaign I'm going to have to play missions both with full loadouts of Psionic "Gods among us" troopers and "I'll blow up the whole goddamned world" grenadiers. To see which are loving nuttier.
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Feb 9, 2017 17:35
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SpookyLizard posted:When I start my vanilla campaign I'm going to have to play missions both with full loadouts of Psionic "Gods among us" troopers and "I'll blow up the whole goddamned world" grenadiers. To see which are loving nuttier. Long missions like the story ones it goes to psions. Short missions where you have 3 or 4 turns of combat total its grenadiers.
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Feb 9, 2017 17:41
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For LW2 do I go with a GTS or AWS first? I guess being able to train rookies into specific classes that you need is more useful early on.
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Feb 9, 2017 17:51
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GTS is always my top priority AWC generally can wait a month or two, the abilities are nice but not important and your main solution to wounds should be not getting shot
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Zore posted:I forgot to mention they added 3 incredibly lovely powers that clog up the list, have your natural psionic power cap around 94 (which gives you a 35% chance to hit loving Mutons with some powers and has your powers hit about as hard as a laser rifle/frag grenade (soulfire/void rift)) and locked the Psi-Amp upgrades behind Gatekeeper and Tier 3 Avatar corpses so you aren't getting that poo poo forever. Welp. I just trained 4 rookies as psi soldiers to spread them out into squads. What difficulty do you see those numbers on? edit: also, what about that mindwhip item? Doesn't that give you extra psi offense? Amish Ninja fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Feb 9, 2017 |
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Feb 9, 2017 17:59
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I've been using two EXO/WAR suits in my team for a while, but just with the default rocket. Which has proved surprisingly valuable since it aims differently from my grenadiers. Are any of the Experimental Heavy or Powered weapons super exciting or terrible? I'm assuming the Blaster Launcher is absurd. The Shredstorm cannon sounds cool too.
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Feb 9, 2017 18:21
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basically all of the heavy weapons from the EXO/WAR suits are better than the default RL which should give you an idea of how sick most of them are
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Feb 9, 2017 18:26
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Coolguye posted:basically all of the heavy weapons from the EXO/WAR suits are better than the default RL That's cool and good because I just did 4 experimental powered ones and got one of each to play with.  By the way you're still alive.
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Feb 9, 2017 18:31
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All the weapons own. Flamethrowers don't as much, but the shred storm and plasma blaster loving wreck. And blaster launchers are ridiculous.
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Feb 9, 2017 18:42
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Dreylad posted:For LW2 do I go with a GTS or AWS first? I guess being able to train rookies into specific classes that you need is more useful early on. In LW2 I personally would recommend AWS. You start the game being able to take as large a squad as you would like so the squad size upgrades are no longer relevant, and while there are some cool other abilities to purchase they are ludicrously expensive. You do need the GTS for officer training, though. So that's a point in its favor.
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Feb 9, 2017 18:48
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Tsurupettan posted:That's cool and good because I just did 4 experimental powered ones and got one of each to play with. gimme a WAR suit and let me blow some (more) poo poo up like seriously a grenadier running a WAR can level a disturbing amount of the map
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Feb 9, 2017 18:50
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Nordick posted:Yeah, that's why I only use voice packs from games. Ripping the lines directly from the files means there's no background noise or other poo poo and the sound level is consistent. Use the radio effect with this mod; it really helps in this case to compress the volume levels to something normal. Dreylad posted:For LW2 do I go with a GTS or AWS first? I guess being able to train rookies into specific classes that you need is more useful early on. Definitely GTS because of the officer training; the earlier you start using them the better they are. Congratulations to me! My campaign has gone 12 months and I haven't discovered a single non-story black site! My doom clock is at like 3 days and it will take 37 days to 100% infiltrate the codex coordinates mission! In fact I sent a squad of 6 to infiltrate and then played for 8 HOURS last night; infiltration is only at 87% and I don't think there is any way to unfuck myself. How very shameful.
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Feb 9, 2017 18:54
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Coolguye posted:gimme a WAR suit and let me blow some (more) poo poo up Okay. Just for you. I'll even let you pick your powered weapon.
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Feb 9, 2017 19:01
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Never not shredstorm. The only bad heavy weapon of either type is the flamethrower, IMO.
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Shredstorm loving owns always use that. The Blaster Launcher may be better but the Shredstorm is infinitely more satisfying. It levels EVERYTHING In front of you 
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I still remember the sheer amazement and incredulous glee when I fired the shredder cannon for the very first time and leveled an entire storefront and the three or four poor ADVENT bastards that were milling about around it. It was a good moment, it was.
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GTS is a slam dunk, especially with Not Created Equally/Hidden potential. It is funny because it makes my A team in the early game become the D team, and the D team usually becomes the A team over time. Also holy gently caress rushing lasers is the way to go. Just took down two swarming supply raids in late March and I'm going to have to really try to gently caress up this campaign. Maybe I'll finally beat LW2 
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Gyshall posted:GTS is a slam dunk, especially with Not Created Equally/Hidden potential. HAhahahahaha my child, let me tell you about how you're going to get hosed in the next 3-4 months...
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When do psi soldiers begin to suck in LW2? I just did my first mission with one in the group and they tore it up. Fresh out of the tank with 76 psi, and I'm in June/July with several dark events active.
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i'm so sorry coolguy. I wanted to put the shredstorm on you, then do some urban mission and record your character exploding a building while killing a bunch of advent, but then I went and did the radio tower... look, at least I took you on the last mission (even if i forgot to re-equip the war suit). at least you are going to survive the campaign. e: Alkydere, you failed a hack once this game. It was on a turret. You've redeemed yourself by taking control of a sectopod on the final mission. Thanks. Tsurupettan fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Feb 9, 2017 |
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I rushed mag weapon for my current campaign but still only managed to get the basic mag weapon out by July due to first scientist shortage then engineer shortage. Though this let me discover that doing basic research reduces scientist requirement. The last month was especially painful since that's when T2 advent troops start to show up. I rememeber one engagement that took me 4 turns to kill 4 guys with 5 operative. What do you guys think of the different ammo? I find the +2 damage ones too restricting (needle and stiletto), only working on either organic alien or Advent. I'll stick with vemon and AP for most of my troops if I had known. I haven't get to flechtte ammo yet, though, anyome know what it does?
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Gyshall posted:GTS is a slam dunk, especially with Not Created Equally/Hidden potential. Unfortunately, no you won't You're just in march, when everything is still sunshine and roses
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Amish Ninja posted:When do psi soldiers begin to suck in LW2? They never really 'suck', they just tail off into mediocrity. When you're looking at a 50/50 shot to land Insanity on a t2 muton, you're better off throwing a flashbang... and if you're throwing a flashbang, that psi op ain't much better than a rookie. They have their uses, like the aoe inhibitors and void rift is the number one skill for faceless checks and clearing dumbshit citizens off cover you want to use but relative ot the time investment, they just wind up kinda 'meh'. If you rush psionics and get some good early rolls for skills while avoiding the traps, they're awesome for a while. pedro0930 posted:What do you guys think of the different ammo? AP all the way. Venom is okay on a Grazing Fire gunner or anyone who picks up that skill through the AWC. Shredder is also pretty nice on a Trench Gun/Street Sweeper Assault, functions as a ghetto Shredstorm gun. upgunned shitpost fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Feb 9, 2017 |
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Tsurupettan posted:i'm so sorry coolguy. I wanted to put the shredstorm on you, then do some urban mission and record your character exploding a building while killing a bunch of advent, but then I went and did the radio tower... look, at least I took you on the last mission (even if i forgot to re-equip the war suit). 
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Shredstorms are great, but Blaster Bombs make Avenger Defense a hilariously short exercise with no risk.
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I lost a Colonel for the first time ever. She was flanked by incoming Mutons and an Andromedon while dealing with another nasty pod. Dinged for two shots, one crit, by Mutons and after dealing with them, I forgot that the Andromedon was on overwatch and moved her up to deliver a rocket. It hit because of course it did and I am without my 18 mission, 52 kill specialist because I am dumb, no 'that's XCOM' involved. RIP Sarah. Just had a streak of 5 missions with no losses and a ton of soldiers reaching the higher ranks so hopefully we can deal. I do actually really like how in XCOM2, this sort of thing can happen if you get sloppy. I was barely tested after the first couple of months of EW.
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Now that I've beaten the game, my only questions are: EXPANSION WHEN XCOM 3 WHEN Because they clearly set up two paths of possible continuations. e: I don't own any of the DLC. Should I grab the Reinforcement pack next time it's on sale and play through again? Tsurupettan fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Feb 10, 2017 |
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Feb 10, 2017 00:23
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Tsurupettan posted:Now that I've beaten the game, my only questions are: Alien Hunters is kinda meh, shen's last gift is my favorite and SPARKS are even more awesome with the mod that lets you upgrade them.
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Sparks without Metal over Flesh - mediocre and expensive Sparks with Metal over Flesh - incredibly awesome, better than EW Mecs, holy poo poo get this mod
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Tsurupettan posted:Now that I've beaten the game, my only questions are: You can always do LW2! I, personally, will not go back to vanilla XCOM2 because I like it so much.
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Just got the bundle expansion for xcom 2 on ps4 and I can't seem to access third map tier on levels. I go into a roof and can see a pipe or ladder with an arrow pointing up but I can't see the top (3rd level). Pressing up and down on the d pad I can only go to the first two tiers. Is this a known issue or is my dlc just loving up?
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JoelJoel posted:Just got the bundle expansion for xcom 2 on ps4 and I can't seem to access third map tier on levels. I go into a roof and can see a pipe or ladder with an arrow pointing up but I can't see the top (3rd level). Pressing up and down on the d pad I can only go to the first two tiers. Is this a known issue or is my dlc just loving up? I ran into this but only when the spot on the second floor was a valid location. Annoying but not disastrous. Though I could see it really loving you on a rooftop evac.
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I had an infuriating retaliation mission last night. It was my first, and it was easily the most frustrating mission I've had in LW2, not since the first Long War have I screamed and raged as much as I did at this one... and it was almost entirely due to the evac zone being on top of a cargo container that made it loving difficult to get people up onto- so many reloads due to that bullshit. Two members of the squad started out on fire too because Firebrand must really like BBQ, and I had no Specialist or medpacks to speak of which made things really fun. That being said, it was easily the best bit of XCOM I've had in a long time. In the end I got 10 rebels out of 12. Out of the remaining two, one I could see neither hide no hair of, and for the other I went out on a limb and grabbed them from the far side of the map and that's when things really went tits. I knew it was a bad idea, we were entirely out of damaging grenades and rockets by this point so it would have been prudent to leave her, but she dodged plasma fire three times and I felt I had to do something - so I sent a grenadier with the fastest legs up field to grab her. Next alien wave spawns around them, two turns later the civ is dead (killed in a rocket barrage) the squadie I assigned to act as regional adviser is panicking, the Grenadier is stunned and the Aliens are swarming over my position - I toss the last of my flashbangs, kill a handful, and pray. I manage to hold off them off (barely) near the evac point waiting for the stun on my grenadier to wear off, and in that round an Advent Grenadier drops a stun grenade on half the squad. I evac that turn, (again, major pain to get people ontop of the loving container) and everyone left is within at range of the evac... except a single Assault. I am ropeable, she's somebody whose been through a lot and done a fair bit of time in the AWC so losing her is not acceptable, but I'm doing scouts honour bronzeman and am a masochist so I pour one out and attempt to enter a state of zen. Disorridated and badly wounded, she runs and guns as far as she can to high cover and pulls off a 50% shot on a viper that would have pissed in her cornflakes. She manages to survives the next round, including a grazing hit that puts her at 1hp, and on her turn pulls off some low chance to hit pistol bullshit on two Advent troopers courtesy of the AWC (I can't even remember looking at the numbers, they were just bad) then lightning reflexes past an overwatch to the evac point, finally scoring a 40% shot with the shotgun, critical, on a mec - four kills in two turns while loving flashbanged an nearly dead. I was flabbergasted, and it more than made up for me chewing on my keyboard through most of the mission. It was on an order of magnitude like that time I found out the flamethrowers in LW1 could cause 'lids to panic right when I was staring a squad wipe down. Those last two turns more than made up for all the 90% misses I've had in XCOM to date. Rougey fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Feb 10, 2017 |
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FairGame posted:Shredstorms are great, but Blaster Bombs make Avenger Defense a hilariously short exercise with no risk. It's really nice when the game spawns it such that you could do that mission in one turn. http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=744464158 I mean, I farmed for XP because of course I did, but I was always one turn away from an easy win.
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