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imagine how good this show could have been if they had decided to let the characters age i guess they didnt know it'd go for like 30 years or whatever but man that one decision could have made this show an actual institution instead of this sad unfunny poo poo that refuses to die
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Thin Privilege posted:I called my big cat Bitey. When I was 12 we got two new cats and me and my younger sibling each got to name one. I named mine Tibor.
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Feb 10, 2017 06:26
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I don't think aging the characters would have helped. The fact is that it's incredibly rare for a tv show to go on for over a decade at all, much less go that long and not turn to poo poo. Unfortunately the nature of TV and the rarity of a show being profitable for that long will cause things to drag on and on long after they should have just stopped making them and retained dignity.
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Feb 10, 2017 06:32
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One thing that Family Guy I think mentioned in a commentary track during an early season was the shift of Peter from a toy factory to other jobs after the first few years. You'd maybe lose Mr. Burns (unless he pretty much owns Springfield) but I could have seen giving the characters a major lifestyle shake up every 4-5 years in terms of jobs, income, etc. could have helped them come up with some new story ideas rather than just excuses for one-off stories.
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Feb 10, 2017 06:39
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GoutPatrol posted:Also if Simpsons aged in real time then you wouldn't get cool poo poo like this anymore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpEhs67ViXg they butchered skinner's character later on too, i mean he was always a dweeb but he had layers with all the vietnam PTSD and had that dark "norma and norman bates" thing going on with him and his mum after season 8 though he's that weird spineless 44 year old virgin
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Feb 10, 2017 06:43
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TheIllestVillain posted:they butchered skinner's character later on too, i mean he was always a dweeb but he had layers with all the vietnam PTSD and had that dark "norma and norman bates" thing going on with him and his mum Yeah, they write him as a huge pussy now, but one of things that was so funny about him was that even though he was an enormous square you didn't want to piss him off
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Feb 10, 2017 06:46
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Yeah, they write him as a huge pussy now, but one of things that was so funny about him was that even though he was an enormous square you didn't want to piss him off https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39iTJGJYSD0
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Feb 10, 2017 06:47
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I wonder if the change was more of a generational target audience thing as the idea of "crazy vietnam guy" kinda stopped resonating with younger people or they just got lazy/more ZANY with it
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Feb 10, 2017 06:48
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Sentient Data posted:...was a relatively boring cash-in on the lego movie, and it even followed the same moral lesson if I'm remembering right Nah it was good. Also good was "Barthood" and "Halloween of Horror" in Season 27. I liked the recent hourlong one "The Great Phatsby," but it leans heavily on rapper stereotypes and is saved by the guest voices making something out of those characters. Mostly the recent seasons are bland and forgettable. Every once in awhile they do a good one, every once in awhile they do an atrocity.
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Feb 10, 2017 06:52
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can't talk about early Skinner without posting his most iconic scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ3keVaQZog
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Feb 10, 2017 07:01
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TheIllestVillain posted:can't talk about early Skinner without posting his most iconic scene I never noticed this before (I recently rewatched a lot of this show it's still fresh in my mind) but at the 27 second mark when Bart runs down the hill, this is just a reused animation from the Kamp Krusty episode where the kids are running away from a rolling boulder, but with only Bart and the image is backwards. edit: I just noticed someone pointed this out in the video comments but I totally had that realization on my own Junk fucked around with this message at 07:07 on Feb 10, 2017 |
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Feb 10, 2017 07:05
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:I wonder if the change was more of a generational target audience thing as the idea of "crazy vietnam guy" kinda stopped resonating with younger people or they just got lazy/more ZANY with it It seems like more of a copy-of-a-copy-of-a-copy thing. Each time they self-imitate, certain character traits get imitated more than others until they become defining characteristics, while other details that used to round the character out get completely lost. Like how Flanders just used to be a really nice guy who owed part of his niceness to being a good Christian. Then the Christian jokes— kind of funny originally— kept getting bigger and repeated so often that they became his singular defining characteristic, and by now the writers have simply forgotten that he used to have any other properties. Your post also touches on reason 1,578 in our inventory of reasons why Simpsons lost it, which is that most the characters are built on archetypes that have long lost any resonance. Like Marge, for example. Homemaker moms with beehive hairdos were a retro throwback when the show was invented. Literally the only people that could possibly connect with that anymore are 60+ years old. So what are you going to do with that archetype if you're not going to allow the character to grow one iota? I guess just keep dropping her into wacky modern situations, like "Marge plays an MMORPG." (Actual episode.)
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Feb 10, 2017 07:13
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TheIllestVillain posted:can't talk about early Skinner without posting his most iconic scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cln_sIP5s0U
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Feb 10, 2017 07:16
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I hate to defend new Simpsons, but Marge always did have a problem with behavioral addiction, so it's at least kinda believable she'd get hooked on an MMORPG
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Scudworth posted:I don't think aging the characters would have helped. The fact is that it's incredibly rare for a tv show to go on for over a decade at all, much less go that long and not turn to poo poo. Unfortunately the nature of TV and the rarity of a show being profitable for that long will cause things to drag on and on long after they should have just stopped making them and retained dignity. Goku grew up 
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If I were on the writing staff and were determined to put any effort into things, I would pitch an hourlong series finale which is basically a big "what if the show had aged in real time?" imagining where the characters would be now and what adventures they could have been on.
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Feb 10, 2017 07:20
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Junk posted:I never noticed this before (I recently rewatched a lot of this show it's still fresh in my mind) but at the 27 second mark when Bart runs down the hill, this is just a reused animation from the Kamp Krusty episode where the kids are running away from a rolling boulder, but with only Bart and the image is backwards. i rewatch it every few years and notice new things all the time, jokes especially like i was watching the episode where mr burns sells the plant the other day and found a new "smithers is gay joke" i totally missed the first few times i watched it https://youtu.be/q7jOzQC3XOw?t=35
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Feb 10, 2017 07:22
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Drink-Mix Man posted:If I were on the writing staff and were determined to put any effort into things, I would pitch an hourlong series finale which is basically a big "what if the show had aged in real time?" imagining where the characters would be now and what adventures they could have been on. "Holidays of Future Passed" from Season 23 was a bit of a look ahead type episode, and it was written as a series finale for if the cast negotiations went south. It was also a good late era episode.
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I have no idea why you'd ever want to ditch Murder Skinner. Norman Bates as a Green Beret sells itself.Drink-Mix Man posted:It seems like more of a copy-of-a-copy-of-a-copy thing. Each time they self-imitate, certain character traits get imitated more than others until they become defining characteristics, while other details that used to round the character out get completely lost. Like how Flanders just used to be a really nice guy who owed part of his niceness to being a good Christian. Then the Christian jokes— kind of funny originally— kept getting bigger and repeated so often that they became his singular defining characteristic, and by now the writers have simply forgotten that he used to have any other properties. Flanders' devolution has bothered me a long-rear end time. He was one of the best characters because he was the polar opposite of every other cynical, sarcastic, incompetent person in Springfield. It was great a great dynamic to have him so cheerful in response to their abrasiveness and at the same time, made you sympathize with Homer because fucker's so perfect he ain't even mad. Maude and the Lovejoys better fit the raving Christian quota because once you give Ned a fault, it destroys the joke of his character. You're not supposed to hate him for any other reason than you have absolutely no reason to hate him.
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Das Boo posted:I have no idea why you'd ever want to ditch Murder Skinner. Norman Bates as a Green Beret sells itself. Also, the show seems to have nothing positive to say about religion anymore and it's kind of ugly the way that anytime Christianity is brought up in the show, it's to tap the well of "haha, look at this superstitious, pious boob."
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Feb 10, 2017 08:18
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Ein cooler Typ posted:I like the Principal and the Pauper I'm pretty sure the Usenet backlash from those two episodes was so bad that the writers started doing deliberately lovely episodes as a big "gently caress you" to the "Worst Episode Ever" crew, and at some point it stopped being ironic
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Feb 10, 2017 09:24
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My favorite episode is Homer Badman, and could you imagine the thinkpieces that would create in YOOL 2017
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Feb 10, 2017 10:33
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Homer building a soapbox racer with bart was on today
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Feb 10, 2017 10:49
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Homer's actions became so sociopathic in a not funny way after season 9 that you actually question the mental capacities of anyone still watching for entertainment, much like LiveLeak executions or animal torture
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Feb 10, 2017 11:37
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PostNouveau posted:Nah it was good. Oh yeah, "Halloween of Horror" (their first non-Treehouse of Horror Halloween episode) was very good and far better than any of the THOH episodes since like, season 10?
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Space Crabs posted:That doesn't sound very funny, Simpsons. I think the saddest part of this, besides the fact that such a lovely episode concept exists, is the staff killed off Homer's mom as a one-off character because they're too deathly afraid of maybe shaking up the status quo a bit. Only one old family member can show up every once in a while! The viewers might be too scared otherwise!!!!
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Speaking of killing off characters, anyone remember a few years ago when they made a huge publicity stunt that "a citizen of Springfield is going to die!!" As the season premiere? Then it turned out it was Krusty's dad, who has been in no more than 3 episodes, and only prominently featured in one.
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Feb 10, 2017 15:44
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The episode where Flanders freaks out and burns the simpsons so hard is my all time favorite https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5ZYse6Vqtc
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sweetmercifulcrap posted:Speaking of killing off characters, anyone remember a few years ago when they made a huge publicity stunt that "a citizen of Springfield is going to die!!" As the season premiere? They should have spread rumors about contract negotiations with bart's voice actor breaking down, then had the episode include a quick <2min segment of the family at bart's non-evil twin brother's funeral
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Feb 10, 2017 16:24
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GoutPatrol posted:My favorite episode is Homer Badman, and could you imagine the thinkpieces that would create in YOOL 2017 goddamn homer badman is so good now this technology is new to me, but i'm pretty sure that's homer simpson in the oven, rotating slowly
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Feb 10, 2017 17:02
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Yes, I can in fact imagine the think pieces coming in 2017 - I saw their scathing representation of Russian president Vladimir Putin
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Feb 10, 2017 17:25
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there was nothing in al capones vault, but it was wasn't geraldo's fault
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Feb 10, 2017 18:56
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GoutPatrol posted:My favorite episode is Homer Badman, and could you imagine the thinkpieces that would create in YOOL 2017  
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i can just think of an older episode and laugh, so many good jokes "trobopoline! tromopoline!" "please dont bring home anymore used crutches!" "oh no you DONT, that trampoline is MINE!" "SIMPSON, Homer SIMPSON, hes the greatest guy in his-to-ryyy, from the, town of springfield, hes about to hit a chestnut treeee"
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sweetmercifulcrap posted:Speaking of killing off characters, anyone remember a few years ago when they made a huge publicity stunt that "a citizen of Springfield is going to die!!" As the season premiere? Danny Devito/Homer's brother apparently hated his time on the Simpsons for some reason, hence why we don't see much of Herb. They haven't killed him off because, you know, everyone loves Herb so much.
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Feb 10, 2017 20:31
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The Friday Night Lights lacrosse episode is pretty good.
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Piss de Bundy posted:"SIMPSON, Homer SIMPSON, hes the greatest guy in his-to-ryyy, from the, town of springfield, hes about to hit a chestnut treeee" If that scene was made today, he would hit the tree, and out would pop Kanye from the tree complaining that you disturbed his recording session.
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Feb 10, 2017 22:05
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The Simpsons are abducted by aliens who slice off homers rear end and feed it to their queen who then dies because homers rear end is poison. It wasn't a halloween episode.
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Feb 10, 2017 22:47
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happyhippy posted:If that scene was made today, he would hit the tree, and out would pop Kanye from the tree complaining that you disturbed his recording session. "Grammy winning rap artist, Kanye West?!"
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GoutPatrol posted:My favorite episode is Homer Badman, and could you imagine the thinkpieces that would create in YOOL 2017 TWO! FOUR! SIX! EIGHT! HOMER'S CRIME WAS VERY GREAT! GREAT, MEANING LARGE OR IMMENSE! WE USED IT IN THE PEJORATIVE SENSE!
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