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Deified Data posted:I hope this game never gets PVP so we can forgo the whole "Cancer Builds!1!!" hysteria that comes with games like this all together. At the very least I don't think Nioh will ever have invasions souls style. It sounds like its going to be a new optional mode released later on. So you won't absolutely have to go cancer build if you don't want.
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Lot of people walk right up to the ltightening dog boss and just attack til they die.
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Feb 10, 2017 21:23
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Harrow posted:They say it's getting PvP and to be honest I'm curious what it's going to look like. Unfortunately with their comments on co-op, limited fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Feb 10, 2017 |
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Feb 10, 2017 21:28
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Bombadilillo posted:Any soft caps? For things like Life, Ki, equip load, and onmyo magic/ninjutsu power and capacity, here's a good list: https://www.reddit.com/r/Nioh/comments/5t4wqk/stat_softcaps/ As for weapon damage, I can tell you I tested Heart up to 50 for katana damage last time I respecced. While there are a few stretches where you get 1 point of damage for a point of Heart, it always ends up going back up. Like going from 48 to 49 was 1 more damage, while 49 to 50 got me 4 more damage. Someone in the comments on that Reddit thread says that they started to really hit diminishing returns around 60 or so. Whenever I'm high enough level I plan to use a Book of Reincarnation just to take every stat from 5 to 99 in the level-up screen and see if I can find any real soft or hard caps along the way that aren't just fluctuations. limited posted:Fingers crossed it's a seperate arena mode dumped in on the main map online menu for the above reasons so folks can go buck wild without futzing up the campaign. "NPC invasions" aren't so much invasions as a specific enemy type that summons nearby revenants. I sorta doubt they'll have Souls-style invasions in this, especially as something added post-launch.
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Feb 10, 2017 21:30
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Harrow posted:"NPC invasions" aren't so much invasions as a specific enemy type that summons nearby revenants. I sorta doubt they'll have Souls-style invasions in this, especially as something added post-launch.  I stand corrected. I just thought they summoned those irritating fire-skull things, and the revenants were just a pure RNG to make going through the missions that bit harder!
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Feb 10, 2017 21:36
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Nope, it's the lute guys! If you kill them, the revenants stop coming. I'm not sure if killing them kills any revenants they've summoned too or not, I haven't tested that.
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Feb 10, 2017 21:37
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Axes are pretty fun, def gonna do a run with one, ki pulses are SUPER important but holy crap do they destroy.
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Feb 10, 2017 21:39
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I wish I could exclude a coop level. Tired of people not lighting the drat bonfires.
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Feb 10, 2017 21:39
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I think revenants sort of collect data on the person that died because I think they use the same fighting style that the person who died used...running into three revenants with the exact same set and I saw two different fighting styles with the same weapon. I'm hoping it's based on how the guy that died preferred to fight.
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Feb 10, 2017 21:40
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Bombadilillo posted:I wish I could exclude a coop level. Tired of people not lighting the drat bonfires. I lit all three fires on the water level just because I felt like I should, not sure if they do anything though. Are they responsible for the bigger fires at the end?
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Feb 10, 2017 21:41
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Thumbtacks posted:I lit all three fires on the water level just because I felt like I should, not sure if they do anything though. Are they responsible for the bigger fires at the end? Yeah. The 2 little enemies aren't in the boss fight anymore. Which just stun you enough that you die even with my help.
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Feb 10, 2017 21:46
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So at some point does the blacksmith gain access to forge other weapons that have innate elemental/magic/spirit scaling on them like you can with Raikiri? I really want an elemental spear for my body/skill/magic/spirit guy
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Feb 10, 2017 21:52
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How's the book of reincarnation work? It's description makes it seem like it's not exactly a souls-style "takes your level from X to 1 and gives you X-1 points to redistribute, bringing your level back to X"
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Feb 10, 2017 21:55
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Annath posted:How's the book of reincarnation work? It's description makes it seem like it's not exactly a souls-style "takes your level from X to 1 and gives you X-1 points to redistribute, bringing your level back to X" You don't have to use all of them. You can effectively delevel yourself.
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Feb 10, 2017 21:57
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Annath posted:How's the book of reincarnation work? It's description makes it seem like it's not exactly a souls-style "takes your level from X to 1 and gives you X-1 points to redistribute, bringing your level back to X" It drops you to level 1 and gives you back all of your skill points and spent amrita. So you're right, it doesn't just give you points back, just directly gives you your amrita back. That also means you can use it to level down if you really want to for some reason.
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Feb 10, 2017 21:57
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DeathSandwich posted:So at some point does the blacksmith gain access to forge other weapons that have innate elemental/magic/spirit scaling on them like you can with Raikiri? I really want an elemental spear for my body/skill/magic/spirit guy Eventually, yeah. But much sooner than that, you can honor duel a guy to get a really good fire spear. ve: No, it's a different guy later. SkeletonHero fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Feb 10, 2017 |
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Feb 10, 2017 21:58
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SkeletonHero posted:Eventually, yeah. But much sooner than that, you can honor duel a guy to get a really good fire spear. Is that what's his face that you rescued from the Tomb in the first act? I beat his duel and all I got was the blacksmith plans for the raikiri.
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Feb 10, 2017 22:03
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DeathSandwich posted:Is that what's his face that you rescued from the Tomb in the first act? I beat his duel and all I got was the blacksmith plans for the raikiri. No, there are more honorable duels than that. The spear guy's a bit later. There are a couple of spear guys you can duel for their stuff, actually.
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Feb 10, 2017 22:09
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Thumbtacks posted:I think revenants sort of collect data on the person that died because I think they use the same fighting style that the person who died used...running into three revenants with the exact same set and I saw two different fighting styles with the same weapon.
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Feb 10, 2017 22:11
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Man the sense everything talisman feels like cheating. I guess I could just not use it, I just want to find all my Kodama buddies. Don't think I've found anything at all with sense Kodama on it  .
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Feb 10, 2017 22:43
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It looks like I'm going to need to dump some points into Dex and Magic so I can unlock the additional dojo training sessions. I don't really rely on either; do the Adept and Veteran trainings require me to have gotten to a certain region first? That would help me pace out these less-useful levels. Also, does anyone else try and kill the red Revenants in a way that matches the description of how they died? I think some of them are kind of funny, like the Ladder Acrobat guy who always seems to have died from falling. His sword is usually by a cliff too, so I try and kick him off the edge to fulfill his destiny. Same with people who died from poison or fire. The Ladder Acrobat seems to have unique armor too, which is incentive enough for me to summon every red Revenant I run across.
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Feb 10, 2017 22:47
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I think all the sense x affixes are on helmets and charms
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Feb 10, 2017 22:48
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Harrow posted:Nope, it's the lute guys! If you kill them, the revenants stop coming. I'm not sure if killing them kills any revenants they've summoned too or not, I haven't tested that. No, killing the musician won't kill the revenants.
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Feb 10, 2017 22:49
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tap my mountain posted:I think all the sense x affixes are on helmets and charms Yeah, I have a helmet with Sense Enemies and a charm with Kodama Sense. LawfulWaffle posted:No, killing the musician won't kill the revenants. Good to know. There's that one sub-mission in the Hino-Enma cave that ends with a fight against a bunch of yokai with one of the musicians hiding in a locked room, and I must have killed him just before he finished summoning a revenant, then.
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Feb 10, 2017 22:51
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Harrow posted:Good to know. There's that one sub-mission in the Hino-Enma cave that ends with a fight against a bunch of yokai with one of the musicians hiding in a locked room, and I must have killed him just before he finished summoning a revenant, then. I think that's different. When you kill the last enemy or boss of a mission, all the other enemies die or despawn. You can run around opening chests but you can't summon any more revenants. So in that case, I think what you killed was a proverbial load-bearing musician that triggered the end state and killed every remaining enemy.
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Feb 10, 2017 22:53
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I found an incredibly cheap way to beat revenants and samurai duels. That fire landmine ninjutsu will knock them on their back and let you follow up with a finisher every time. Just beat the second samurai duel in one try, although he did seem easier than Muneshige.
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Feb 10, 2017 22:54
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Is there a certain stage of the game that I should wait before I start dicking around with reforging and crafting stuff? Just got to the second region.
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Feb 10, 2017 22:56
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teknetik posted:Is there a certain stage of the game that I should wait before I start diking around with reforging and crafting stuff? Just got to the second region. I've just been dissembling everything I'm not using and periodically forging new, higher level versions of my gear. The only level of materials that seem at all rare are the purples, so just use all blue mats and you won't be wasting anything. That said, you'd probably be fine just using loot you find.
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Feb 10, 2017 23:00
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Harrow posted:It drops you to level 1 and gives you back all of your skill points and spent amrita. So you're right, it doesn't just give you points back, just directly gives you your amrita back. If PvP does become a thing. And there is a meta level for pvping. That would be a good feature.
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Feb 10, 2017 23:07
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I think you're better off only soul matching stuff until the upper 40s where the price skyrockets to the 100,000s All materials can be rolled into the next highest tier so I wouldn't waste shittier ones on shittier equipment
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Feb 10, 2017 23:07
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I just meatgrindered almost my entire inventory. I went to my storage chest and locked stuff I wanted to keep and put stuff I wanted to keep for hypthothetical build changes (heavy armor that's good but I'm not using it), and then just disassembled everything.
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Feb 10, 2017 23:18
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LawfulWaffle posted:I think that's different. When you kill the last enemy or boss of a mission, all the other enemies die or despawn. You can run around opening chests but you can't summon any more revenants. So in that case, I think what you killed was a proverbial load-bearing musician that triggered the end state and killed every remaining enemy. There was still a skeleton warrior for me to fight, actually. I think I might have just gotten him right before he finished the summoning. Snak posted:I just meatgrindered almost my entire inventory. I went to my storage chest and locked stuff I wanted to keep and put stuff I wanted to keep for hypthothetical build changes (heavy armor that's good but I'm not using it), and then just disassembled everything. That is the correct thing to do. If you need money, you can also sell any crafting materials you don't plan to use (they sell for more than just selling the assembled item, funnily enough). But money isn't used for much other than respeccing and Soul Matching so unless you plan to keep the same weapon forever instead of just crafting a new one or something, money's not a huge deal.
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LawfulWaffle posted:I think that's different. When you kill the last enemy or boss of a mission, all the other enemies die or despawn. You can run around opening chests but you can't summon any more revenants. So in that case, I think what you killed was a proverbial load-bearing musician that triggered the end state and killed every remaining enemy. Human enemies all seem to do the ors pose and become uninteractable when you beat a mission. There was one mission in the third area that I beat after exploring like 5% of the level so it was pretty funny running around the rest of it seeing all these faceplanted dudes.
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Feb 10, 2017 23:25
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Everyone keeps talking about the ki pulse dodge ability but I can't find it on the skill tree for the life of me. Where is it?
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veni veni veni posted:Everyone keeps talking about the ki pulse dodge ability but I can't find it on the skill tree for the life of me. Where is it? There's three separate ki pulse dodge abilities for each weapon, one for each stance. They're one row underneath the base skill for each stance. edit: They're called "High/Mid/Low Stance: Living Water" I think?
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Feb 10, 2017 23:35
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Oh. Excellent. I think I saw that and didn't realize what it was.
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Feb 10, 2017 23:36
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Snak posted:I just meatgrindered almost my entire inventory. I went to my storage chest and locked stuff I wanted to keep and put stuff I wanted to keep for hypthothetical build changes (heavy armor that's good but I'm not using it), and then just disassembled everything. No good luck finding anything worth crafting thats not a katana
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Feb 10, 2017 23:41
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I keep finding the boss of a level and letting it kill me because I haven't explored the whole level.
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Feb 10, 2017 23:45
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Finally got the game today, Derrick was a real funny first boss. "Man Derrick, you're just awful." - After leisurely hopping out of his way with medium dodges and chopping him to death in full knight armor *Comes back as a huge fuckoff oni* "Goddammit Derrick." - After once again just swooping to his sides and slicing him up good
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LawfulWaffle posted:It looks like I'm going to need to dump some points into Dex and Magic so I can unlock the additional dojo training sessions. I don't really rely on either; do the Adept and Veteran trainings require me to have gotten to a certain region first? That would help me pace out these less-useful levels. Yea it's region locked. The last training ones are in the 4th region and need 15 in ninjutsu / magic. I wonder if you can unlock the skills by beating the missions, then respec out of the stats and it will keep the skills unlocked for you to learn later.
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