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WampaLord posted:That's the funny thing. He does have a personal phone, he's just being paranoid as gently caress for no reason. he's reading the permissions to imply the company's mandated he wear a lojack and a bug that'll turn itself on without his knowledge, and yeah that's the most paranoid possible reading of those permissions but when in doubt on poo poo like that it's entirely reasonable to assume the worst until someone shows otherwise. it's not a normal thing or something a normal person with balls and a spine should just roll over and accept that their boss is peeping on them outside of work hours the real core issue tho is if they're requiring him to be on call and carry around their leash out of office hours, they better loving be paying him for those hours imo A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Feb 11, 2017 |
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I don't know if any kids want to be assured that their parents have a great sex life. Don't most kids think their parents having sex is really gross and don't want to know about it? The kids in this situation will never accidentally walk in on their parents having sex. I think it sounds like a pretty happy arrangement for everyone.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:he's reading the permissions to imply the company's mandated he wear a lojack and a bug that'll turn itself on without his knowledge, and yeah that's the most paranoid possible reading of those permissions but when in doubt on poo poo like that it's entirely reasonable to assume the worst until someone shows otherwise. you can be assured they aren't "exempt"
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:it's not a normal thing or something a normal person with balls and a spine should just roll over and accept that their boss is peeping on them outside of work hours But there's no peeping being done. Put the phone in a drawer if you're crazy paranoid about it listening in on you or whatever, but they're not using it to bug his loving home.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:the real core issue tho is if they're requiring him to be on call and carry around their leash out of office hours, they better loving be paying him for those hours imo I'm required to able to answer a phone at almost all times in my current job. They called me outside of office hours exactly twice last year. It's really not a big deal if the company isn't poo poo and doesn't bother you unless it's absolutely needed.
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How about you just don't get issued an electric leash so you don't have to worry about foiling it in order to live your life at all, how about that How about you do the job you're paid for, and go home, and if there's an actual legit emergency they have your personal number Why the gently caress would you pull a Mirthless over 'theres nothing to worry about if you've got nothing to hide'
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Why the gently caress would you pull a Mirthless over 'theres nothing to worry about if you've got nothing to hide' There's two different issues here. One is that work is requiring him to be on call. I'm not in favor of that, work your 40 hours and go home. I would hate to have a work phone. However, the other issue is that he thinks the phone is a goddamn spy device. What exactly do you think the company can gain from bugging a random low level employee? Do you think they're constantly recording audio on the phone to hear if he disparages work? He's paranoid over nothing.
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[Personal issues] I [20F] can't trust my friends if they watch animequote:Hi,
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WampaLord posted:There's two different issues here. One is that work is requiring him to be on call. I'm not in favor of that, work your 40 hours and go home. I would hate to have a work phone. I had a friend work at a company that would send warnings if you said disparaging things, especially about any work related task duty or employee, oover the mandatory company chat feature. The second time you just got fired.
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WampaLord posted:There's two different issues here. One is that work is requiring him to be on call. I'm not in favor of that, work your 40 hours and go home. I would hate to have a work phone. ^^^ every MDM platform has those permission requirements, citrix needs control over the microphone because apps within citrix may need access to the mic and aren't being installed natively. If you run a web conference thru an app in citrix, citrix needs access to the microphone If his company really is spying on employees through location data that's concerning but we don't know what his company does and keeping track of devices (rather than people) and the data on those devices is sometimes really goddamn important. MDM is about keeping company data secure, if it's being used unethically it's not a problem with the phone or even the practice, it's a problem with his employer
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I think 1. It's not actually capable of being used for spying like that, but it's reasonable to check when in any doubt and doesn't, uh, make you uncool or whatever and 2. You'd have to be phenomenally stupid to assume anything short of total unreasonable malice from anyone who'd require you to carry around a device for them to spy on you with Like, you're literally trotting out all the NSA's bluster about how it couldn't and wouldn't do what it was actually factually doing all the while, years after it became well-documented common knowledge that half the tech companies out there are doing exactly that kind of poo poo as a business model, to argue that it's wrong and unreasonable for this guy to, uh, try to understand a TOS for a device he doesn't want but his boss is pushing on him. What the gently caress is to be gained from arguing that this dude shouldn't be protective of his privacy, what the gently caress is your angle here A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Feb 11, 2017 |
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WampaLord posted:There's two different issues here. One is that work is requiring him to be on call. I'm not in favor of that, work your 40 hours and go home. I would hate to have a work phone. It's normal to be on-call in high level IT support roles where you are one of 5 people in the company who can be consulted on the domain controller imploding at 4AM or whatever. If you accurately value your own skills and are respected in your role, these support guys tend to be paid very well, so having to take an annoying call maybe twice in a given month, based on the rotation, for six figures is fine and generally expected. The problem comes when people take it up the rear end in some low-end help desk role where they're paid $35k and are expected to be on-call 24/7. Roles like that should 100% expect to work your 40 hours per week and never touch the job outside of work. The company is usually taking huge advantage of you in that scenario, unless they're (not) paying handsomely. I agree dude is extremely paranoid. While I'm sure there's 1 in 100,000 shady rear end companies who are giving work phones out to record their employees or otherwise monitor them at all times and somehow dodging hilarious lawsuits, the minuscule chances this guy's company are abusing the phone app to spy on him at home are less than zero. Just stick the work phone in your car or whatever if you're that paranoid and cool it. Cough Drop The Beat fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Feb 11, 2017 |
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I think 1. It's not actually capable of being used for spying like that, but it's reasonable to check when in any doubt and doesn't, uh, make you uncool or whatever and 2. You'd have to be phenomenally stupid to assume anything short of total unreasonable malice from anyone who'd require you to carry around a device for them to spy on you with The difference is the NSA has the manpower to analyze all that data. You think his company's HR department is pouring over every single employee's device, listening to hours of audio to see if he says something bad when he's at home? You're giving way too much credit to companies, they're mostly incompetent.
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Guys who agree to work 60-hour weeks so they can make a ton of money are dickless losers but if you ever ask the internet questions when your boss tries to make you take some shady poo poo you don't want or understand home you are a FOOL
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WampaLord posted:The difference is the NSA has the manpower to analyze all that data. You think his company's HR department is pouring over every single employee's device, listening to hours of audio to see if he says something bad when he's at home? Exactly. Contending that companies are secretly spying on their employees is ridiculous if you've actually been around enough to understand just how little the imaginary cackling executive or HR manager understands. The organization I work for is barely allowed to record basic help desk calls for ordinary metrics and accountability, thanks to upper management bureaucracy. Do you really expect them to be using MDM on work iPhones to spy on their workers? It's a question of lack of competence, not intent, at like 98% of workplaces out there. Cough Drop The Beat fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Feb 11, 2017 |
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Dunning Krugerrand posted:I've seen this story before and the update is even better. I wanted to bold the highlights but it's so crazy I would have to bold the whole thing. Fiance's a piece of poo poo, but I got all warm fuzzies reading about how her friends and family are taking care of her. How did she become involved with the fiance when she has such healthy, supportive relationships aside from that one?
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Guys who agree to work 60-hour weeks so they can make a ton of money are dickless losers but if you ever ask the internet questions when your boss tries to make you take some shady poo poo you don't want or understand home you are a FOOL Guys who freak out over application permission requests and email IT to complain are dickless losers as well. Complain to whoever is making you have the phone, don't bitch to IT.
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Bored posted:Fiance's a piece of poo poo, but I got all warm fuzzies reading about how her friends and family are taking care of her. I gotta assume it's like the people who refuse to believe bad parents even exist because their own are great, she has no experience with assholes and no idea what to look for re: warning signs
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finally got caught up to 600 pages and: behead those who insult anime
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:finally got caught up to 600 pages and: behead those who insult anime 
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Anime, not even once
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I am sorry, but on the matter of the telephone, I am in complete agreement with the OP. Whether or not the company is actually abusing those characteristics of the app, it is completely unacceptable to require a person to have that program installed and have the phone with them. If you were allowed to keep the phone at work, then I would say that was fine. However, just because your company probably isn't going to use 24/7 geolocating to track you, because they don't care that much, doesn't mean they should have the means to do so. I think that people are way too blasé about their own security and their own privacy. This is one of the reasons why I use cash for many of my purchases. It is not because I am buying anything inappropriate, it is simply because I do not like the idea of companies tracking my purchases. At it's very most benign, that information is used to try to sell me other products and a targeted way. gently caress you, go away, I will decide what I buy for myself Pick fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Feb 11, 2017 |
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btw I can't find it does anyone have that goddamn thriller novel of a post series about some kid whose sweet little old estranged grandma who mom never talks about reached out to her on facebook, and when she visited her the parents freaked out and sure enough a week later mom's whole cult family is stalking them and trying to abduct the kids
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Pick posted:I am sorry, but on the matter of the telephone, I am in complete agreement with the OP. Whether or not the company is actually abusing those characteristics of the app, it is completely unacceptable to require a person to have that program installed and have the phone with them. If you were allowed to keep the phone at work, then I would say that was fine. However, just because your company probably isn't going to use 24/7 geolocating to track you, because they don't care that much, doesn't mean they should have the means to do so. You have to keep in mind, some companies deal with data that needs to be kept at a very high level of confidentiality for a variety of reasons and those companies absolutely need to be able to control the devices that access that data. I did a lot of MDM troubleshooting when I worked for Pfizer and you can imagine they have a lot of reasons in that industry to keep data secure. Nuking phones remotely requires a lot of permissions, so does locating them when they've gone missing. We have no idea who this guy works for (or what the extent of his job responsibilities are) Mirthless fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Feb 11, 2017 |
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Tolkien minority posted:[Personal issues] I [20F] can't trust my friends if they watch anime this is normal, and then she has extra reasons. seems legit to me.
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Mirthless posted:You have to keep in mind, some companies deal with data that needs to be kept at a very high level of confidentiality for a variety of reasons and those companies absolutely need to be able to control the devices that access that data. Considering how frequently that data is either compromised by hackers or misused by company executives, gently caress em. They shouldn't be collecting it.
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Mirthless posted:You have to keep in mind, some companies deal with data that needs to be kept at a very high level of confidentiality for a variety of reasons and those companies absolutely need to be able to control the devices that access that data. A far more efficient kind of data security for these companies is to skip the Mission Impossible gadgetry, and not issue mobile devices loaded with sensitive data to the new guy who doesn't understand what's going on and tell him to just always carry it on him Improbable Lobster posted:Considering how frequently that data is either compromised by hackers or misused by company executives, gently caress em. They shouldn't be collecting it. A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Feb 11, 2017 |
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In that case, I should be able to keep my loving phone at work. If they need me, they can assign me a pager and then I'll call them.
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Pick posted:In that case, I should be able to keep my loving phone at work. If they need me, they can assign me a pager and then I'll call them. I agree that he's getting hosed over by his work requiring him to be able to be called at all hours unless he's being paid for that time, which I assume he's not.
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Don't be paranoid, the device won't be used to spy on you, that's crazy conspiracy theorist talk. We just need to be able to access the webcam remotely so we can find the device if it gets stolen. *takes secret photographs of underage children in their bedrooms*
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Tolkien minority posted:[Personal issues] I [20F] can't trust my friends if they watch anime Anime is poison and I hope this lady gets away from her lovely friends who embrace that crap as something of worth.
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quote:she said he had a very small penis, something like 2 inches so he couldnt satisfy her. Pick you lied to us you said it was okay
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Don't be paranoid, the device won't be used to spy on you, that's crazy conspiracy theorist talk. We just need to be able to access the webcam remotely so we can find the device if it gets stolen. Don't be ridiculous, no company can match the tech-savvy of a public school
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Also my friends that work with defense contractors on highly secret crypto projects just aren't allowed to have their phones (or anything else like a USB drive or whatever) with them while in the workplace. Just do that. I wouldn't want my company having 24/7 phone lockdown privileges on me, either. Would probably end up having 2 separate phones for work + private which is dumb.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Don't be paranoid, the device won't be used to spy on you, that's crazy conspiracy theorist talk. We just need to be able to access the webcam remotely so we can find the device if it gets stolen. Are we arguing about the concept of spying in general or just this one dude's situation? Because my answer changes depending on that. This dude has a phone. He can put it in a drawer if he thinks it's listening in on him, but I promise it isn't.
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This thread is a constant, pleasant reminder that a friendless, reclusive life is still a lot healthier than what a lot of people live. Thanks, reddit! E: so long as you don't watch anime and be a recluse together
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WampaLord posted:The difference is the NSA has the manpower to analyze all that data. You think his company's HR department is pouring over every single employee's device, listening to hours of audio to see if he says something bad when he's at home? Also all it takes is one fuckhead in HR with a grudge and suddenly they are using their poo poo to harass individual employees. This is a lawsuit waiting to happen even aside from the OP's situation. It's just a bad idea. Obv HR doesn't have the manpower to monitor all employees at all times but it's not either that or nothing. The NSA doesn't have the manpower to monitor all citizens at all hours either but they still pass good nudes around to each other. (https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/07/snowden-nsa-employees-routinely-pass-around-intercepted-nude-photos/)
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Moridin920 posted:The NSA doesn't have the manpower to monitor all citizens at all hours either but they still pass good nudes around to each other. (https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/07/snowden-nsa-employees-routinely-pass-around-intercepted-nude-photos/) Well I would hope he would be smart enough to not take nudes using his work phone. Pick posted:Confident my company won't be able and willing to try to blackmail me in ten years? Yes I am confident of that. Did you work for the mob?
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