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Jesus...a lot of you have a horrible understanding of why companies use MDX software like this guy has on his WORK PROVIDED PHONE. Do you think they put that stuff on there because they just want to? They put it on there because their employees want the ability to be productive and conduct work business from a mobile device. Due to the nature of whatever it is they do, they need to secure the data and the device that they use so that the company and it's data are not compromised by external hacking, the device being lost, use of unsecured apps, or an employee deciding to go rogue and do things they shouldn't. MDX software basically controls what you can put on a device through restrictions set by an admin policy, it has to be installed at all times because it is the method the company uses to provide apps and services to the device, removing it will make the device unsecure and worthless as a work device. It needs full access because it CONTROLS WHAT THE PHONE CAN DO, without full access they can't enable apps that do need the mic (video conferencing and the like). His phone is basically the same loving thing as having a work issued laptop that is managed by IT. The MDX software is just the only way for IT to do the same stuff because they don't have direct access to the OS like you can get in WIndows. Obviously it can be abused, anything can be abused, but the software is a direct response to people moving a lot of tasks they used to do on a computer to their phone/mobile device. If you think the norm is that companies are doing anything other than covering their asses (most often because they are legally required to) then you've watched too many movies about big brother. If you don't want to be "on call" for your job, fine. But it's a normal thing in many fields/jobs and unless you're at a poo poo company, you are being compensated for the availability in your salary.
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I downloaded this app called Skype, it asked for mic permissions and I got scared so I smashed my iPad with a hammer just to be safe
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Moridin920 posted:e: bleh nm I pay cash some of the time and use other methods other times and rotate them. I also often have my physical address be my PO Box if I don't think that institution needs to know where I drop my average deuce
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Feb 11, 2017 20:19
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I'm glad the IT geniuses of this thread have established that this guy is both a laughable Luddite idiot totally unaware of the physical impossibility of ever abusing app permissions and involved in a high-paid, highly specialized, high security niche job involving firefighter hours and handling sensitive data that he doesn't know anything about. This seems probable, versus the unlikely scenario of two incredible retards who die on every idiot hill going into contortions to avoid ever admitting they're wrong
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The last Security/Telco place I worked for when I was still in IT abused the hell out of those GPS capabilities. One of the Executives would essentially randomly "spin the roulette wheel", pick an employee, and check their GPS data, leading to conversations like "You said on your time card that you were back on the road at 12:13, but the GPS puts you in a McDonalds at 12:15! That's company time!" As you can imagine, it went to court once or twice, and nothing ever happened because you essentially signed those rights away in the War and Peace sized IT-Use policy you accepted when you were employed.
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Feb 11, 2017 20:31
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The new company policy is that you can't have sex without giving Unwashed Dennis From IT the ability to listen in. Don't worry though, Dennis probably won't bother.
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Ouhei posted:Jesus...a lot of you have a horrible understanding of why companies use MDX software like this guy has on his WORK PROVIDED PHONE. Do you think they put that stuff on there because they just want to? They put it on there because their employees want the ability to be productive and conduct work business from a mobile device. Due to the nature of whatever it is they do, they need to secure the data and the device that they use so that the company and it's data are not compromised by external hacking, the device being lost, use of unsecured apps, or an employee deciding to go rogue and do things they shouldn't. MDX software basically controls what you can put on a device through restrictions set by an admin policy, it has to be installed at all times because it is the method the company uses to provide apps and services to the device, removing it will make the device unsecure and worthless as a work device. It needs full access because it CONTROLS WHAT THE PHONE CAN DO, without full access they can't enable apps that do need the mic (video conferencing and the like). I hope this really goddamn stupidly braindead ignorant tangent about "privacy" (which it really isn't, because you shouldn't be afforded any degree of privacy on a device issued and managed by your employer, beyond obvious illegal extremes) ends after you all read this post on how MDM software legitimately functions.
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:"privacy" (which really isn't, because you shouldn't be afforded any privacy on a device issued and managed by your employer, beyond obvious illegal extremes) If I'm required to carry that device with me at all times, such as when I am in my home or when I am having sex, and it is capable of listening in on wherever I take it, then yes, actually, that does violate reasonable expectations of privacy.
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Pick posted:this is normal, and then she has extra reasons. seems legit to me. I have none of those issues and people watching alot of anime will cause me to reevaluate me being friends with them
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"IT guys just aren't that interested in your personal lives" he posted to the SomethingAwful thread about r/relationships
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"I don't see the problem with the company installing security cameras in my private residence. They're COMPANY cameras that the COMPANY paid for and were installed in my home by the COMPANY, why would I expect any sort of privacy from them?"
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Lottery of Babylon posted:If I'm required to carry that device with me at all times, such as when I am in my home or when I am having sex, and it is capable of listening in on wherever I take it, then yes, actually, that does violate reasonable expectations of privacy. It can't do this part, okay?
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WampaLord posted:It can't do this part, okay? That's what Lower Merion School District said.
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All this tells me is that goons would go all in on company towns.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:If I'm required to carry that device with me at all times, such as when I am in my home or when I am having sex, and it is capable of listening in on wherever I take it, then yes, actually, that does violate reasonable expectations of privacy. Lottery of Babylon posted:"I don't see the problem with the company installing security cameras in my private residence. They're COMPANY cameras that the COMPANY paid for and were installed in my home by the COMPANY, why would I expect any sort of privacy from them?" This never happens, despite your fantasies about the big brother corporate state violating your rights and spying on your family. Quit conflating what happens in the latest Bourne Identity or James Bond movie to real life. 
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:This never happens, despite your fantasies about the big brother corporate state violating your rights and spying on your family. Quit conflating what happens in the latest Bourne Identity or James Bond movie to real life. I literally posted a case where it literally happened a page ago, so
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Lottery of Babylon posted:I literally posted a case where it literally happened a page ago, so I work for the state in a role where I know much of how the IT infrastructure functions and our MDM software cannot do that, and even if it somehow did which it cannot, say hello to a hilariously massive class-action lawsuit. Worry about real privacy implications that are happening each and every day out in the real world, not what the corporate devices provided to you by your company are doing and how they managed to minimize risk and violations for them as much as possible.
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:I work for the state in a role where I know much of how the IT infrastructure functions and our MDM software cannot do that, and even if it somehow did which it cannot, say hello to a hilariously massive class-action lawsuit. Worry about real privacy implications that are happening each and every day out in the real world, not on corporate devices provided to you by your company and managed by them to minimize risk for them as much as possible. Corporations regularly abuse the rights of their employees because they're run by assholes
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CheesyDog posted:"IT guys just aren't that interested in your personal lives" he posted to the SomethingAwful thread about r/relationships
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Improbable Lobster posted:Corporations regularly abuse the rights of their employees because they're run by assholes Don't work for those companies. Simple.
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:Don't work for those companies. Simple. Most people don't really have much choice about their place of work. Finding a good job isn't exactly easy.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:"I don't see the problem with the company installing security cameras in my private residence. They're COMPANY cameras that the COMPANY paid for and were installed in my home by the COMPANY, why would I expect any sort of privacy from them?" Because this is obviously the same situation as having a work managed cell phone. I'm curious if the anti-work phone people are ok with IT managed laptops that you take home, because those are basically the same loving thing.
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Ouhei posted:Because this is obviously the same situation as having a work managed cell phone. If you're literally required to take it home and leave it on, then yeah I would have an issue with that
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Just don't bring the phone home problem solved. My brother-in-law worked on a class action suit involving Best Buy because they had some GeekSquad employees secretly installing cameras in teen girl's bathrooms on service calls. IT guys def care about your nudes don't let them tell you otherwise!
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DragQueenofAngmar posted:If you're literally required to take it home and leave it on, then yeah I would have an issue with that
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On the other hand if they turn me into Adam Jenson I'd let them check me out when I jerk it no problem. Aug me up.
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SHUT UP ABOUT YOUR PRIVATES!quote:My [26F] boyfriend [27M] things I'm completely invading his privacy. Am I wrong here? Infidelity
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Moridin920 posted:Just don't bring the phone home problem solved. He is required to bring the phone home because he is "on call" in case of emergencies, so he can't just leave it at work. It should be noted that he doesn't object to being on call at all in his post or comments. If he's really concerned he should leave the phone in something (drawer, car, whatever) and check on it periodically to make sure he hasn't been called (he said it's extremely rare that he is contacted after hours). What several posters in here are trying to point out is that the MDX software is a necessity based on how people are using their mobile devices these days and it requires the access it does because they need to be able to get the apps and services to the device through their secured methods. If you're in certain industries (government, healthcare, etc) then there are literal laws around how you manage mobile devices and data that you have to be compliant with in order to operate, MDX software installed on mobile devices is part of what they literally are legally required to do in many cases.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I'm glad the IT geniuses of this thread have established that this guy is both a laughable Luddite idiot totally unaware of the physical impossibility of ever abusing app permissions and involved in a high-paid, highly specialized, high security niche job involving firefighter hours and handling sensitive data that he doesn't know anything about. This seems probable, versus the unlikely scenario of two incredible retards who die on every idiot hill going into contortions to avoid ever admitting they're wrong  But he should talk to IT. Does he just need to take it home to be reachable? Maybe they'd be ok with Google voice forwarding for that.
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Ouhei posted:He is required to bring the phone home because he is "on call" in case of emergencies, so he can't just leave it at work. It should be noted that he doesn't object to being on call at all in his post or comments. I'ma keep pushing Faraday cage. quote:Does he just need to take it home to be reachable? And yeah idk why something like that couldn't be used as just a "hey poo poo's happening get here please."
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Someone suggested that to him in the comments, depending on how strictly they regulate devices he might not be allowed to do that, but it's a decent workaround if he's that paranoid about it.
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Yeah forward the calls to your personal phone that they can't track, then keep the work phone powered down or at home in a drawer or something so you can check emails or whatever if someone calls you about and says "look at the email I sent you about the emergency problem" or whatever. Then you are reachable but don't have a tracking device on you. Easy peasy.
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The real problem is the old Android permission model (read: the one 90%+ of phones in the field will have) On iPhones / newer Android you always have the option to switch off mic/camera/etc permission at will* and also on iOS if an app is listening to you in the background there is a big red banner warning you and the app developer cannot disable it. *OK I don't actually know if MDM lets admins disable permission toggles but for the citrix use case they're not gonna disable it
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Bubblyblubber posted:SHUT UP ABOUT YOUR PRIVATES! Imagine if the bad boyfriends of Reddit brought this level of moxie to something more useful than humiliating anyone willing to touch their dicks, they'd be unstoppable
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