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unlimited shrimp
Aug 30, 2008
Are there any male critics of toxic masculinity who aren't either blobs or a toneless androgynes?

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passionate dongs
May 23, 2001

Snitchin' is Bitchin'

the trump tutelage posted:

Are there any male critics of toxic masculinity who aren't either blobs or a toneless androgynes?

what kind of man are you looking for

passionate dongs
May 23, 2001

Snitchin' is Bitchin'
a strong virile man?

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

the trump tutelage posted:

Are there any male critics of toxic masculinity who aren't either blobs or a toneless androgynes?

its either those two or nerdy but sorta handsome beareded hipsters types. most of have buddy holly or thick rimmed glasses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWw7LwIYHbA

they are mostly sadbrains like this legit sadsack here who tanked his career for his gf who used him and dumped him.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

the trump tutelage posted:

Are there any male critics of toxic masculinity who aren't either blobs or a toneless androgynes?
i wouldn't say arthur chu fits either profile

passionate dongs
May 23, 2001

Snitchin' is Bitchin'
the only word i'll believe is that of a man who can crush my head with his powerful thighs

Baku
Aug 20, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

passionate dongs posted:

what kind of man are you looking for

passionate dongs posted:

a strong virile man?

passionate dongs posted:

the only word i'll believe is that of a man who can crush my head with his powerful thighs

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

get that OUT of my face posted:

i wouldn't say arthur chu fits either profile

Arthur Chu's meltdown when being interviewed by David Pakman fills my heart with glee.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=098t08Ow6TQ&

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

FuzzySkinner posted:

Arthur Chu's meltdown when being interviewed by David Pakman fills my heart with glee.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=098t08Ow6TQ&

you know. if the journalists had just admitted they hosed up with Quinn and various other poo poo imdietly and didnt just ban the topic or poo poo on all nerds for not imdietly beliveing a mental ill person. Gamer gate would have died right there and poo poo probaly wouldnt have gotten bad. but they pulled a Streisand effect.

Can we all just admit that Chu (and alot of the others) just wanted to bang Quinn? I swear I have never seen someone derail a conservation multiple times to bring up some chick. "What is wrong with my interviewing?" "Ummmm.... Zoey Quinn." "I never interviewed Zoey Quinn. I meant Brenda Wu." "Dude but Zoey Quinn..." Jerk one then go into interview because you obviously can't think straight.

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Lindsey O. Graham
Dec 31, 2016

"We're not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term."

- The Chief

Dapper_Swindler posted:

yeah, he definitely got beat up(or thought he was beat up) in high school and that left a massive "gently caress the dumbs". the dude is a ivory tower elistist fuckhead. i remember he was talking about how he would rather have progressive corporations rule because at least they would be enlightened.


same. I always loved patton but he kinda started going of the edge and then went all the way off when his wife passed, which is sad. i stopped liking him when he poo poo on james rolfe because he didnt want to see a movie.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/feb/10/john-wick-chapter-2-gun-violence-keanu-reeves

lol.

i can't imagine why losing a loved one to sudden death would change my demeanor, it's quite confusing to me the concept of grief, why not just pop open a whiskey bottle

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Dapper_Swindler posted:

same. I always loved patton but he kinda started going of the edge and then went all the way off when his wife passed, which is sad. i stopped liking him when he poo poo on james rolfe because he didnt want to see a movie.

i dunno wtf ur talkin about but the framing job ur doin here makes me feel like rolfe was mad about ladybustin and patton was defensive about ghostwomen and so they had a big pissy twitter slapfight and everyone who took sides walked away feeling Not Even Mad In Fact Theyre The Mad Ones??????!!!

am i close???

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Al! posted:

i dunno wtf ur talkin about but the framing job ur doin here makes me feel like rolfe was mad about ladybustin and patton was defensive about ghostwomen and so they had a big pissy twitter slapfight and everyone who took sides walked away feeling Not Even Mad In Fact Theyre The Mad Ones??????!!!

am i close???

surprisingly no. people asked rolfe about the movie, he made a video saying he wasnt interested in watching it or reviewing it.(he wasnt even mad, he just said it looked like a cash in and wasnt interested) and then patton and bunch of others poo poo on him for a week or so. Rolfe doesnt do twitter poo poo, hell he doesnt even do drama, he never has. he does just videos for fun and because he loves making films, he isnt some sargon/alt right dickhead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz8X2A7wHyQ

no yelling or screaming or anything.

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

Al! posted:

i dunno wtf ur talkin about but the framing job ur doin here makes me feel like rolfe was mad about ladybustin and patton was defensive about ghostwomen and so they had a big pissy twitter slapfight and everyone who took sides walked away feeling Not Even Mad In Fact Theyre The Mad Ones??????!!!

am i close???

I think that's accurate.

I don't know. I found a few goonettes and female geek friends of mine who were over the moon over the new Ghostbusters. It's not my cup of tea (nor was the original to be honest), but I'm happy they were happy about it.

I don't know why the likes of Patton and others really give a poo poo about people not wanting to see a movie. Feels like for every couple of Rolfes, Amazing Atheist's (can I insert a banana reference here?) and others? You had a lot of girls who were really enthusiastic about it. So why care?

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

FuzzySkinner posted:

I think that's accurate.

I don't know. I found a few goonettes and female geek friends of mine who were over the moon over the new Ghostbusters. It's not my cup of tea (nor was the original to be honest), but I'm happy they were happy about it.

I don't know why the likes of Patton and others really give a poo poo about people not wanting to see a movie. Feels like for every couple of Rolfes, Amazing Atheist's (can I insert a banana reference here?) and others? You had a lot of girls who were really enthusiastic about it. So why care?

because they need to feel progressive and "hip" and for some reason they made that movie into the Verdun of culture war stuff aka "if your not with me, then your my enemy". like its an eh movie but it wasn't my thing in the 1st place and i never cared about 1(its funny enough) and 2(its poo poo). i like the actresses enough and i think with a different director(feige is terrible and falls on a crutch of just letting people riff for to long) and writers it could have been pretty funny. i think what pissed off alot of nerds(in my opinon at least and apart from the dumbfuck alt right.) was that sony did a poo poo job at marketing and when it went over badly, they started screaming at old fans and actively making GBS threads on them. if your going to do a reboot, you have to at least try to win over the sadbrains who love the franchise, aka like what episode 7 did. either good on people who genuinely enjoyed it.

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Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Lindsey O. Graham posted:

i can't imagine why losing a loved one to sudden death would change my demeanor, it's quite confusing to me the concept of grief, why not just pop open a whiskey bottle

i know. it probaly did do it. like I feel bad for him, because he is still funny, he has just become kinda of a dickhead.

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

Dapper_Swindler posted:

i know. it probaly did do it. like I feel bad for him, because he is still funny, he has just become kinda of a dickhead.

People handle grief differently.

I don't quite know if his wife's death caused him to become the type of guy who just rages out at Piers Morgan to be honest. It's a possibility though.

I feel bad for the guy. I saw my dad have to raise two kids after losing his wife, and to see Patton have to raise a daughter? Well yeah...that would loving suck.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

FuzzySkinner posted:

People handle grief differently.

I don't quite know if his wife's death caused him to become the type of guy who just rages out at Piers Morgan to be honest. It's a possibility though.

I feel bad for the guy. I saw my dad have to raise two kids after losing his wife, and to see Patton have to raise a daughter? Well yeah...that would loving suck.

yeah, its sad :( I hope he finds stability in his life again and i am sure he is a great dad. i feel like him going off on twitter every 10 min can't be good for his mental wellbeing.

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

https://twitter.com/SarahKSilverman/status/830923187479277568

e: There's a comedy goldmine from these people as well. I think there's a shared loathing of this sort of person. Doesn't matter if you voted Hillary, Bernie, Trump...whatever. You hate people like this.

Let's unite as a country and make fun of these idiots together.

https://twitter.com/bradisterrific/status/830652676765532165

https://twitter.com/JohnLockesKnife/status/830647541192605697

https://twitter.com/crushingbort/status/830872979504513024

https://twitter.com/YeaYouRite/status/830634973501747200

https://twitter.com/MrDuckstep/status/830865937427525633

(This isn't a political piss fight. i don't care who these people voted for, I just like making fun of them. If someone has Bernie supporters acting the same way, in the same position? By all means post them and let's laugh together. )

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Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

FuzzySkinner posted:

https://twitter.com/SarahKSilverman/status/830923187479277568

e: There's a comedy goldmine from these people as well. I think there's a shared loathing of this sort of person. Doesn't matter if you voted Hillary, Bernie, Trump...whatever. You hate people like this.

Let's unite as a country and make fun of these idiots together.

https://twitter.com/bradisterrific/status/830652676765532165

https://twitter.com/JohnLockesKnife/status/830647541192605697

https://twitter.com/crushingbort/status/830872979504513024

https://twitter.com/YeaYouRite/status/830634973501747200

https://twitter.com/MrDuckstep/status/830865937427525633

(This isn't a political piss fight. i don't care who these people voted for, I just like making fun of them. If someone has Bernie supporters acting the same way, in the same position? By all means post them and let's laugh together. )

these people are fools and why i hate IDpol dumbasses. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAbOlNemzFA&feature=share
though i dont care for tulsi because she likes assad. i get her reasoning, but gently caress that dickfuck monster.

https://twitter.com/radicalbytes/status/830956215618244609
https://twitter.com/radicalbytes/status/830957921613721600
lol.

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FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjGEHIkZ7ss&t=25s

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

the only nod that AVGN gave to the fact that the new ghostbusters was all-women was him showing dismay that a crappy remake of a movie would be called "female ghostbusters." modern hollywood remakes are universally crap

also, tulsi gabbard sucks but not because she supported bernie. she supports Modi hardcore

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
Tulsi Gabbard literally wants to build a throne out of the skulls of Muslims.

Kraps
Sep 9, 2011

This avatar was paid for by the Silent Majority.
even weird surreal "art" is not having any of the woke twitter bs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxlExtAkVSk

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

Kraps posted:

even weird surreal "art" is not having any of the woke twitter bs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxlExtAkVSk
and here i was thinking that art would continue to be lovely under trump

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

Dapper_Swindler posted:

these people are fools and why i hate IDpol dumbasses. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAbOlNemzFA&feature=share
though i dont care for tulsi because she likes assad. i get her reasoning, but gently caress that dickfuck monster.

https://twitter.com/radicalbytes/status/830956215618244609
https://twitter.com/radicalbytes/status/830957921613721600
lol.

I think what bothers me is that the people that say this stuff often (ironically) seem to come from a place of privilege. To see someone who is so white they look like they should be in a propaganda poster for the third reich ranting about "White Supremecy", while enjoying the ability to make money as a result of their own privilege (be it race, be it the class that they came from) kinda speaks to their idiocy.

I've had feminist/social justice friendly professors for example, that taught me a lot. It was never from a place of being condescending and they were very open to people asking questions about for example "Why the Cleveland Indians logo is racist". They never held a weird grudge against someone, and were able to explain it in a way that was more encouraging.

It's more so a personal anecdote, but I appreciate them for introducing me to perspectives I'd have never considered otherwise. I'm sure that there are also goons here or other peeps that would educate people on various topics if someone genuinely wanted to engage in a discussion about it.

I don't think it's so much that Id. Pol is the problem, as is this the sort of people that have hopped on the bandwagon to try to champion it's cause.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

who knew that taking concepts outside of an academic space and into the realm of everyday morons would lead to people using it incorrectly?

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

FuzzySkinner posted:

I think what bothers me is that the people that say this stuff often (ironically) seem to come from a place of privilege. To see someone who is so white they look like they should be in a propaganda poster for the third reich ranting about "White Supremecy", while enjoying the ability to make money as a result of their own privilege (be it race, be it the class that they came from) kinda speaks to their idiocy.

I've had feminist/social justice friendly professors for example, that taught me a lot. It was never from a place of being condescending and they were very open to people asking questions about for example "Why the Cleveland Indians logo is racist". They never held a weird grudge against someone, and were able to explain it in a way that was more encouraging.

It's more so a personal anecdote, but I appreciate them for introducing me to perspectives I'd have never considered otherwise. I'm sure that there are also goons here or other peeps that would educate people on various topics if someone genuinely wanted to engage in a discussion about it.

I don't think it's so much that Id. Pol is the problem, as is this the sort of people that have hopped on the bandwagon to try to champion it's cause.

yeah. pretty much. most of these peoples tactics and cadence remind me of the moral puritans of the evangelical right if they learned how to co-opt academic terminology.

DoctorGonzo
Jul 25, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Kraps posted:

even weird surreal "art" is not having any of the woke twitter bs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxlExtAkVSk

what does she means by this?

Kraps
Sep 9, 2011

This avatar was paid for by the Silent Majority.

DoctorGonzo posted:

what does she means by this?

yelling at people on twitter is not doing anything, if politicians bother you do something about it



There's going through a divorce, then there's whatever being broken by the 2016 election will be called in the DSM https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dr-gridlock/wp/2017/02/12/a-united-pilot-ranted-about-trump-clinton-and-divorce-her-passengers-fled/

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

I don't understand how you can still be mad at jocks 20 years later.

Similarly, the effort to convince people "toxic" masculinity is bad seems greater than the effort of going to the gym so you can benefit from it rather than whine.

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Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Frosted Flake posted:

I don't understand how you can still be mad at jocks 20 years later.

Similarly, the effort to convince people "toxic" masculinity is bad seems greater than the effort of going to the gym so you can benefit from it rather than whine.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

ow I dropped my phone it got really hot for a second there

oh must've been this take

DoctorGonzo
Jul 25, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Sweden feminists mocking Trump and in Iran:

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
if they are so feminist, why are they wearing clothes either????????????? check mate, cucked feminazis

DoctorGonzo
Jul 25, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Al! posted:

cucked feminazis

THATS NOT VERY NICE!

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

Al! posted:

if they are so feminist, why are they wearing clothes either????????????? check mate, cucked feminazis

I do have a question about that.

Why am I seeing some feminists wear hijabs recently as an act of defiance? I'm not asking this from a place of being a condescending "FEMINAZIIS AMI RIGHT?", but rather I'm sincerely confused.

Is it a show of solidarity with immigrants and others?

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

FuzzySkinner posted:

I do have a question about that.

Why am I seeing some feminists wear hijabs recently as an act of defiance? I'm not asking this from a place of being a condescending "FEMINAZIIS AMI RIGHT?", but rather I'm sincerely confused.

Is it a show of solidarity with immigrants and others?

im sure its primarily to show solidarity but i doubt its very many non-muslim women. the hijab has a complicated place in feminism and its not quite as straightforward as wear hijab = bad feminist (as opposed to something like the burka, but im sure cases have been made for even that garment)


that said, im sure there's enough affluent white women on twitter and facebook doing it just for appearances to harvest some hot takes from

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
long story short, he'res the new yorker's hot take on the issue

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

i miss when "hot takes" were called "bad opinions"

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

Al! posted:

im sure its primarily to show solidarity but i doubt its very many non-muslim women. the hijab has a complicated place in feminism and its not quite as straightforward as wear hijab = bad feminist (as opposed to something like the burka, but im sure cases have been made for even that garment)


that said, im sure there's enough affluent white women on twitter and facebook doing it just for appearances to harvest some hot takes from

Bolded part? Yeah I'm getting that vibe for the latter as well.

I recall learning some interesting defense of Iran and how women are treated within their state from a feminist professor I had. Something to the effect of as a society, they felt things were fine, and kinda preferred it to the western version of feminism. (I believe they're not allowed to play sports in front of men, was one of the things..if I am incorrect? I apologize. My memory is fuzzy.).

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Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

get that OUT of my face posted:

i miss when "hot takes" were called "bad opinions"

the thing that makes them hot takes is that on some level they're true

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